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[TheRevenantHero]

The show also states that more and more "began to believe that Sauron was but a memory". So not everyone was looking. It is also implied that the King kept humoring Galadriel. It implies that even she gave up on the symbol until she found it again just before her company enforced the order of the king by refusing to continue. The politics of forcing her to "retire" and that some believe she was kindling the flame of the enemy shows a political subtext going on at least with the more recent events.

How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?

Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.

[s_bushido]

How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?

...what? The same exact way he would have been "just a memory" during the period after his defeat by the Last Alliance. People thought he was gone for good...until he wasn't.

[TheRevenantHero]

Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.

That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.

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...what? The same exact way he would have been "just a memory" during the period after his defeat by the Last Alliance. People thought he was gone for good...until he wasn't.

No. People did NOT think he was gone for good because it was known that Sauron escaped when Morgoth was yeeted into the Outer Void.

[rhorle]

How is Sauron but a memory when this show is supposed to take place during his rise to power?

Because everyone thought he was gone but he really wasn't? You know just like Voldemort in Harry Potter? Or any number of Villans that stay "hidden" until they are ready to reveal themselves? Tolkien stated he was defeated, plead for mercy after Morgoth was defeated, but ultimately fled. He fled because he didn't want to face the judgement of the Valar. That was at the end of the first age.

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That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.

It is not. He fled in the source material and wasn't seen from again for a long time. He wasn't an active threat for a long time and by the time he started to become a threat he already had his hands on manipulating Elves and Men. Remember he instigated the forging of the Rings of Power and secretly forged the One Ring. It wasn't until he put it on that he was revealed to be back.

[bledgor]

Every one but Galadriel think he's long gone/dead and not threat while she thinks he's getting ready for a return.

I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.

[rhorle]

I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.

It does if he was being manipulated by Annatar (Sauron). It was Gil-Galad, on the show at least, who introduced Elrond to Celebrimbor for a special project. Tolkien states that Sauron gave the knowledge on how to forge the rings to the elves. So he already would have had to be influencing the elves during those scenes of the show. Remember the watch posts were being recalled so someone was doing Sauron a favor.

Even then it doesn't have to mean that he was aware of Sauron. Only aware that some servants of Morgoth likely remained somewhere.

[Triceron]

I feel like a broken record, but if this is the case, why even bother watching at all? Just so you can complain a little more thoroughly? Its like punishing yourself for no real reason than to hate. Why not watch something that may actually engage your brain a little?

Why does it bother you that I complain about something? You kinda asked

I've explained myself quite a bit here that I enjoy the show. I think Galadriel's story is the weakest part of the show though, and it's a real drag that it's been so plagued with nonsense considering it should be the most interesting part of the show, yet nothing about it really works. I can only enjoy it on a surface level, when I first watch, having turned my brain off for all of her adventures. And even then, there are unavoidable cringe moments, like the slow mo horse riding, that just stand out.

Like some of the best things to come out of this show are the Elrond and Dwarf scenes, which I actually think works very well for the show and as an expansion of the universe. Things make sense and I have little complaint for it. I really love Elrond's arc, and I'd love to see more of it.

All the while, every part of Galadriel's arc is full of stuff that makes little sense or things that feel out of place, and it's hard to ignore when they're intentionally focusing on her arc as the feature plotline of the series. All my criticisms come from a place of wanting and hoping this show to improve, and otherwise pointing at stuff that doesn't work for me and just sharing my two cents in a discussion forum otherwise. And if people are going to blanketly assume and misunderstand reasons why I think something doesn't work, I'd just as well respond as well.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That makes absolutely no fucking sense and is an egregious retcon of the source material.

Doesn't he get all of the rings forged and sent out because no one actually knows that he's still active and then flips the "I'm evil" switch with the one ring causing all kinds of unforeseen problems?

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I mean this doesn't work when we have Gil-Galad saying we know there is a danger out there, but her poking it could make it grow or whatever he technically said. Obviously he is aware of a threat but he refuses to engage it.

There can/are be dangers other then Sauron, hell GG might think she's gonna start a diplomatic incident like she almost does with Númenor.

[bledgor]

Doesn't he get all of the rings forged and sent out because no one actually knows that he's still active and then flips the "I'm evil" switch with the one ring causing all kinds of unforeseen problems?

