Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[bledgor]

Why do you care? You don't like the show. Also I don't think you can claim you "long stopped watching" when it's 4th episode barely came out XD

Why do you care that people are upset? Maybe realize people love Tolkien, and when they heard about the show they wanted it to be amazing, but recent expectations (especially from Amazon) made them weary, and the show has so far largely justified it.

RoP is a very pretty steaming pile of mediocre. The dialogue is abysmal, the characters range from terrible to good, it strays very far from the source material, and the plot line is all over the place in the worst ways, having little progress while having very nonsensical moments (including the suicide attempt by Galadriel to be saved dues ex machina twice).

The fact that a show with a billion dollar budget based on Tolkiens work is so mediocre at best pisses people off because with the right team producing and writing it the show could have been one of the greatest shows ever, and instead its forgettable generic fantasy.

[s_bushido]

Why do you care? You don't like the show.

We need more crusaders in the endless war against the Woke Agenda™!

[BeepBoo]

A funny post, given that you described RoP's relationship to the previous Jackson movies to a tee. It's the same shit, just with different stories and different characters...

Lets approach from probably a better example: the ford mustang.

You have ye olden mustang and all its successors essentially being the same thing. RWD V8 coupe. There were some missteps in there that got ford properly lambasted, and there are some cheaper mustangs that are mustang-lites like the non-v8 variants, but by-and-large the mustang has been a RWD coupe with a v8.

Then, some yahoo at ford decides "You know what? In order to make this monstrosity of a CUV EV a 'mustang mach-e'! People will love it! They recognize the name!"

THAT is what this series is. It's the Mustang Mach-E of Tolkien.

[rhorle]

Then, some yahoo at ford decides "You know what? In order to make this monstrosity of a CUV EV a 'mustang mach-e'! People will love it! They recognize the name!" THAT is what this series is. It's the Mustang Mach-E of Tolkien.

So the new thing that lots of people love that will help save the planet is supposed to the show? Poor metaphor that just really shows how much people reach to try to crap on something. Not to mention Ford is having a gas Mustang as part of their line up and Ford says the success of the the Mach-E convinced them to still offer the old mustang. What if this show's success allows further Tolkien related stuff? Remember Amazon has the rights to do spin offs if they so wish.

Farley said a big reason Ford is continuing with gas-powered Mustangs is, ironically, the success of the Mustang Mach-E, an all-electric crossover that first went on sale in late 2020 and has actually outsold the gas-powered version during some months. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/16/ford...s-powered.html

[jonnysensible]

Tolkiens work is so mediocre

this part is true. Outside of lotr and ze hobbit the rest is fucking toilet.

quite funny that appeal at the end 'this could have been the greatest show ever'. Go write it then pal. You have an imagined idea of what you want which will never measure up to anything anyone else produces. Entirely unrealistic expectations. Impossible to please.

[s_bushido]

THAT is what this series is. It's the Mustang Mach-E of Tolkien.

I have no idea what this even means. If there's a market for an electric Mustang, people will buy it. If there's a market for a LotR show with [insert feature that outrange merchants are pissing their pants over], people will watch it. End of story.

[Syegfryed]

this part is true. Outside of lotr and ze hobbit the rest is fucking toilet.

quite funny that appeal at the end 'this could have been the greatest show ever'. Go write it then pal. You have an imagined idea of what you want which will never measure up to anything anyone else produces. Entirely unrealistic expectations. Impossible to please.

Its quite sad that people go so low to the point of saying tolkien work is toilet, not the show, his work

[s_bushido]

Its quite sad that people go so low to the point of saying tolkien work is toilet, not the show, his work

If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

[jonnysensible]

Its quite sad that people go so low to the point of saying tolkien work is toilet, not the show, his work

anyone who says they enjoyed The Silmarillion is lying.

dont tell me you are a big Farmer Giles of Ham fan

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If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

nah lotr would be a storm still

[s_bushido]

nah lotr would be a storm still

/shrug I obviously have my doubts.

