Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Kumorii]

except it's not, every single piece of access media trash has put out articles attacking EVERYBODY, and calls anyone with any criticism regardless of what that criticism is racists, for example a recent review i saw was criticising the costumes, according to these tat publications who's only interest is sucking on the Amazon phallus until such a time as it's no longer profitable to do so, that person who left that negative review is racist for not liking the show, and when i say EVERBODY is being attacked and labelled racist, i mean EVERBODY, so tell me again how it's only racist people disliking this steaming pile of weapons grade bullshit again.

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except you're wrong, and they are labelling anybody who criticises this show racist regardless of what criticism they levy at this amateur hour project, so like i have said to Dhrizzle, tell me more about how someone criticising the costumes of the show is being racist, because i would love to know what sort of fucked up logic process you have to jump through to come to that warped fucking conclusion.

They are racists because they say they are racists...
It's easy to deflect with "only the racists" when you are the arbiter of deciding who is one and who isn't...in this case, anyone who doesn't agree, regardless of reasons.


Case in point, post above.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

tell me more about how someone criticising the costumes of the show is being racist,

This Would depend interiorly on the actual criticism given about the costumes, people could easily be singling out the minority actors and saying they don’t fit In X costume even though it’s in line with all the others or just Simple make racist remarks about the costuming.

Without actual examples of said criticism and those calling out said criticism there is no way to know.

[Veggie50]

except it's not, every single piece of access media trash has put out articles attacking EVERYBODY, and calls anyone with any criticism regardless of what that criticism is racists, for example a recent review i saw was criticising the costumes, according to these tat publications who's only interest is sucking on the Amazon phallus until such a time as it's no longer profitable to do so, that person who left that negative review is racist for not liking the show, and when i say EVERBODY is being attacked and labelled racist, i mean EVERBODY, so tell me again how it's only racist people disliking this steaming pile of weapons grade bullshit again.

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except you're wrong, and they are labelling anybody who criticises this show racist regardless of what criticism they levy at this amateur hour project, so like i have said to Dhrizzle, tell me more about how someone criticising the costumes of the show is being racist, because i would love to know what sort of fucked up logic process you have to jump through to come to that warped fucking conclusion.

I don't think you'll find too much disagreement that trash media has trash articles. Of course it's ridiculous to say all criticism of the show is due to racism, it's not a PERFECT show, nothing is.

Do I believe a lot of criticism is due to a dislike of the race in casting choices, and a counter woke movement that has little to do with the show itself? Yea... And I've debated many on the forum here who argue that arondirs skin colour is ridiculous for the setting of the show.

But there is plenty to criticise (rightfully or not) about story, costumes, character development, etc. Those are generally the more interesting things to discuss anyway ^^

[StillMcfuu]

When Gal jumped ship I kinda chuckled amusingly. In the beginning of the serie there is that classic map on parchment (to give so layout of places for those who may not know).
The striped line animated to represent the high elves travel to Middle Earth is humongously far in that representation.

Yet... she strech her limbs and swim for a short while and woopsie daisy here comes a suitable shipwreck. And we have yet to see when she use the sea wyrm as mount to get back for real. I dont care about it but I immediately knew some far fetched explanation is incoming. Dont remember that from the any books but was like 25y ago I read all but the main works.

Valinor isn't actually on Arda after the first age. Tolkien explains it in one of his letters that going to Valinor would be like (my words) leaving California and going straight winding up outside the atmosphere. If humans tried to go to Valinor they would just find the other side of middle earth or whatever the eastern continent.

[Myradin]

Yes, have to add that to the list of expert marksmen, magicians, smiths etc.
It's odd though, wonder what athletics dwarves shine in. Midget-Sumo wrestling perhaps or is that taken by haflings *ponder*

Smashing rocks, clearly.

