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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    ... But she ends up being the right one.
    Um ya we know that from our meta view but the people in the setting dont.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    I just remember that one scene in episode 2 where she is dragged to the bottom of the ocean by a piece of wood, like it was an iron anchor, when wood is supposed to float.

    Even if she did go down, it was in an absurd speed, it was that when i stop the second one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Pretty sure the orcs complain about not taking day shift so it's likely they are working the slaves around the clock or in shifts.
    Whcih would still be dumb, as everyone else would see it, since elves can see far away

    oh wait, they don't, all those elves captured because didn't saw it, like come on, everything work so aligned so the things happens in the way they are supposed to, its railroad as it finest.
    They shown black and Asian southlanders in the trailer about them, so unless there is another one I missed so it's only the orcs.
    Too bad no one in the village the girl who have the hots for the elf is black, at least i didn't find then
    There are no thousands of years with the mark or exploring every corner of the world we see Her find the mark at the start of the show and then get told it's nothing leading to her being put on the boat.
    And she is supposed to be searching for hundreds of years the meaning of this mark, and they say in the show they went to every corner of the world, and even then, she had hundreds of years to the see mark sideways to find its meaning, and she didn't, this is awful writing.

    Like, why in the fucking ass would sauron mark an enemy with something that would lead to him



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    Is this like a friend's home bar, or an actual drinking establishment? If the latter, I need to find one of those where I can go and watch/discuss stuff like this lol
    It is a drinking establishment, we go there to play dnd, watch stuff or work, pretty chill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    I just remember that one scene in episode 2 where she is dragged to the bottom of the ocean by a piece of wood, like it was an iron anchor, when wood is supposed to float.

    Even if she did go down, it was in an absurd speed, it was that when i stop the second one.
    Well technically not all wood floats but if you build a boat, its kinda useful to use the floating kind. I agree that was a really awkward scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Well technically not all wood floats but if you make a boat, its kinda useful to use the floating kind. I agree that was a really awkward scene.
    My problem was not even that "all wood is supposed to float" i know some don't, but mostly, its does, my problem is how you get a big piece of timber, and she is dragged like it was a whole anchor.

    See, its those little bits that you can ignore, you know its supposed o create an scene of conflict with not-sauron and her, but it does feel bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    My problem was not even that "all wood is supposed to float" i know some don't, but mostly, its does, my problem is how you get a big piece of timber, and she is dragged like it was a whole anchor.
    Presumably because you're talking out of your ass:



    It's not just a big piece of timber. It was presumably a coil of that thick rope she was trying to use to secure herself to the raft earlier... Hence why she was tied to it when the whole thing was thrown into the water.

    But I agree. It probably does feel bad to be actively looking for every little thing to nitpick over. To the point where you're just making shit up when you can't think of anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Presumably because you're talking out of your ass:



    It's not just a big piece of timber. It was presumably a coil of that thick rope she was trying to use to secure herself to the raft earlier... Hence why she was tied to it when the whole thing was thrown into the water.

    But I agree. It probably does feel bad to be actively looking for every little thing to nitpick over. To the point where you're just making shit up when you can't think of anything else.
    If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it
    https://www.piecesofship.com/pageShi...ckPulleys.html

    The weight of block pulley can vary. One on the page I linked to is 74 lbs. It is possible they could way more. Without doing a myth busters level of scientific inquiry into buoyancy and stuff it seems plausible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it
    ...lol

    Even if she was strong enough to swim against being pulled down by a big chunk of wood/metal/rope, it wouldn't much matter if she was fucking unconscious. Which...you know:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Whcih would still be dumb, as everyone else would see it, since elves can see far away

    oh wait, they don't, all those elves captured because didn't saw it, like come on, everything work so aligned so the things happens in the way they are supposed to, its railroad as it finest.
    or you know they captured the watch post before there trench thing was moved with in its view. It’s even likely they took the post when black elf went to check on his girl friend which is why the other elfs were already there before he was captured exploring a tunnel in a distant town.


