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    episode 4 and this show is still tepid and boring.

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    Don't care what anyone says about the story, casting, whatever.... the editing of the visuals/audio are so much better than the hobbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    "ThErE iS a TeMpEsT iN mE!!" That line made me cringe. I don't know if it's the writing, directing, or if she just can't act, but I'm really not feeling this Galadriel.
    The line from Celebrimbor also took me back a bit this episode 'oh by the way your father said you would be the one to lead us to victory, it just came to me now' just straight out of nowhere. and said like it was a side note on a script lol.

    There are a a few of dialogues like that in each episode so far, I still think for the most part the dialogue isn't that bad, but at the same time it will throw in something that would totally take you out of the moment that just comes out of no where. :P

    I think it wants to be poetic the way Tolkien was. and whoever they got to emulate that isnt getting it at times.
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    I'm surprised we haven't seen the white buzz-cut priest looking elf yet that appeared in the trailers. If anyone is Sauron or Annatar it is likely that elf despite the vague hints at others. I still think each "viewpoint" should have been a separate episode so we could get the whole story at once. The pacing of the show suffers a little with only a little bit of action and a lot of drama due to switching back and forth.

    I wonder if Amazon will excise their rights to produce spin-offs. Hard to do with the time-compression but maybe we could get a more action-packed show that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    The line from Celebrimbor also took me back a bit this episode 'oh by the way your father said you would be the one to lead us to victory, it just came to me now' just straight out of nowhere. and said like it was a side note on a script lol.
    I wonder if it is a subtle hint at the elves being manipulated. We know Sauron was involved with the rings and maybe Celebrimbor had a moment of clarity from whatever "spell" they are under.
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    This show has some really ugly people in it, watched the first episode and wanted to vomit, just like netflix's witcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    I'm surprised we haven't seen the white buzz-cut priest looking elf yet that appeared in the trailers. If anyone is Sauron or Annatar it is likely that elf despite the vague hints at others.
    Ew, No. Annatar is supposed to look handsome whereas that Eminem wannabe is ugly. It can't be.

    In the depiction of Annatar, they should just copy what Shadow of Mordor did, everyone pretty much agrees that he looks perfect here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post



    I wonder if it is a subtle hint at the elves being manipulated. We know Sauron was involved with the rings and maybe Celebrimbor had a moment of clarity from whatever "spell" they are under.
    Maybe you are right. that would be good, but I am sure there would have been far better ways to exercise that than how thye did. but alas it was one of my only few issues with what was otherwise a pretty fine episode.
    "People fear, not death, but having life taken from them. Many waste the life given to them, occupying themselves with things that do not matter. When the end comes, they say they did not have time enough to spend with loved ones, to fulfill dreams, to go on adventures they only talked about... But why should you fear death if you are happy with the life you have led, if you can look back on everything and say, 'Yes, I am content. It is enough.'" - Wynne ( Dragon Age: Origins.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    I'm surprised we haven't seen the white buzz-cut priest looking elf yet that appeared in the trailers. If anyone is Sauron or Annatar it is likely that elf despite the vague hints at others. I still think each "viewpoint" should have been a separate episode so we could get the whole story at once. The pacing of the show suffers a little with only a little bit of action and a lot of drama due to switching back and forth.

    I wonder if Amazon will excise their rights to produce spin-offs. Hard to do with the time-compression but maybe we could get a more action-packed show that way.

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    I wonder if it is a subtle hint at the elves being manipulated. We know Sauron was involved with the rings and maybe Celebrimbor had a moment of clarity from whatever "spell" they are under.
    The priest is a women though, so she's prolly just another red herring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Ew, No. Annatar is supposed to look handsome whereas that Eminem wannabe is ugly. It can't be.

