1. #4861
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    There are no thousands of years with the mark or exploring every corner of the world we see Her find the mark at the start of the show and then get told it's nothing leading to her being put on the boat.
    She saw the mark on her brothers arm first.
    The moment that made her go on the crusade.
    The ruins wasn't the first time seeing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    She saw the mark on her brothers arm first.
    The moment that made her go on the crusade.
    The ruins wasn't the first time seeing it.
    Ah your right, Slight correction then, they weren't looking for the mark in that time it's just something she saw on her brother and it's not until the start of the show do they actively know it's something to look out for/take note of.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  3. #4863
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    It's already nonsensical, so there's no reason to make sense out of any of it really. Literally have to turn my brain off to enjoy this show, otherwise I'd nitpick all sorts of shit.
    I feel like a broken record, but if this is the case, why even bother watching at all? Just so you can complain a little more thoroughly? Its like punishing yourself for no real reason than to hate. Why not watch something that may actually engage your brain a little?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Ah your right, Slight correction then, they weren't looking for the mark in that time it's just something she saw on her brother and it's not until the start of the show do they actively know it's something to look out for/take note of.
    The intro is literally her pointing out that they can't figure out what the mark means.
    The way you try to explain it just makes the show even more dumb.

    "Sauron found him first and marked him with a symbol. One whose meaning even our wisest could not discern"

    Guess they saw the mark and said "fuck it we can't figure it out, it's probably not important" for thousands years.
    The intro clearly shows the mark is something they, including Galadriel, take huge note of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Guess they saw the mark and said "fuck it we can't figure it out, it's probably not important" for thousands years.
    The intro clearly shows the mark is something they, including Galadriel, take huge note of.
    The show also states that more and more "began to believe that Sauron was but a memory". So not everyone was looking. It is also implied that the King kept humoring Galadriel. It implies that even she gave up on the symbol until she found it again just before her company enforced the order of the king by refusing to continue. The politics of forcing her to "retire" and that some believe she was kindling the flame of the enemy shows a political subtext going on at least with the more recent events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    The intro is literally her pointing out that they can't figure out what the mark means.
    The way you try to explain it just makes the show even more dumb.

    "Sauron found him first and marked him with a symbol. One whose meaning even our wisest could not discern"

    Guess they saw the mark and said "fuck it we can't figure it out, it's probably not important" for thousands years.
    The intro clearly shows the mark is something they, including Galadriel, take huge note of.
    ah didn't think to check the opening war, Ya your right it's just Kinda dumb then, unless they just wrote it off as some battle wound as apparently Gil-galad and Elrond Saw it for the first time when she brought it back and call it a "Mystery sigil" instead of something there Wiest took a look at and were stumped by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The show also states that more and more "began to believe that Sauron was but a memory". So not everyone was looking. It is also implied that the King kept humoring Galadriel. It implies that even she gave up on the symbol until she found it again just before her company enforced the order of the king by refusing to continue. The politics of forcing her to "retire" and that some believe she was kindling the flame of the enemy shows a political subtext going on at least with the more recent events.
    How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?
    Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.
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  9. #4869
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?
    ...what? The same exact way he would have been "just a memory" during the period after his defeat by the Last Alliance. People thought he was gone for good...until he wasn't.

  10. #4870
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.
    That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    ...what? The same exact way he would have been "just a memory" during the period after his defeat by the Last Alliance. People thought he was gone for good...until he wasn't.
    No. People did NOT think he was gone for good because it was known that Sauron escaped when Morgoth was yeeted into the Outer Void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?
    Because everyone thought he was gone but he really wasn't? You know just like Voldemort in Harry Potter? Or any number of Villans that stay "hidden" until they are ready to reveal themselves? Tolkien stated he was defeated, plead for mercy after Morgoth was defeated, but ultimately fled. He fled because he didn't want to face the judgement of the Valar. That was at the end of the first age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.
    It is not. He fled in the source material and wasn't seen from again for a long time. He wasn't an active threat for a long time and by the time he started to become a threat he already had his hands on manipulating Elves and Men. Remember he instigated the forging of the Rings of Power and secretly forged the One Ring. It wasn't until he put it on that he was revealed to be back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.
    I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.
    It does if he was being manipulated by Annatar (Sauron). It was Gil-Galad, on the show at least, who introduced Elrond to Celebrimbor for a special project. Tolkien states that Sauron gave the knowledge on how to forge the rings to the elves. So he already would have had to be influencing the elves during those scenes of the show. Remember the watch posts were being recalled so someone was doing Sauron a favor.

    Even then it doesn't have to mean that he was aware of Sauron. Only aware that some servants of Morgoth likely remained somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I feel like a broken record, but if this is the case, why even bother watching at all? Just so you can complain a little more thoroughly? Its like punishing yourself for no real reason than to hate. Why not watch something that may actually engage your brain a little?
    Why does it bother you that I complain about something? You kinda asked

    I've explained myself quite a bit here that I enjoy the show. I think Galadriel's story is the weakest part of the show though, and it's a real drag that it's been so plagued with nonsense considering it should be the most interesting part of the show, yet nothing about it really works. I can only enjoy it on a surface level, when I first watch, having turned my brain off for all of her adventures. And even then, there are unavoidable cringe moments, like the slow mo horse riding, that just stand out.