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There can/are be dangers other then Sauron, hell GG might think she's gonna start a diplomatic innocent like she almost does with Númenor.

Thing is it is known Sauron lived, and we have the conversation between Gil-Galad and Elrond about sending Galadriel away before she awakens an evil RIGHT AFTER she gives a report about finding Saurons symbol/mark in the north. So when you have him say she was sent away to stop evil from growing after he is told Sauron is around, I mean all signs point towards him knowing Sauron is fucking around.

As for the rings, the dwarf and human rings, yes, the Elven rings he is aware of but has no direct connection too, which is why the Elven wearers didn't turn evil/get corrupted in the way the dwarfs did. They just had to be careful as Sauron could sense them when they had the rings on/used them (don't recall which it is).

[rhorle]

As for the rings, the dwarf and human rings, yes, the Elven rings he is aware of but has no direct connection too, which is why the Elven wearers didn't turn evil/get corrupted in the way the dwarfs did. They just had to be careful as Sauron could sense them when they had the rings on/used them (don't recall which it is).

Sauron never got a hold of the elven rings. They were not stolen when Eregion was sacked and thus protected from him.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Thing is it is known Sauron lived, and we have the conversation between Gil-Galad and Elrond about sending Galadriel away before she awakens an evil RIGHT AFTER she gives a report about finding Saurons symbol/mark in the north. So when you have him say she was sent away to stop evil from growing after he is told Sauron is around, I mean all signs point towards him knowing Sauron is fucking around.

They almost mention though that were she found the mark could be who knows how many years old and its repeated a few times that the general consensus is that he's dead/gone for good. GG could just think that Galadriel's meddling will bring a dragon or something else down on them given that Sauron wasn't the toughest guy around and could have just died to something better then him that they don't want to mess with like a angry Dog or a really good singers or some other guy who beat him up in the lore.

[UnifiedDivide]

Why does it bother you that I complain about something?

You're the one asking me to elaborate on my opinion. If you didn't want it, maybe don't ask it?

If you're gonna make commentary on 'you guys understand why it's there right' and it doesn't really matter to you if anyone does, then there isn't much reason to say it either no?

So incredibly defensive over a legitimate question lol I also don't believe I asked for your opinion. My original question was about understanding why that scene exists, which you didn't actually answer. Your replies amount to "it doesn't matter," and "why does it bother you" when you're questioned, but things seem to matter a great deal when the shoe is on the other foot. You don't seem to be able to take comments as anything less than a personal insult. Maybe work on that.

It doesn't at all bother me that you whinge about something you dislike. I'm just curious why you would continue to subject yourself to it when you could watch better things. As I asked, is it just to complain more thoroughly? If anything, I'm trying to make your life better by removing a source of hate. But if that's all that appears to keep you going, by all means.

All you appear to have is hate and handwaving because things don't fit what you want. Who has time for someone like that, someone that literally just exists to give misery some company?

[bledgor]

They almost mention though that were she found the mark could be who knows how many years old and its repeated a few times that the general consensus is that he's dead/gone for good. GG could just think that Galadriel's meddling will bring a dragon or something else down on them given that Sauron wasn't the toughest guy around and could have just died to something better then him that they don't want to mess with like a angry Dog or a really good singers or some other guy who beat him up in the lore.

Mate are you really down playing Sauron, the #2 of Morgoth, a Maiar, that much? Could have died to something better than him and not mess with like an angry dog? How can you actually write that? Please stop responding for a bit and rethink what you just typed for a while.

He killed Gil-Galad and Elendil in solo combat, like yes he wasn't a titan of the battlefield like Ungoliant or Galurung, or Gothmog, but he was still a fearsome foe in combat, which isn't even his area of expertise.

[rhorle]

Mate are you really down playing Sauron, the #2 of Morgoth, a Maiar, that much? Could have died to something better than him and not mess with like an angry dog? How can you actually write that? Please stop responding for a bit and rethink what you just typed for a while.

Sauron was defeated by a wolfhound which is an actual angry "dog" lol. While yes it was a "special" one it still shows that something else in the world could have defeated him. Or he just could have never come back after fleeing judgement.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Mate are you really down playing Sauron, the #2 of Morgoth, a Maiar, that much? Could have died to something better than him and not mess with like an angry dog? How can you actually write that? Please stop responding for a bit and rethink what you just typed for a while.