    In the depiction of Annatar, they should just copy what Shadow of Mordor did, everyone pretty much agrees that he looks perfect here:

    I wouldn't call that one handsome though. I would rather have them use them someone like Cody Fern who actually looks like he could seduce people.
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    Is it just coincidence that Halbrand, a mysterious man whose people were allied with Morgoth and who has an interest in forging things, spoke to Galadriel of identifying what her opponents fear the most so that she could offer them a method of mastering it, a method that conveniently allows her to master her opponents? I mean, I'm banking on all this being a red herring. But the red herrings keep piling up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    The priest is a women though, so she's prolly just another red herring.

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    I wouldn't call that one handsome though. I would rather have them use them someone like Cody Fern who actually looks like he could seduce people.
    I don't usually agree with your posts very much but Cody Fern would make one hell of an Elf, good pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I wouldn't call that one handsome though. I would rather have them use them someone like Cody Fern who actually looks like he could seduce people.
    Yeah but we already acknowledged that you know nothing about that videogame, so you should probably see more scenes of him first before coming to a final conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Yeah but we already acknowledged that you know nothing about that videogame, so you should probably see more scenes of him first before coming to a final conclusion.
    Yeah, because seeing more of him will make him look more attractive to me, sure.

    Imo, Annatar should be able to turn straight man into gays, just from the looks alone. And he should be eye candy for us girls too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    I don't usually agree with your posts very much but Cody Fern would make one hell of an Elf, good pick.
    The actor is irrelevant, the point is that Sauron in Shadow of War matches all the societal criteria of male beauty, including brushed hair and clean-shaved face.

    That's why Halbrand logically doesn't work as Sauron. Outliers and contrarians always exist, but typically the common folk isn't attracted to a guy with messy hair and unkempt stubble.

    Anyone who wishes to play Annatar should at least check those things first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sialina View Post
    I don't usually agree with your posts very much but Cody Fern would make one hell of an Elf, good pick.
    And we know from AHS that he would be able to act as Annatar quite well. So whoever ends up being Annatar now, I will be dissapointed lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Yeah, because seeing more of him will make him look more attractive to me, sure.
    You're obviously just being a contrarian, but Yes, if I wanted to rank how attractive someone is, I would probably look at several photos of them, to see if different camera angles or poses can change my opinion of said person.

    Imo, Annatar should be able to turn straight man into gays, just from the looks alone. And he should be eye candy for us girls too.
    Weird. All that he's supposed to do is persuade people that he's trustworthy, and you won't convince anyone that you're trustworthy if you can't even look after your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The actor is irrelevant, the point is that Sauron in Shadow of War matches all the societal criteria of male beauty, including brushed hair and clean-shaved face.

    That's why Halbrand logically doesn't work as Sauron. Outliers and contrarians always exist, but typically the common folk isn't attracted to a guy with messy hair and unkempt stubble.

    Anyone who wishes to play Annatar should at least check those things first.
    Oh for sure, if Halbrand ends up being Sauron he should change forms once he becomes Annatar. But that's the beauty of Sauron - he can switch to many forms, including that of a wolf and a ... vampire (for .... some reason I guess?^^ did Tolkien ever write about other vampires in middle-earth?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    So any theories on Sauron's appearance?

    Is he the Stranger? Adar? Halbrand?

    I think Sauron is still gonna be a secret till later, and these are all just different characters. Lots of red herrings. I think Halbrand might end up being one of the 9 though, possibly even the Witch King of Angmar.
    I'm like 20 pages behind but I think the stranger is either gandalf or saurman.

    Probably gandalf because connection to hobbits, whispering to fireflies.

    But the part of me that clings to continuity says (while screaming that they're still a few thousand years too early) it would be saurman because "voice-magic" and because he was the first of them to arrive on middle earth.

    But it's probably gandalf because "HEY GUYS LOOK GANDALF!"

    As for halbrand, yeah I think he's either the witch king or at least one of the 9. I don't think saurons been there yet, though I haven't seen todays episode. I do think "Adar" is a red herring though.
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    they went, THEY TEWK MAH JAWB!!! I wonder what great contribution to the writing craft, the next episode will bring?


