Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

All you appear to have is hate and handwaving because things don't fit what you want. Who has time for someone like that, someone that literally just exists to give misery some company?

Well yeah because you don't read all my messages, and frankly with the way discussions actually work here, people have more back-and-forth discussions over things to argue over than things to share interest about.

I enjoy the show, and I watch it week to week because I like it. I've even said before here that Elrond and the Dwarf arc is my favourite part of the series. I even updated my message above since I did feel my original response to you was overly defensive. At any rate, the reasons for my criticisms aren't an expression of hate, but an expression of disappointment that this show isn't as good as I think it should be. And it really should be riding on high standards considering the amount of time and money being put into the project.

It's just disappointing that Galadriel is such an unrelatable character. Nothing to the actress who I think is doing great with the material she's given. It's really down to the production value overall. The scripts, the narrative focus, the characterization, the pacing... Everything feels off. And it's very easy to nitpick when the rest of the show looks pretty darn good.

If this show was better put together, I'd be happy to sing its praises. Otherwise, my expression of things I think are wrong or don't work or don't like aren't really a matter of hating the show, but that I think it could be and should be better.

As for hand-waving things that don't fit, I don't see what the problem is with that. I didn't like the Star Wars sequels (mostly after Last Jedi) and I would just as much express my criticisms and comments about how it doesn't work for me. Other people can enjoy it as they please, but it wouldn't stop me from expressing and explaining my opinions if people simple say 'The movies make sense, I don't get what people are complaining about'. Well, a big part of why don't love the movies is because there are many things that I think just don't work, and don't fit what I want, and I wouldn't really be speaking on other people's behalf when I express my own opinion on the matter would I?

[rhorle]

Like seriously saying Gil-Galad just ignores the #2 of Morgoth, I just need to stop reading things you post like Rhole, you obviously don't care about Tolkien and are just here to fight other people.

Again, he could be influenced by Sauron as we know he befriended the elves. For a person that claims to care about tolkien you've been making several incorrect statements about lore then turn to insults when it gets pointed out. Focus less on the posters and more on Tolkien.

[Zodiark]

A few black people or even a black princess (without any kind of justification for it to happen) in an isolationist population is forced diversity.

Yeah I agree. If they wanted to make a black member of one of the established Tolkien races then they should have justified it with some bit of explanation. Like a black Dwarf was part of some more exotic race of dwarves in a far off region, or maybe a dwarf married a human who happened to be black and she was an offspring. If they did this with all the inserted ethnically diverse characters then it would have sat better with established fans. However as you said this IS an isolationist population because it's basically an ancient version of England and Ireland and surrounding areas, places where up until much later in OUR history had practically ZERO black, or Asian people.

If Tolkien was black, and made his version of Middle Earth to tell a story replacing long forgotten or destroyed lore from Africa, and all the characters were black and then someone came along and tried to re-do it somehow but added white characters, in an age and area where there weren't supposed to be any in that area then all hell would break loose.

[Triceron]

They almost mention though that were she found the mark could be who knows how many years old and its repeated a few times that the general consensus is that he's dead/gone for good. GG could just think that Galadriel's meddling will bring a dragon or something else down on them given that Sauron wasn't the toughest guy around and could have just died to something better then him that they don't want to mess with like a angry Dog or a really good singers or some other guy who beat him up in the lore.

To be honest, her company was full of 'unreliable narrators'. Their theories aren't supposed to be trusted considering the same guy said no other Elf commander has ever found the fortress and was outright doubting its existence, right when we literally see it in front of us in the next scene. His entire modus operandi was going home, so he was of course going to pull any excuse out of the book to dismiss any evidence and convince Galadriel to drop the whole thing. I don't think the show expects the audience to take his words as gospel. Even the talks of the threat of evil is gone ended up being revealed as a red herring/misdirect.

[Pratt]

My main issue is the same one I had with Mandalorian. The dialogue feels like if you took a reasonable script and ran it through some ai that summarized each page into a single 6 word sentence calculated to be understood by the average 3rd grader. There's no subtly or depth. It's the definition of basic.
And while the cgi is "good" the show feels like people in costumes on some set. It's baffling how much money was spent for everything to look so fake.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

To be honest, her company was full of 'unreliable narrators'. Their theories aren't supposed to be trusted considering the same guy said no other Elf commander has ever found the fortress and was outright doubting its existence, right when we literally see it in front of us in the next scene. His entire modus operandi was going home, so he was of course going to pull any excuse out of the book to dismiss any evidence and convince Galadriel to drop the whole thing. I don't think the show expects the audience to take his words as gospel. Even the talks of the threat of evil is gone ended up being revealed as a red herring/misdirect.

Well ya the audience isn't gonna take unamed elf's word for it but from the look of it all the elf's in setting did given that not one at all supports Glad.

[Biomega]

My main issue is the same one I had with Mandalorian. The dialogue feels like if you took a reasonable script and ran it through some ai that summarized each page into a single 6 word sentence calculated to be understood by the average 3rd grader.

I mean... that's the target audience? In effect if not in fact.

You'll be hard-pressed to find complex dialogue in a mainstream AAA show. Anywhere.

