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[Dhrizzle]

The scenes shows she never needed the group to begin with and they were only slowing her down.

Her returning because she can't carry on alone is the conflict of what's shown and what's being told.
Hence people complaint about the scenes. Because they are bad and at odds which each others narrative.

So in any group if one member is stronger than the others the rest are completely useless?

[Kumorii]

So in any group if one member is stronger than the others the rest are completely useless?

Never said that.
I said the group is useless because the scenes show them to be useless and detrimental to her own ability. They do nothing and slow her down. That's what makes them useless.

I've said multiple times. The ice climbing scene would be great place to show she needed them. They could help her in some way.

Hell, just having them make camp and talk about how they've helped each other during all these years of travel would establish that they needed each other more than the show currently does.

[rhorle]

Because it has the consequence of making her entire company pointless.

How so? Was the entire army of Gondor pointless because Aragorn was more powerful then them? You are choosing to let your hatred blind you. Her company wasn't pointless they were fighting a troll that "surprised" them much the same way Galadrial was about to surprise the troll when its focus was on another member of her company. She also used another member to help with her surprise attack.

They aren't meant to get much character development because they are not individual important to the story. At least not as has currently been shown. Your argument is essentially that the 300 soldiers from the movie "300" are pointless because the "star" of the story is given more development, screen time, and abilities beyond their own. Yet they are still important to the story that was told.

[Triceron]

So in any group if one member is stronger than the others the rest are completely useless?

It has nothing to do with whether one is stronger than the others. It's with the fact that there's literally nothing indicating they were of any use.

The entire idea that she needs them to progress in her journey is only assumed because they're there. Otherwise the show has done all it can do to show the audience how they're not even needed, and how she's been able to tackle all obstacles in her way as if they weren't there to begin with. Which then makes no sense why she decides to go back with them, if not for the sake of literally baby sitting them all the way back home. That's literally how the show depicts her relationship with her company. That she's there literally supporting them, and not the other way around.

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How so? Was the entire army of Gondor pointless because Aragorn was more powerful then them?

If the entire army of Gondor was only ever shown to fail and never managed to amount to anything useful, then yes I could argue that they would be entirely pointless.

Understand?

The difference in comparison is that we actually DO see the army of Gondor being useful, and having purpose. Peter Jackson shows many scenes where they are HIGHLY capable fighters and spies. So what you have here is a very bad comparison.

Show me one scene where the Elves in her company are actually useful in supporting Galadriel in a way she would depend on their help to proceed.

[rhorle]

It wasn't a distraction. Neither intentional or not. She wasn't even there when it happened... You are just imagining things to defend silly scenes.
Funny how that works with blind love.

The troll wasn't even looking in her direction when she first attacked. Why do you think that was? It was distracted because it was attacking the other members of the company. I am not imagining anything at all and it is easily proven if you go back and watch that scene. So go on and accept that you have lost this argument or continue to play the fool.

This reddit post has the scene that clearly shows the troll focusing on the elf it just threw to the ground and is getting ready to stomp to death. I'm not blindly in love. I'm just standing up to a person hating for the sole reason of hating. There are plenty of things to complain about with out the need of inventing things.

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If the entire army of Gondor was only ever shown to fail and never managed to amount to anything useful, then yes I could argue that they would be entirely pointless.

Lmao. Did you watch the movies or read the books? Their entire story is that they were failing until their King returned.

[Dhrizzle]

It has nothing to do with whether one is stronger than the others. It's with the fact that there's literally nothing indicating they were of any use.

The entire idea that she needs them to progress in her journey is only assumed because they're there. Otherwise the show has done all it can do to show the audience how they're not even needed, and how she's been able to tackle all obstacles in her way as if they weren't there to begin with. Which then makes no sense why she decides to go back with them, if not for the sake of literally baby sitting them all the way back home. That's literally how the show depicts her relationship with her company. That she's there literally supporting them, and not the other way around.

Yeah, it's a safe assumption to make. The alternative is the dumbest possibility that Galadriel took them along just to slow her down, and returned to Lindon to get more people to slow her down. If that is what you want to assume about the scene then discussion is pointless.

[Triceron]

Your argument is essentially that the 300 soldiers from the movie "300" are pointless because the "star" of the story is given more development, screen time, and abilities beyond their own. Yet they are still important to the story that was told.

No, again incomparable because the soldiers of 300 ARE SHOWN TO BE USEFUL.

Where can you point me to any scene in the first 20 minutes where the Elves in her company actually do anything useful?