    Too bad no one in the village the girl who have the hots for the elf is black, at least i didn't find then
    no but the human girl friends son is notably Asian and given that they are leaving for some where else in the south lands it’s fairly certain that we’ll see the black villagers when ever we see where they went.
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    I'm not watching it, but my brother is. He's comparing it to the WoT series that they did and how they're fucking things up just as much. Much like the WoT series, he's slowly dying inside from how much they're killing literature.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    ...lol

    Even if she was strong enough to swim against being pulled down by a big chunk of wood/metal/rope, it wouldn't much matter if she was fucking unconscious. Which...you know:

    I feel like a mic drop picture needs to be inserted…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    I'm not watching it, but my brother is. He's comparing it to the WoT series that they did and how they're fucking things up just as much. Much like the WoT series, he's slowly dying inside from how much they're killing literature.
    Killing literature? Are they burning any copy’s of the books they can find and shooting modern day authors or something?
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Killing literature? Are they burning any copy’s of the books they can find and shooting modern day authors or something?
    Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

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    "This is not the Lord of the Rings show you are looking for. You can go about your business."
    If we ignore enough of this tripe it may just go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!
    Tolkien's work remains the same regardless of what the show does. It isn't like film butchering book adaptations is anything new so literature would have been six feet under for a long time prior to Rings of Power. This is no different then the Marvel movies being part of their own "universe" that is distinct from the source medium (comics). The comics are not destroyed or invalidated because it isn't a 1:1 copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!
    What is there to even argue? A show isn’t even literature and no one is stopping people from reading there old books Or new authors from making new books.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Tolkien's work remains the same regardless of what the show does. It isn't like film butchering book adaptations is anything new so literature would been six feet under for a long time prior to Rings of Power. This is no different then the Marvel movies being part of their own "universe" that is distinct from the source medium (comics). The comics are not destroyed or invalidated because it isn't a 1:1 copy.
    Tolkien's work is not a multiverse. There is supposed to be only one canonical set of events and characters which primarily are based on what he wrote. This nonsense that we can have 5 different versions of the second age based on 5 different studios 'interpretation' is not what Tolkien wanted. Marvel owns their IP and can do what they want with it. Tolkien is dead and the Tolkien estate is basically farming off part of his story for money. Amazon does not have the rights to tell the "definitive" story of the second age, whether Tolkien fleshed it out or not. Whatever they are doing is not canon and is just a made up story that is not literally part of Tolkien's legendarium. So this show is just that, a billion dollar "what if" fan fiction. Which makes their claims about being ground breaking totally disingenuous and phony. And if that is what the Tolkien estate is allowing then shame on them. None of these made up characters are canon and nobody has to respect them if they do another version of the second age. And nobody has to follow Amazons 'compressed' timeline, nor do they have to respect the made up narrative they have created outside Tolkien.

    What you are basically saying is it is OK for any studio to just throw some crap into the second age and call it Tolkien.......

    Now if you like it and all, then thats fine, but to call this Tolkien as if it is canon, is false. And the reason why so many people are complaining is because Amazon themselves have tried to sell this show as a literal canon version of the second age story when it isn't. At the end of every episode it states clearly that this series is only 'inspired' by Tolkien and that even if the characters have the same names as those from Tolkien, they are not literally based on what Tolkien wrote. But they put that at the very end of the credits in a place most people wont ever see it. Amazon knows it is not canon so as long as we keep it at that then fine. But it is the marketing of trying to have it both ways in pretending that it is canon while in the small print stating it isn't is the problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteCharger View Post
    Tolkien's work is not a multiverse.
    It still is not. There is only one canonical set of events. This isn't even the first adaptation so your statements are a little silly to make. If Marvel can do what they want with their IP then can't the Tolkien Estate do what they want with their IP including selling the rights to a company?

    https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Adaptat...d_of_the_Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    It still is not. There is only one canonical set of events. This isn't even the first adaptation so your statements are a little silly to make. If Marvel can do what they want with their IP then can't the Tolkien Estate do what they want with their IP including selling the rights to a company?

    https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Adaptat...d_of_the_Rings
    Oh they can absolutely do what they want with their IP.

    But the fans don't have to be happy about that do they? Look at the shit show Star Wars had with the sequel trilogy. Only now are they building back some good faith with Mandalorian and some of the shows (and even then the shows are a bit hit and miss)

    I mean the whole reason people are upset about this series is because it's not great. Hell, it's technically not even good by audience aggregate standards. And it's kinda sad because it really should be better than what we're getting. IMO, so far there's much more bad than there is good in the series, and the best way to enjoy it is on a surface level, like watching some CW DC superhero show. Otherwise the writers haven't really built a consistent world that has the richness of depth expected of (a derivative of) Tolkien's work
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteCharger View Post
    Tolkien's work is not a multiverse. There is supposed to be only one canonical set of events and characters which primarily are based on what he wrote.
    The Tolkien multiverse ship kinda already sailed in 1978 with the animated movies which broke the canon and then again with the Jackson movies and again with shadow of Mordor.

    ROP is the 5th different continuity at this point with all Of them being under Tolkien's name/franchise even though he didn’t write them.
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