Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Ausr]

Killing literature? Are they burning any copy’s of the books they can find and shooting modern day authors or something?

Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!

[Shiatan]

"This is not the Lord of the Rings show you are looking for. You can go about your business."
If we ignore enough of this tripe it may just go away.

[rhorle]

Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!

Tolkien's work remains the same regardless of what the show does. It isn't like film butchering book adaptations is anything new so literature would have been six feet under for a long time prior to Rings of Power. This is no different then the Marvel movies being part of their own "universe" that is distinct from the source medium (comics). The comics are not destroyed or invalidated because it isn't a 1:1 copy.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Can't argue it, better go for Nazi like burning books examples instead!

What is there to even argue? A show isn’t even literature and no one is stopping people from reading there old books Or new authors from making new books.

[InfiniteCharger]

Tolkien's work remains the same regardless of what the show does. It isn't like film butchering book adaptations is anything new so literature would been six feet under for a long time prior to Rings of Power. This is no different then the Marvel movies being part of their own "universe" that is distinct from the source medium (comics). The comics are not destroyed or invalidated because it isn't a 1:1 copy.

Tolkien's work is not a multiverse. There is supposed to be only one canonical set of events and characters which primarily are based on what he wrote. This nonsense that we can have 5 different versions of the second age based on 5 different studios 'interpretation' is not what Tolkien wanted. Marvel owns their IP and can do what they want with it. Tolkien is dead and the Tolkien estate is basically farming off part of his story for money. Amazon does not have the rights to tell the "definitive" story of the second age, whether Tolkien fleshed it out or not. Whatever they are doing is not canon and is just a made up story that is not literally part of Tolkien's legendarium. So this show is just that, a billion dollar "what if" fan fiction. Which makes their claims about being ground breaking totally disingenuous and phony. And if that is what the Tolkien estate is allowing then shame on them. None of these made up characters are canon and nobody has to respect them if they do another version of the second age. And nobody has to follow Amazons 'compressed' timeline, nor do they have to respect the made up narrative they have created outside Tolkien.

What you are basically saying is it is OK for any studio to just throw some crap into the second age and call it Tolkien.......

Now if you like it and all, then thats fine, but to call this Tolkien as if it is canon, is false. And the reason why so many people are complaining is because Amazon themselves have tried to sell this show as a literal canon version of the second age story when it isn't. At the end of every episode it states clearly that this series is only 'inspired' by Tolkien and that even if the characters have the same names as those from Tolkien, they are not literally based on what Tolkien wrote. But they put that at the very end of the credits in a place most people wont ever see it. Amazon knows it is not canon so as long as we keep it at that then fine. But it is the marketing of trying to have it both ways in pretending that it is canon while in the small print stating it isn't is the problem

[rhorle]

Tolkien's work is not a multiverse.

It still is not. There is only one canonical set of events. This isn't even the first adaptation so your statements are a little silly to make. If Marvel can do what they want with their IP then can't the Tolkien Estate do what they want with their IP including selling the rights to a company?

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Adaptat...d_of_the_Rings

[Triceron]

It still is not. There is only one canonical set of events. This isn't even the first adaptation so your statements are a little silly to make. If Marvel can do what they want with their IP then can't the Tolkien Estate do what they want with their IP including selling the rights to a company?

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Adaptat...d_of_the_Rings

Oh they can absolutely do what they want with their IP.

But the fans don't have to be happy about that do they? Look at the shit show Star Wars had with the sequel trilogy. Only now are they building back some good faith with Mandalorian and some of the shows (and even then the shows are a bit hit and miss)

I mean the whole reason people are upset about this series is because it's not great. Hell, it's technically not even good by audience aggregate standards. And it's kinda sad because it really should be better than what we're getting. IMO, so far there's much more bad than there is good in the series, and the best way to enjoy it is on a surface level, like watching some CW DC superhero show. Otherwise the writers haven't really built a consistent world that has the richness of depth expected of (a derivative of) Tolkien's work

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Tolkien's work is not a multiverse. There is supposed to be only one canonical set of events and characters which primarily are based on what he wrote.

The Tolkien multiverse ship kinda already sailed in 1978 with the animated movies which broke the canon and then again with the Jackson movies and again with shadow of Mordor.

ROP is the 5th different continuity at this point with all Of them being under Tolkien's name/franchise even though he didn’t write them.

[Orby]

Oh man, get ready for the cringiest slow-mo horse-riding scene ever

You all complained that this woman never smiled.. now you know why :P

Killing literature? Are they burning any copy’s of the books they can find and shooting modern day authors or something?

I mean, not burned, but America is trying to ban it because, something, something, religion,. something :P

Maybe thats why they are afraid, they afraid they'll be no books and Rings of Power is the only source material they'll have... lol.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, not burned, but America is trying to ban it because, something, something, religion,. something :P

Maybe thats why they are afraid, they afraid they'll be no books and Rings of Power is the only source material they'll have... lol.

Huh ya I totally forgot that was an ongoing thing in America.

And Who knows Mabye if you dig deep enough you can find Amazon funding them to corner the market!

[BeepBoo]

Even if she was strong enough to swim against being pulled down by a big chunk of wood/metal/rope, it wouldn't much matter if she was fucking unconscious. Which...you know:

Know what's even better about people who are unconscious under water?

They instantly drown because they're incapable of holding their breath. Nice touch, that. Having her swim to the surface herself without needing to be resuscitated after drowning for at least 10 seconds and undoubtedly actively taking on water into her lungs.