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Yeah, it's a safe assumption to make. The alternative is the dumbest possibility that Galadriel took them along just to slow her down, and returned to Lindon to get more people to slow her down. If that is what you want to assume about the scene then discussion is pointless.

It's not even an assumption, it's literally what the show depicts. And I'm literally criticizing what the show depicts. And for you to say it's dumb is the entire point I'm making. The show's depiction of her company even being there is dumb, and in turn makes her decision to turn back even more dumb. Again, nothing to actually assume here, because that's actually how the show establishes these characters in this situation.

Again, if you want to make a point that they are actually useful to her, feel free to point out all the scenes that actually establish how useful they are to her in the first 20 minute opening. Please do.

[Syegfryed]

Do you agree with Syegfryed that exhausted Elves being battered by a troll shows they are all useless dumbasses, and that Galadriel returning to Lindon for reinforcements shows that she could have carried on the hunt successfully alone?

Why they are exhausted and Galadriel is not?

If they are exhausted and she is not they are a burden, not a help

What the fuck did they do in the show to deem they useful in any way, shape or form?

You can't even come up with an idea to explain this nonsense, you are just deflecting

[rhorle]

No, again incomparable because the soldiers of 300 ARE SHOWN TO BE USEFUL. Where can you point me to any scene in the first 20 minutes where the Elves in her company actually do anything useful?

They clearly helped her battle the ice troll as one gave her the "springboard" for her jump. We didn't see them, or her, to much at all other then travel in the first 20 minutes. You are letting your hate and bias creating a mountain out of a mole hill. Could there have been more fighting? Sure but that would also ruin the theme that they are way past the point of needing to fight anything.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You imply it by saying they could do that but it would miss the point of the episode.

nope not even slightly.

and punch the idea that Gil-Galad and her company are the ones chasing a reflection while she is delving into the darkness to gain the wisdom to find the true light.

the point of the metaphor isn’t to delve into the darkness to find wisdom, it’s that you may have to touch the sea to know that it isn’t the sky not jump into the sea and start swimming down.

[rhorle]

Why they are exhausted and Galadriel is not?

Have you never traveled in a group before in real life? Do you really think that everyone is supposed to mantain the same exact amounts of dedicate, energy, and excitement for the current activity? The only one deflecting her is yourself with silly ideas because there is nothing but those silly hate-biased ideas to make an argument.

[Triceron]

Lmao. Did you watch the movies or read the books? Their entire story is that they were failing until their King returned.

Failing =/= useless.

That you don't understand the difference shows why you don't even understand what the conversation is about.

[Syegfryed]

Ah so, the elite squad that went with Galadriel to find Sauron was not useless because they serve as bait, they are distraction

what a fucking joke

[rhorle]

Failing =/= useless.

If the entire army of Gondor was only ever shown to fail and never managed to amount to anything useful, then yes I could argue that they would be entirely pointless.

You contradict your own statement. Oh I am in full understanding of what this conversation is about. Hatred. It doesn't matter if a statement you make is proven to not carry over to another situation because you don't really care. You say anything you can think of to justify your hatred then move on to the next thing including things like "You can't understand". You are using basic and text book arguments.

[Triceron]

nope not even slightly.

the point of the metaphor isn’t to delve into the darkness to find wisdom, it’s that you may have to touch the sea to know that it isn’t the sky not jump into the sea and start swimming down.

Then it's a terrible metaphor to take literally and still a result of bad writing.

If you're not saying the point couldn't be made any other way, then there's really nothing else for you to defend here.

I'm not going to recognize the ship jumping and your explanation of the sea-touching metaphor as being purposeful or necessary to the overall narrative. As I said, I think it was poorly executed and counter-intuitive. I don't think telling me that it's the purpose of the episode changes anything here. I'm pretty clear that I disagree with the way her arc in this episode was handled.

[Dhrizzle]

lCOLOR]It's not even an assumption, it's literally what the show depicts. And I'm literally criticizing what the show depicts.

Again, if you want to make a point that they are actually useful to her, feel free to point out all the scenes that actually establish how useful they are to her in the first 20 minute opening. Please do.

There isn't any because as you pointed out this is the first 20 minutes of the entire series. It shows the Elves being exhausted and reaching a point where they will no longer follow Galadriel. We don't need to see earlier scenes where they are more helpful because most people won't make the dumbest possible assumption that Galadriel only takes followers along to make life harder.