    Like some of the best things to come out of this show are the Elrond and Dwarf scenes, which I actually think works very well for the show and as an expansion of the universe. Things make sense and I have little complaint for it. I really love Elrond's arc, and I'd love to see more of it.

    All the while, every part of Galadriel's arc is full of stuff that makes little sense or things that feel out of place, and it's hard to ignore when they're intentionally focusing on her arc as the feature plotline of the series. All my criticisms come from a place of wanting and hoping this show to improve, and otherwise pointing at stuff that doesn't work for me and just sharing my two cents in a discussion forum otherwise. And if people are going to blanketly assume and misunderstand reasons why I think something doesn't work, I'd just as well respond as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.
    Doesn't he get all of the rings forged and sent out because no one actually knows that he's still active and then flips the "I'm evil" switch with the one ring causing all kinds of unforeseen problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.
    There can/are be dangers other then Sauron, hell GG might think she's gonna start a diplomatic incident like she almost does with Númenor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Doesn't he get all of the rings forged and sent out because no one actually knows that he's still active and then flips the "I'm evil" switch with the one ring causing all kinds of unforeseen problems?

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    There can/are be dangers other then Sauron, hell GG might think she's gonna start a diplomatic innocent like she almost does with Númenor.
    Thing is it is known Sauron lived, and we have the conversation between Gil-Galad and Elrond about sending Galadriel away before she awakens an evil RIGHT AFTER she gives a report about finding Saurons symbol/mark in the north. So when you have him say she was sent away to stop evil from growing after he is told Sauron is around, I mean all signs point towards him knowing Sauron is fucking around.

    As for the rings, the dwarf and human rings, yes, the Elven rings he is aware of but has no direct connection too, which is why the Elven wearers didn't turn evil/get corrupted in the way the dwarfs did. They just had to be careful as Sauron could sense them when they had the rings on/used them (don't recall which it is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    As for the rings, the dwarf and human rings, yes, the Elven rings he is aware of but has no direct connection too, which is why the Elven wearers didn't turn evil/get corrupted in the way the dwarfs did. They just had to be careful as Sauron could sense them when they had the rings on/used them (don't recall which it is).
    Sauron never got a hold of the elven rings. They were not stolen when Eregion was sacked and thus protected from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    Thing is it is known Sauron lived, and we have the conversation between Gil-Galad and Elrond about sending Galadriel away before she awakens an evil RIGHT AFTER she gives a report about finding Saurons symbol/mark in the north. So when you have him say she was sent away to stop evil from growing after he is told Sauron is around, I mean all signs point towards him knowing Sauron is fucking around.
    They almost mention though that were she found the mark could be who knows how many years old and its repeated a few times that the general consensus is that he's dead/gone for good. GG could just think that Galadriel's meddling will bring a dragon or something else down on them given that Sauron wasn't the toughest guy around and could have just died to something better then him that they don't want to mess with like a angry Dog or a really good singers or some other guy who beat him up in the lore.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Why does it bother you that I complain about something?

    You're the one asking me to elaborate on my opinion. If you didn't want it, maybe don't ask it?

    If you're gonna make commentary on 'you guys understand why it's there right' and it doesn't really matter to you if anyone does, then there isn't much reason to say it either no?
    So incredibly defensive over a legitimate question lol I also don't believe I asked for your opinion. My original question was about understanding why that scene exists, which you didn't actually answer. Your replies amount to "it doesn't matter," and "why does it bother you" when you're questioned, but things seem to matter a great deal when the shoe is on the other foot. You don't seem to be able to take comments as anything less than a personal insult. Maybe work on that.

    It doesn't at all bother me that you whinge about something you dislike. I'm just curious why you would continue to subject yourself to it when you could watch better things. As I asked, is it just to complain more thoroughly? If anything, I'm trying to make your life better by removing a source of hate. But if that's all that appears to keep you going, by all means.

    All you appear to have is hate and handwaving because things don't fit what you want. Who has time for someone like that, someone that literally just exists to give misery some company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    They almost mention though that were she found the mark could be who knows how many years old and its repeated a few times that the general consensus is that he's dead/gone for good. GG could just think that Galadriel's meddling will bring a dragon or something else down on them given that Sauron wasn't the toughest guy around and could have just died to something better then him that they don't want to mess with like a angry Dog or a really good singers or some other guy who beat him up in the lore.
    Mate are you really down playing Sauron, the #2 of Morgoth, a Maiar, that much? Could have died to something better than him and not mess with like an angry dog? How can you actually write that? Please stop responding for a bit and rethink what you just typed for a while.

    He killed Gil-Galad and Elendil in solo combat, like yes he wasn't a titan of the battlefield like Ungoliant or Galurung, or Gothmog, but he was still a fearsome foe in combat, which isn't even his area of expertise.
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