[downnola]

except it's not, every single piece of access media trash has put out articles attacking EVERYBODY, and calls anyone with any criticism regardless of what that criticism is racists, for example a recent review i saw was criticising the costumes, according to these tat publications who's only interest is sucking on the Amazon phallus until such a time as it's no longer profitable to do so, that person who left that negative review is racist for not liking the show, and when i say EVERBODY is being attacked and labelled racist, i mean EVERBODY, so tell me again how it's only racist people disliking this steaming pile of weapons grade bullshit again.

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except you're wrong, and they are labelling anybody who criticises this show racist regardless of what criticism they levy at this amateur hour project, so like i have said to Dhrizzle, tell me more about how someone criticising the costumes of the show is being racist, because i would love to know what sort of fucked up logic process you have to jump through to come to that warped fucking conclusion.

I'll never understand how people allow themselves to get this mad over a TV show, let alone take offense when people are pointing out the crystal-clear racist temper tantrums all over the internet over this show. We're talking about people wigging the fuck out over the casting choices for a show based IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE.



It's not real life. It doesn't have to be 100% absolutely faithful to every single word in the lore. You people seriously need to go outside, get some fresh air, and take a break from the internet. Goddamn.

[Veggie50]

Smashing rocks, clearly.

Don't forget competitive drinking.

[Dellis0991]

Yeah no one believe an immortal Maiar is around anymore, just Galadriel.

And even when She brings conclusive proof, they still discart the idea, or say "if she find him it can create problems" or whatever, its just bad writing, and, its Gil'galad that informs Sauron is back, not her.


Im not rly underestimating then, im treating then what its supposed to be, an elite squad to fight Sauron for hundreds of years

7 average elf and Galadriel should be able to deal with the troll without getting their asses kicked

This all come down to bad writing, if they suck so much, just make her go with 3 or 2, if they want to show her power, separate the group and make her solo the troll, like she did without making everyone looking like hobbits.




If those elves are the elite, they would never win the ar of wrath and banish Morgoth, this is absurd

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I mean, you find something "right" here and there, but a lot of shit is changed, some that don't make any sense, bad writing, bad dialogue, everything filled with pseudo intelligent speeches trying to be epic and complex. A lot of stuff trying to pull from the movies to bring nostalgia.

Cgi, scenarios and music is good, though it seems they force the music where it should not be.

I think this stuff is like fast and furious and transformers, pure garbage, but entertaining to some, especially for the people who don't know about the story or are just trying to take a day off and shut down the brain and watch some fantasy stuff.

Damn that's disappointing as hell.

[Dhrizzle]

except it's not, every single piece of access media trash has put out articles attacking EVERYBODY, and calls anyone with any criticism regardless of what that criticism is racists, for example a recent review i saw was criticising the costumes, according to these tat publications who's only interest is sucking on the Amazon phallus until such a time as it's no longer profitable to do so, that person who left that negative review is racist for not liking the show, and when i say EVERBODY is being attacked and labelled racist, i mean EVERBODY, so tell me again how it's only racist people disliking this steaming pile of weapons grade bullshit again.

Citation very much needed.

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Valinor isn't actually on Arda after the first age. Tolkien explains it in one of his letters that going to Valinor would be like (my words) leaving California and going straight winding up outside the atmosphere. If humans tried to go to Valinor they would just find the other side of middle earth or whatever the eastern continent.

It was midway through the Second Age the world was changed after the Numenorean fleet tried to invade Aman, though Tolkien intended to rewrite this so Arda was always a round world.

[Triceron]

To me, what they showed conveyed that this was her party for years, if not centuries of hunting. They just chose to show the very breaking point.

Yea her men didn't do much, but they were clearly exhausted. They might have killed dozens of trolls on their journey before. With all the storytelling they want to do, this clearly just wasn't where they wanted to spend the time.

That's the crux pf my criticism. Too much implied, nothing shown, and their focus was placed far too much on Galadriel getting things done herself.