At this point I put his work on the level of the old classics that you'd be assigned to read in English class in high school. The stuff may be technically good, but...I don't know...it's just not as exciting as it may have once been.

[Syegfryed]

If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

And what basis do you have for that outside the one from where you sit?

Like, trying to mock his work in a vain tentative to defend the show - because you have no argument - is some next level for sure

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anyone who says they enjoyed The Silmarillion is lying.

dont tell me you are a big Farmer Giles of Ham fan

Then why a company like amazon is wasting billions for just some pages?

[BeepBoo]

So the new thing that lots of people love that will help save the planet is supposed to the show? Poor metaphor that just really shows how much people reach to try to crap on something. Not to mention Ford is having a gas Mustang as part of their line up and Ford says the success of the the Mach-E convinced them to still offer the old mustang.

That's a lie. The mustang is still a killer seller without the mach e. Also, a faithful mustang would have been a coupe with EV. It's not the EV that's the problem. It's the fact that it's an SUV EV incorrectly wearing the mustang nameplate trying to convince us it's cool by doing so. Also, if the mustang was in actual jeopardy due to no longer being feasible, I'd rather it just die and them invent a new car name for the mach e.

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I have no idea what this even means. If there's a market for an electric Mustang, people will buy it. If there's a market for a LotR show with [insert feature that outrange merchants are pissing their pants over], people will watch it. End of story.

Go look at the mach e. It's not a mustang. It's an SUV.

Look, the show is alright. It has some really bad writing and some lore inconsistencies. I'm gonna keep watching it, but it's definitely worthy of some heavy criticism.

[bledgor]

this part is true. Outside of lotr and ze hobbit the rest is fucking toilet.

quite funny that appeal at the end 'this could have been the greatest show ever'. Go write it then pal. You have an imagined idea of what you want which will never measure up to anything anyone else produces. Entirely unrealistic expectations. Impossible to please.

If Tolkien outside of those is so bad why are you here? You just admitted the show couldn't be good for you as it is based on "fucking toilet".

I don't have to write it mate, it was already written. Yet you are the one claiming to be an expert and able to call it crap? Ego much? I mean I guess the rest of us in the literary world are just idiot chumps compared to you.

[Veggie50]

I believe it’s well established that while the world he has created is amazing, Tolkien’s not an amazing writer. His stories lack planning and can be a drudge at points.

That’s not what his work is lauded for though. It’s the depth of the lore, the care for the cultures depicted. One can read his works and imagine the living world.

I read the silmarillion long ago, and it was a fuckin chore. What I loved most about it, is that “the lord of the rings”, the epic that sparked the mania, was just a single chapter in history, and really not a very major one. That perspective blew me away.

So, is Tolkien “toilet”? Not by any means, but if you judge him just on his narrative planning, he’s definitely not good.

[jonnysensible]

If Tolkien outside of those is so bad why are you here? You just admitted the show couldn't be good for you as it is based on "fucking toilet".

I don't have to write it mate, it was already written. Yet you are the one claiming to be an expert and able to call it crap? Ego much? I mean I guess the rest of us in the literary world are just idiot chumps compared to you.

The show isn't good its boring and tepid. I'm trying to hate watch it, but its not bad its just bluegh.

As to your second point, yup thats pretty much right. Thanks for admitting it.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Is this a House of Dragons thing? I haven't watched it yet if so, it's on my list and mostly waiting for a full season binge

I'm referring to the symbol that appeared on the first and last episodes of GoT season 1, AFAIK might have reappeared at other times of the show.

A frost magic circle thingy opened the show North of the Wall on 1st episode, and Danny's fiery circle concluded the season.

[Veggie50]

Honestly i like most of the show.
My problem is mainly:
1. Galadriel.... fucking hell... why did they make her into a stubborn insolent child. She is allready thousands of years old... it was ok in the first episode but it gets worse and worse every episode. No wonder the humans hate elves...
2. The dude with the sword hilt... same problem but he is ACTUALLY a child so... bit expected
3. Adar... why the ever living fuck did he let him go to "deliver a message"? And then they try to kill him?