[bledgor]

Have you never traveled in a group before in real life? Do you really think that everyone is supposed to mantain the same exact amounts of dedicate, energy, and excitement for the current activity? The only one deflecting her is yourself with silly ideas because there is nothing but those silly hate-biased ideas to make an argument.

I mean we know that Galadriel can apparently swim the equivalent of the Atlantic so by EVERYTHING SHOWN her troops are useless, she may say otherwise, or imply, but what we are actually shown proves her Troops are not only useless, but holding Galadriel back and now she will be free to 1v anything.

That is a primary problem of the show, it shows fuck all and implies/tells a lot. The only thing we are shown basically is that Galadriel is a the greatest warrior with unlimited stamina (oh and she is a terrible leader that hardly gives a single fuck about her troops, some commander of the northern armies).

For anyone that wants to defend it by saying she needs an arc to be a good leader, I repeat SHE IS THE COMMANDER OF THE NORTHERN ARMIES ALREADY (AS WELL AS BEING THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD), you can't say she is one of the highest ranking military leaders and yet have her display 0 abilities to lead or care in the slightest for her troops. I repeat this arc would have been better/fitting for Elrond as he is both younger and less experienced, but for Galadriel especially how they set her up, it is fucking terrible.

There isn't any because as you pointed out this is the first 20 minutes of the entire series. It shows the Elves being exhausted and reaching a point where they will no longer follow Galadriel. We don't need to see earlier scenes where they are more helpful because most people won't make the dumbest possible assumption that Galadriel only takes followers along to make life harder.

Or maybe we might think since we are SHOWN that Gil-Galad is trying to sabotage/stop Galadriel from finding Sauron they were sent to her to stop her/slow her chase, so that she finds nothing and is forced back. That is a x100 more reasonable explanation than her taking the troops because she cares or needs them, as it is actually has proof shown in the show.

[Syegfryed]

Have you never traveled in a group before in real life? Do you really think that everyone is supposed to mantain the same exact amounts of dedicate, energy, and excitement for the current activity? The only one deflecting her is yourself with silly ideas because there is nothing but those silly hate-biased ideas to make an argument.

With the small amount of posts of yours i can already see how love-biased you are with the show, you deflected all questioning with red-hearing

Like you nonsensical argument about "gondor is useless without Aragorn"

Just face, the scene is dumb and poorly written, the showrunenrs are amateurs using so much basic tv troops they contradict themselves

Those are supposed to be an elite squad of trained elves, not some random fucker who is travelling with her.

[Kumorii]

The troll wasn't even looking in her direction when she first attacked. Why do you think that was? It was distracted because it was attacking the other members of the company. I am not imagining anything at all and it is easily proven if you go back and watch that scene. So go on and accept that you have lost this argument or continue to play the fool.

This reddit post has the scene that clearly shows the troll focusing on the elf it just threw to the ground and is getting ready to stomp to death. I'm not blindly in love. I'm just standing up to a person hating for the sole reason of hating. There are plenty of things to complain about with out the need of inventing things.

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Lmao. Did you watch the movies or read the books? Their entire story is that they were failing until their King returned.

Because the troll was whooping some elf and she came to rescue them. Showing them to be detrimental... Again.

They attract a troll and then have to be saved.
Sure you can see that as them being USEFUL as a distraction. Which is odd as hell. Most would see and think they arent useful when they attracted it in the first place.

Aren't i useful. I lured this troll here, but then I got smashed so you had to save me. I was a distraction though. Useful af.

Blind love. But yeah, the way you argue is very condescending and disrespectful. But that's blind love for you. So kinda cba continue with you. I accept your loss though.

[rhorle]

I mean we know that Galadriel can apparently swim the equivalent of the Atlantic so by EVERYTHING SHOWN her troops are useless, she may say otherwise, or imply, but what we are actually shown proves her Troops are not only useless, but holding Galadriel back and now she will be free to 1v anything.

Troops that kept up with her every step of the way? You are yet again another person that is looking through the lens of hatred then coming up with any justification to prop up that hatred.

For anyone that wants to defend it by saying she needs an arc to be a good leader, I repeat SHE IS THE COMMANDER OF THE NORTHERN ARMIES ALREADY (AS WELL AS BEING THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD), you can't say she is one of the highest ranking military leaders and yet have her display 0 abilities to lead or care in the slightest for her troops.

So she can't display abilities beyond her troops but she is also supposed to have abilities beyond her own troops because of her position? Do you not see the inherent contradiction in your statement? How you are just using any argument you can think of in the moment to justify your hate even if it contradicts arguments you just made. Lmao.