Who finds the unfindable fortress? Who finds the way into the fortress? Who finds the hidden symbol in the table? Who dispatches the snow troll? I get that she is the main character so the focus would be on her, but they could have easily made it so her team actually helps in doing something. Even if fatigued there is plenty they could still do. Even something as simple as moral support would suffice, but her relationship with then is shown to be less-than-friendly the entire time, and they challenge her motives every chance they get and urge her to go home. Yes, the team os stressed, but that doesn't come across if they don't first establish their relationship as being a good and strong one that happened to be strained over time. For it to be merely implied is not a good way to start the show off. It doesn't come across as them having a good relationship at all, it comes off as them being far inferior to her skills, and frankly they have not been shown to be useful at all.

Their lack of spending the time to properly establish her allies and them permanently removing them from the series by the end of the episode makes them completely pointless and counter-intiuitive to her story.

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They literally do that in the second episode.

Eh, the writing was terrible to put her in the situation in the first place.

It's multiple layers of nonsense where the most realistic outcome would have been drowning from fatigue. I don't think this is a good example at all.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Eh, the writing was terrible to put her in the situation in the first place.

It's multiple layers of nonsense where the most realistic outcome would have been drowning from fatigue. I don't think this is a good example at all.

Sure you can not like the scenario but that doesn’t make the message that she can’t do it alone any less blatant.

[Triceron]

Sure you can not like the scenario but that doesn’t make the message that she can’t do it alone any less blatant.

If they could show that one dude on the raft being useful, why not establish something similar in the first episode to give her company some worth? They don't even have to be saving her life, just any tangible support to show she can't hoof it alone would make sense. Sorry, but holding a torch doesn't cut it.

I can even ask you directly what they actually did to support her, and you'd have to stretch things pretty thin to explain what use they actually have. Everything is implied, and that's just poor writing if we're talking about establishing characters in a visual medium.

Like I said, take notes from other series that actually do it right. Because this is clearly not the way to do it right.

Fellowship of the Ring Moria scene was done right. Everyone struggled with the Troll, and it took a team effort to take it down. And the Troll wasn't the only obstacle, with everyone being given a moment to shine. Even Sam makes use of his pans to dispatch a couple goblins.

[Kumorii]

If they could show that one dude on the raft being useful, why not establish something similar in the first episode to give her company some worth? They don't even have to be saving her life, just any tangible support to show she can't hoof it alone would make sense. Sorry, but holding a torch doesn't cut it.

I can even ask you directly what they actually did to support her, and you'd have to stretch things pretty thin to explain what use they actually have. Everything is implied, and that's just poor writing if we're talking about establishing characters in a visual medium.

Like I said, take notes from other series that actually do it right. Because this is clearly not the way to do it right.

They missed a chance in establishing something of the sort during the climb.
Have the team help each other. But instead that was mostly to show how little she cared of her own team.

Ice climbing is a perfect activity for trust, support and teamwork.

[Triceron]

They missed a chance in establishing something of the sort during the climb.
Have the team help each other. But instead that was mostly to show how little she cared of her own team.

Ice climbing is a perfect activity for trust, support and teamwork.

That would have been a perfect place for that!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If they could show that one dude on the raft being useful, why not establish something similar in the first episode to give her company some worth?

Because her squad isn’t there to show she can’t do it alone they are there to show that she’s gone to far in her quest and that no one trust her judgment at that point.

They exist for a completely different narrative reason then raft man just like how Boromir doesn’t resist all temptation and support Frodo to the end of his quest like Sam does.

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They missed a chance in establishing something of the sort during the climb.
Have the team help each other. But instead that was mostly to show how little she cared of her own team.

Ice climbing is a perfect activity for trust, support and teamwork.

They do have the team help each other two elfs help up her second before the camera pans to her going up further alone creating an obvious divide between her and the rest of her squad.

[Triceron]

Because her squad isn’t there to show she can’t do it alone they are there to show that she’s gone to far in her quest and that no one trust her judgment at that point.