I really really like the storyline of the dwarfes and elrond. I like Halbrand.
Hobbits are quite savage to be honest in contrast to their comic relief nature.
Twist your ankle? DEATH!

Can't really "defend" most points, because it's still unclear where the story will move, but I would like to present some arguments for consideration.

1. Galadriel. Yes she's already quite old, but an "insolent child" she is not. Mind you she's actually among royalty within the elves, and has spent 100's of years battling an absolute evil, that people around her now act "doesn't exist" and she should "just chill". The term gaslighting comes to mind. The difference between Galadriel here and Galadriel in LotR seems to me, that she has not yet learned how to deal with obtuseness. I'll be curious to see how this unfolds.

2. In my opinion the show did a bit too little to show that "the southlands" is actually a region that will later fall into "mordor". These peoples ancestors were not very kosjer, so to say. A bit like Germany post WW1 (though for a longer timespan). They hate the outside world (especially elves) because they are blamed for what their ancestors did, several generations ago. The kid then finds an item of obvious power, and we all know how sensitive humanity is to power.

3. The orcs that were in the village looking for swordkid weren't necessarily the same orcs that knew he was released by Adar. As to why he was released to give a message, probably because Adar thinks the watchtower is a deathtrap anyway, and the surrounding lands are already well infiltrated.

Completely agree with you on the dwarven storyline, LOVING seeing more of them. The Harfoots clearly show here that their existence is far from idyllic, and we'll see why they decided to settle in the shire.

[Kumorii]

1. Galadriel. Yes she's already quite old, but an "insolent child" she is not. Mind you she's actually among royalty within the elves, and has spent 100's of years battling an absolute evil, that people around her now act "doesn't exist" and she should "just chill". The term gaslighting comes to mind. The difference between Galadriel here and Galadriel in LotR seems to me, that she has not yet learned how to deal with obtuseness. I'll be curious to see how this unfolds.

That is the problem with her though. She is among royalty. She is the commander of armies. Yet she acts nothing like such.
Other people aren't obtuse at all, considering the only reason she has given to believe the evil is still around is because "why isn't it gone from in here?". She just feels it and we know she is right, but others have no reason whatsoever to believe such. Especially not Númenor.
She acting like a child because others don't fall in line and accept her feelings of something is not them being obtuse and certainly doesn't validate her behaviour.
So I don't agree with that she hasn't learned how to deal with people being obtuse, she hasn't learned that everyone won't just take her word for everything and actually need something to back it up before they make big decisions for her cause.

[Veggie50]

I disagree with several points you make, I'll try to elaborate point by point.

"She is the commander of armies, yet she acts nothing like such". The show tells that we only see the backend of her being a commander. After 100's of years of chasing an enemy you never find, few still followed her, and the final group fell apart after the snowtroll. This is frustrating as hell for her, because she KNOWS the evil is still out there. How? Literally magic, she's well established to have visions.

It is then quite vexing that others keep asking for proof when you yourself are literally the witness. She overplays her position in Numenor, but at this point in time I think humanity felt insignificant to the elves, as is also implied in the southlands. Imagine standing in front of a court of toddlers, blocking you from what you know you need to do, NOW.

[Syegfryed]

and The hobbits... the contrast is too high imho. They act like "the hobbit"-dwarfes who are more silly noises and slapstick then serious stuff. It is just HIGHLY out of place for the overall tone of the show. Like Katy Perry on a Ozzy Osbourne concert. And they are not enough people to let whole familys die just because ONE of them as a sprained ankle.

If you actually pay attention to then, the hobbits are far more demented than humans or elves. They are sick people who left their kin to die when they can keep up and even gather to mock their death

You have one scene saying its their nature to help people and the other saying "no one leave the trail" to a 180° degree of fuck people who can't keep up with the group

Its just one of the few examples of the show contradicting itself, as it cannot keep up with the consistency not just from the lore but from the shit they made up