Nan man angry dog's are a force to be wrecking with.

Huan was originally a Hound of Oromë in Valinor and was eventually given to Celegorm, Fëanor's third son. He went into exile with his master during the Flight of the Ñoldor. He might have stayed with his master in Himlad and later fled with him to Nargothrond after their defeat in the Dagor Bragollach.[3]

He became involved with the Quest for the Silmaril. When Beren had left Lúthien and gone with Finrod Felagund to Angband but had been captured in Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Lúthien set out to rescue him. She was intercepted by Celegorm and Curufin, who were living in Nargothrond at the time and were hunting. Huan smelt Lúthien and captured her, and she was brought before Celegorm. Celegorm and Curufin did not reveal to her that they had sent Beren to his death by the hand of Sauron, and took her as a prisoner to Nargothrond, "for her own protection", secretly plotting to wed her to Celegorm and thereby force an alliance with Lúthien's father Thingol.[2]

Huan felt pity for Lúthien, and sought her out. Speaking for the first time, he told her of a way to escape, using a secret exit,[4] and then accompanied her to Tol-in-Gaurhoth[5] where, with the help of Lúthien's magic, he killed all of Sauron's werewolves until Sauron himself came out, knowing of the prophesy about Huan's death he took the shape of the greatest wolf that had ever lived up to that point. Huan nevertheless managed to defeat him, and Sauron was forced to flee.

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Huan

[bledgor]

Nan man angry dog's are a force to be wrecking with.


https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Huan

I mean now you are downplaying Huan, not a fucking dog but a great wolfhound created by THE GREAT HUNTSMAN OF THE VALAR HIMSELF. You and Rhole love to throw some shit on some posts downplaying anything you disagree with and cropping up some random 1 lines without context to prop up whatever BS you want to toss out next.

Like seriously saying Gil-Galad just ignores the #2 of Morgoth, I just need to stop reading things you post like Rhole, you obviously don't care about Tolkien and are just here to fight other people.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean now you are downplaying Huan, not a fucking dog but a great wolfhound created by THE GREAT HUNTSMAN OF THE VALAR HIMSELF. You and Rhole love to shit on some terrible posts downplaying anything you disagree with and cropping up some random 1 lines without context to prop up whatever BS you want to toss out next.

Like seriously saying Gil-Galad just ignores the #2 of Morgoth, I just need to stop reading things you post like Rhole, you obviously don't care about Tolkien and are just here to fight other people.

A wolfhound is in fact a Dog, and while Huan might be a rare good boy he still proves the point that Sauron isn't the end all be all and could have been put down in his years of absence.

[bledgor]

A wolfhound is in fact a Dog, and while Huan might be a rare good boy he still proves the point that Sauron isn't the end all be all and could have been put down in his years of absence.

Might be rare? Mother fucker is literally one of a kind made by a lesser god, that is like saying though Arda might be rare it is still just a giant sphere. It is beyond disingenuous, and acting like Sauron is so fucking easy to kill, guess that is why he lived through 2 ages and nearly conquered the lanes of man twice, so easy you could do it on a trip to the market. So easy I am sure an alliance of all the elves and humans could easily wipe him out without losing a single troop, much less two legends like Gil-Galad or Elendil, so crap even Morgoth didn't want to promote past 2nd in charge.

Guess Tolkien was just some dude that wrote things down too right? Don't bother to respond to me, cause I won't be looking.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Might be rare? Mother fucker is literally one of a kind made by a lesser god, that is like saying though Arda might be rare it is still just a giant sphere. It is beyond disingenuous, and acting like Sauron is so fucking easy to kill, guess that is why he lived through 2 ages and nearly conquered the lanes of man twice, so easy you could do it on a trip to the market. So easy I am sure an alliance of all the elves and humans could easily wipe him out without losing a single troop, much less two legends like Gil-Galad or Elendil, so crap even Morgoth didn't want to promote past 2nd in charge.

Guess Tolkien was just some dude that wrote things down too right? Don't bother to respond to me, cause I won't be looking.

Sauron was beaten by elf's and men and then destroyed by them and hobbits(as well as having a list of prior defeats), He didn't survive 2 ages by being the biggest baddest guy around, but if you want to rant about a rare good boy instead of actually acknowledge that there are forces that could have killed him before the rings were made and there were more high tier players around, go off queen I can't stop you.