They exist for a completely different narrative reason then raft man just like how Boromir doesn’t resist all temptation and support Frodo to the end of his quest like Sam does.

Yes, thank you. That has been my point. We can agree that they didn't introduce these characters to show support. They are not there to show she can't do it alone. And for them to be introduced in that position makes them pointless to her story, because 'showing she's gone too far' can also be achieved by showing her hunt down Sauron alone, just as we see her at the end of the episode.

The company was absolutely pointless to her story. Whether they were there or not, she was still going to go hunt Sauron on her own. All other dialogue could have been done through her reflecting on flashback scenes. Mandalorian did this well, showing more and more of Din's past as he slips into memories when he falls asleep or gets rocked. Even some of the best parts of Book of Boba Fett were flashbacks.

The show didn't even need to introduce her leading a company and ending up on a boat to Valinor to establish this, they were already implied with her literally trekking into the north to find Sauron. In context of what we've seen of her party, it would have made zero difference if the other Elves were with her or not. They were only ever shown holding her back. They were as useful to her as the survivors on the raft sans Dude who Saved Her. Like, it could have literally been an empty raft and nothing would have been different other than the one scene where lightning conveniently strikes her pole and has her drowning just so dude-who-doesn't-care could save her

[Dhrizzle]

@Triceron if you're lucky they might make a prequel series that goes into all the details you might desire about the Elves who accompany Galadriel to the North, but for this series it isn't necessary at all.

[Kumorii]

They do have the team help each other two elfs help up her second before the camera pans to her going up further alone creating an obvious divide between her and the rest of her squad.

Which enhances the point that she doesn't need her team...
Reason why I brought this scene up is because it would be perfect to actually establish some form of relationship between the two that would show they actually do need each other. But instead the scene shows the opposite, as you even seem to agree on.

Not even sure what your argument is.

[Dhrizzle]

Yes, thank you. That has been my point. We can agree that they didn't introduce these characters to show support. They are not there to show she can't do it alone. And for them to be introduced in that position makes them pointless to her story, because 'showing she's gone too far' can also be achieved by showing her hunt down Sauron alone, just as we see her at the end of the episode.

The company was absolutely pointless to her story. Whether they were there or not, she was still going to go hunt Sauron on her own. All other dialogue could have been done through her reflecting on flashback scenes. Mandalorian did this well, showing more and more of Din's past as he slips into memories when he falls asleep or gets rocked.

The show didn't even need to introduce her leading a company and ending up on a boat to Valinor to establish this, they were already implied with her literally trekking into the north to find Sauron. In context of what we've seen of her party, it would have made zero difference if the other Elves were with her or not. They were only ever shown holding her back. They were as useful to her as the survivors on the raft sans Dude who Saved Her. Like, it could have literally been an empty raft and nothing would have been different other than the one scene where lightning conveniently strikes her pole and has her drowning just so dude-who-doesn't-care could save her

Did you miss the part where she returned to Lindon with the other Elves because she couldn't continue the hunt alone?

[Triceron]

Did you miss the part where she returned to Lindon with the other Elves because she couldn't continue the hunt alone?

Her motives contradict her actions. She returned to Lindon, but we don't even really know why or for what reason. Look at the scene where she gets the ultimatum from her company, she doesn't go back willingly. This may imply that she can't do it alone, but she literally explains to Elrond that she's determined to go back alone. My argument that her decision to return does not make sense based on what we've seen established in her journey. She goes back, but there is nothing that implies she had to because she needed support of her troops, because the show failed to establish that connection. It's actually left completely ambiguous, and only implies she has to go back because of the other Elves. But there are other factors as well, like her seeking Elrond to have an audience with the King to show him Sauron's mark.

And what exactly did her returning to Lindon actually serve to make her decide she will go it alone, and not when she's already in the North?

Well, the writers needed her to have some dialogue with Elrond and set up to place her in the middle of the ocean, is what. These events are all written to have her placed in a situation that takes her to Numenor.