[rogoth]

i'm quite frankly astonished nobody has brought up the emergency interview these amateurs had to do recently in order to try and justify their cultural appropriation and absolutely disgusting stereotyping with their writing, it's actually pretty funny seeing them come out and start to backtrack on the name calling and ist/phobe labelling they have been throwing around lately in an utterly embarrassing attempt to try and avoid the repercussions of their actions.

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Know what's even better about people who are unconscious under water?

They instantly drown because they're incapable of holding their breath. Nice touch, that. Having her swim to the surface herself without needing to be resuscitated after drowning for at least 10 seconds and undoubtedly actively taking on water into her lungs.

you forgot that warrior goddess galadriel who don't need no man is immune to such trivialities such as this, she not only has unbreakable plot armour the likes of which has not been seen before, even in the most egregious Anime productions, but she also has the power of feminism on her side, and that is a weapon unlike any other.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

i'm quite frankly astonished nobody has brought up the emergency interview these amateurs had to do recently in order to try and justify their cultural appropriation and absolutely disgusting stereotyping with their writing, it's actually pretty funny seeing them come out and start to backtrack on the name calling and ist/phobe labelling they have been throwing around lately in an utterly embarrassing attempt to try and avoid the repercussions of their actions.

Don’t tend to follow post release media, What cultural appropriation and stereotyping are they justifying? Nothing comes to mind for the first 3 episodes.

[BigToast]

i'm quite frankly astonished nobody has brought up the emergency interview these amateurs had to do recently in order to try and justify their cultural appropriation and absolutely disgusting stereotyping with their writing, it's actually pretty funny seeing them come out and start to backtrack on the name calling and ist/phobe labelling they have been throwing around lately in an utterly embarrassing attempt to try and avoid the repercussions of their actions.

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you forgot that warrior goddess galadriel who don't need no man is immune to such trivialities such as this, she not only has unbreakable plot armour the likes of which has not been seen before, even in the most egregious Anime productions, but she also has the power of feminism on her side, and that is a weapon unlike any other.

Remember when the man saved Galadriel from drowning? You're such a troll.

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Don’t tend to follow post release media, What cultural appropriation and stereotyping are they justifying? Nothing comes to mind for the first 3 episodes.

He means he's triggered by black people in stuff. Pretty simple. He's been complaining about it for hundreds of pages.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He means he's triggered by black people in stuff. Pretty simple. He's been complaining about it for hundreds of pages.

I’d assume if they are pointing towards an interview where they talk about cultural appropriation and stereotyping said interview would give some actual examples though.

[rogoth]

Don’t tend to follow post release media, What cultural appropriation and stereotyping are they justifying? Nothing comes to mind for the first 3 episodes.

it was an interview with them trying to justify why they made the hobbits-not hobbits into dirty irish people, and why they made all the dwarves have a stereotypical scots accent, they were called out by the Irish Post newspaper.

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Remember when the man saved Galadriel from drowning? You're such a troll.

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He means he's triggered by black people in stuff. Pretty simple. He's been complaining about it for hundreds of pages.

oh the irony of your moronic assumption is hilarious, please do it more, you gave me a good laugh which i needed today as i'm forced to ingest 4 different types of pain medication to manage one of my health problems, you making a complete fucking muppet out of yourself has made my day, keep it up, i'm sure it makes you look really smart /s.

[rhorle]

They instantly drown because they're incapable of holding their breath. Nice touch, that. Having her swim to the surface herself without needing to be resuscitated after drowning for at least 10 seconds and undoubtedly actively taking on water into her lungs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_reflex

It isn't entirely true that they will instantly drown as the body has reflexes that will prevent breathing for a time. It is true though that the body reaches a point where it will attempt to breath. An Elf of course isn't Human or even from the real world and Tolkien never went this in-depth into their abilities so it is silly to even bring this into a discussion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

it was an interview with them trying to justify why they made the hobbits-not hobbits into dirty irish people, and why they made all the dwarves have a stereotypical scots accent, they were called out by the Irish Post newspaper.

Hmm can’t say I know enough about the Irish to know what to look for in the case of the hobbits.

The Scottish accent bit seems a bit odd though, dwarfs are obviously scot bashed but complaining just about the accent when they otherwise didn’t really play into actual Scottish stereotypes is weird to me.

[rhorle]

I’d assume if they are pointing towards an interview where they talk about cultural appropriation and stereotyping said interview would give some actual examples though.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/t...bn-well-spent/

I'm guessing it is this article that reads more like an op-ed then an actually controversy. In another article with one of the Harfoot actors he suggested it was meant to invoke a sense of community and used his own life experiences to put it into context. Though I can certainly understand why it may be a touchy subject but I'm not sure it crosses into racist or stereotype.

When I spoke to Sir Lenworth Henry, who plays a harfoot and has no say in the accents either way, he suggested that the Irish inflection is meant to convey a community feel, and that the creative team wanted an “identifiably celtic-rooted dialect” for the harfoots. The harfoots, according to Tolkien lore, were allies of the dwarves, who in the original trilogy and this series have Scottish accents, so perhaps that celtic link informed the decision. In Henry’s estimation, it’s a vibe thing: “[The harfoots] are a nomadic, very earthy, hard-handed, hard-working people,” Henry said. “My dad came to this country and worked with Irish people, and they worked with a lot of Jamaicans and there was a real sense of we're all in this together. And I think [that's the case] with the harfoots.” https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/cultur...-irish-accents

[BigToast]

oh the irony of your moronic assumption is hilarious, please do it more, you gave me a good laugh which i needed today as i'm forced to ingest 4 different types of pain medication to manage one of my health problems, you making a complete fucking muppet out of yourself has made my day, keep it up, i'm sure it makes you look really smart /s.

Now it makes sense. Sorry to hear about your health problems. I am more sorry that you exist to be a miserable troll on this board. Sad.