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    Things are picking up in pace, good... still a tad slow. I think it's due to them jumping around so much to everyone. So the scenes happen quickly, feeling it goes fast, but they are short so it develops slowly.

    The beginning protest I feel they could skip. It went from them supporting the protest kind of heavily and then some guy comes and basically says "Are you men or children?" and then they switch sides. All for the purpose of introducing this good guy for the next scene.
    It was funny that apparently there are servants just waiting for him to yell "Drinks all around" and they come out like a military squad getting the GO signal.

    I think I need to watch something else with Morfydd Clark to see if she actually can act. Because it certainly feels like a director problem since most main characters are just supposed to look stone faced concerned constantly. Stone face, move lips...acting achieved. So far the side characters are the best ones.

    Kinda funny to see Halbrand is a hater as well, he was listing the same problems lots of others have pointed out about Galadriel. Even if they showed some character growth there, it never got used though. Figured she would use it to convince Miriel but the fact she changed her mind was because of her vision and she realized the vision would become true if she denied the Elf. Pointed out by it starting to fall when she was about to leave, not when she arrived as she suspected.

    The "fight scene" was kind of ridiculous again... she pushes one guard and the other 2 just fell into the cell and then she pushed the last one.
    They could've just used 2 guards and it would be fine, but they went with 4 for some reason.
    Side note: When she gets put into the cell she has 2 big circle lines under her eyes. Curious what that was, gone in the next clip of her so I guess an error, but curious of what kind.

    Princess Disa tells Durin "I made sure to have him escorted out".
    yet he wasn't? What was up with that? Did she lie to Durin? Elrond was just sitting there, looking at them. At first I thought he gave an excuse like wanting to take a look of the view or whatever. But when the guards came they apparently had nothing to do with the escorting of him. Feels like something got cut out in the edit here.

    A question, why is princess Disa's eyes the way they are? Does it have anything to do with her ability to sing to the mountain?
    Also, did the Mithril get smoother throughout the scene? At first it was very detailed but when Elrond got it it looked smoother, but I think even the glow looked worse, so my guess is a VFX blunder. No big deal, just a note.

    Theon is still the more interesting bit of the story even though that still develops very slow.
    Bit of a WTF moment with Arondir showed up. I get that Adar wanted to send a message to the people, but why not send some weaker old slave. Instead it's an elf in his prime and even gave him weapons to boot. I guess he didn't tell his orcs that he released him...but then the message would be null if he got killed on the way.
    I hope they explain this more and give a good reason... otherwise I just find it contrived.

    The sneaking sequence felt a bit gamey due to Theon being able to see what the camera sees quite a lot of times.

    They learned how to use slow-motion this time though. Much better use than last time.

    Still think Halbrand will be Sauron, but I don't deny the possibility of a Nazgul/Witch King role.
    Theon will definitely become a Nazgul though.

    5.5/10 I would say. Still don't enjoy the dialogues that much. And yeah the "TEMPEST IN ME" was excruciatingly bad with those flared up eyes but still a stone face somehow.
    Environments looks good, I still have a problem with the greenscreen though, it still feels like they are cut in quite blatantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidicSyn View Post
    I'm like 20 pages behind but I think the stranger is either gandalf or saurman.

    Probably gandalf because connection to hobbits, whispering to fireflies.

    But the part of me that clings to continuity says (while screaming that they're still a few thousand years too early) it would be saurman because "voice-magic" and because he was the first of them to arrive on middle earth.

    But it's probably gandalf because "HEY GUYS LOOK GANDALF!"

    As for halbrand, yeah I think he's either the witch king or at least one of the 9. I don't think saurons been there yet, though I haven't seen todays episode. I do think "Adar" is a red herring though.
    I think Halbrand will be a Nazgul, just not the witch king.

    It’s the witch king of Angmar. Angmar is way in the north… assuming he is actually the rightful king of the southlands, there is no connection. Besides, the other nazgul are “great kings of men” aswell.

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