[Triceron]

Well ya the audience isn't gonna take unamed elf's word for it but from the look of it all the elf's in setting did given that not one at all supports Glad.

... But she ends up being the right one.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

... But she ends up being the right one.

Um ya we know that from our meta view but the people in the setting dont.

[Syegfryed]

I just remember that one scene in episode 2 where she is dragged to the bottom of the ocean by a piece of wood, like it was an iron anchor, when wood is supposed to float.

Even if she did go down, it was in an absurd speed, it was that when i stop the second one.

Pretty sure the orcs complain about not taking day shift so it's likely they are working the slaves around the clock or in shifts.

Whcih would still be dumb, as everyone else would see it, since elves can see far away

oh wait, they don't, all those elves captured because didn't saw it, like come on, everything work so aligned so the things happens in the way they are supposed to, its railroad as it finest.

They shown black and Asian southlanders in the trailer about them, so unless there is another one I missed so it's only the orcs.

Too bad no one in the village the girl who have the hots for the elf is black, at least i didn't find then

There are no thousands of years with the mark or exploring every corner of the world we see Her find the mark at the start of the show and then get told it's nothing leading to her being put on the boat.

And she is supposed to be searching for hundreds of years the meaning of this mark, and they say in the show they went to every corner of the world, and even then, she had hundreds of years to the see mark sideways to find its meaning, and she didn't, this is awful writing.

Like, why in the fucking ass would sauron mark an enemy with something that would lead to him

Is this like a friend's home bar, or an actual drinking establishment? If the latter, I need to find one of those where I can go and watch/discuss stuff like this lol

It is a drinking establishment, we go there to play dnd, watch stuff or work, pretty chill

[Hansworst]

I just remember that one scene in episode 2 where she is dragged to the bottom of the ocean by a piece of wood, like it was an iron anchor, when wood is supposed to float.

Even if she did go down, it was in an absurd speed, it was that when i stop the second one.

Well technically not all wood floats but if you build a boat, its kinda useful to use the floating kind. I agree that was a really awkward scene.

[Syegfryed]

Well technically not all wood floats but if you make a boat, its kinda useful to use the floating kind. I agree that was a really awkward scene.

My problem was not even that "all wood is supposed to float" i know some don't, but mostly, its does, my problem is how you get a big piece of timber, and she is dragged like it was a whole anchor.

See, its those little bits that you can ignore, you know its supposed o create an scene of conflict with not-sauron and her, but it does feel bad

[s_bushido]

My problem was not even that "all wood is supposed to float" i know some don't, but mostly, its does, my problem is how you get a big piece of timber, and she is dragged like it was a whole anchor.

Presumably because you're talking out of your ass:



It's not just a big piece of timber. It was presumably a coil of that thick rope she was trying to use to secure herself to the raft earlier... Hence why she was tied to it when the whole thing was thrown into the water.

But I agree. It probably does feel bad to be actively looking for every little thing to nitpick over. To the point where you're just making shit up when you can't think of anything else.

[Syegfryed]

Presumably because you're talking out of your ass:



It's not just a big piece of timber. It was presumably a coil of that thick rope she was trying to use to secure herself to the raft earlier... Hence why she was tied to it when the whole thing was thrown into the water.

But I agree. It probably does feel bad to be actively looking for every little thing to nitpick over. To the point where you're just making shit up when you can't think of anything else.

If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it

[rhorle]

If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it

https://www.piecesofship.com/pageShi...ckPulleys.html

The weight of block pulley can vary. One on the page I linked to is 74 lbs. It is possible they could way more. Without doing a myth busters level of scientific inquiry into buoyancy and stuff it seems plausible.

[s_bushido]

If you think that is enough to pull her, the one who is so much strong(already proved by the show), that hard and that fast you are delusional like the people who are praising it

...lol

Even if she was strong enough to swim against being pulled down by a big chunk of wood/metal/rope, it wouldn't much matter if she was fucking unconscious. Which...you know:

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Whcih would still be dumb, as everyone else would see it, since elves can see far away

oh wait, they don't, all those elves captured because didn't saw it, like come on, everything work so aligned so the things happens in the way they are supposed to, its railroad as it finest.

or you know they captured the watch post before there trench thing was moved with in its view. It’s even likely they took the post when black elf went to check on his girl friend which is why the other elfs were already there before he was captured exploring a tunnel in a distant town.

Too bad no one in the village the girl who have the hots for the elf is black, at least i didn't find then

no but the human girl friends son is notably Asian and given that they are leaving for some where else in the south lands it’s fairly certain that we’ll see the black villagers when ever we see where they went.

[Ausr]

I'm not watching it, but my brother is. He's comparing it to the WoT series that they did and how they're fucking things up just as much. Much like the WoT series, he's slowly dying inside from how much they're killing literature.

[Soikona]

...lol

Even if she was strong enough to swim against being pulled down by a big chunk of wood/metal/rope, it wouldn't much matter if she was fucking unconscious. Which...you know:

I feel like a mic drop picture needs to be inserted…

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm not watching it, but my brother is. He's comparing it to the WoT series that they did and how they're fucking things up just as much. Much like the WoT series, he's slowly dying inside from how much they're killing literature.

Killing literature? Are they burning any copy’s of the books they can find and shooting modern day authors or something?