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[Triceron]

Duh. The point is that not every show does it so holding this show to a different standard is silly.

Again, what the fuck are you even talking about if you're not talking about this show? Why even bother responding if you're not gonna talk about the topic at hand? Stop with this whataboutism, dude. Like, you're literally not saying anything worth discussing here.

Why do other elves need to know that villagers are evacuating? How would they even know when the elves that would notify them got captured? Why can't they be responding "off-screen"?

Because it's bad writing and poor way of conveying information that the audience should have to understand what's actually going on.

Can you actually tell me what's going on at the watchtower and what the plans are other than them literally starving? No, you wouldn't be able to, because the show hasn't set anything up for the audience to draw any reasonable conclusion.

The way the show is set up so far it's gonna be an Orc raid on the Watchtower, and it's probably going to be a mini Helmsdeep situation. And no one knows if there are going to be reinforcements because nothing in the story has actually set up where and what those reinforcements would be. Galadriel and the Numenoreans are still super far away at this point in time, nowhere near the Southlands. No other reinforcements are established in the show, what other military power is even in the area? Some Elf fortress that they never showed us of?

The reason why this is pointed out is because the show is lacking any proper setup for reinforcements to come, so none should be expected if we're going by the show. Helms Deep in LOTR was a completely different situation since the Riders of Rohan were set up to be cavalry that was roaming the countryside and it made complete sense to have Gandalf to seek them out. That was already set up in the narrative. Here, we have nothing of the sort having been set up. Arondir's story is completely self-contained to the troops at the Watchtower and having no other known reinforcements in the area, and it would be a failing of the narrative if they intend to have a deus ex machina solution to the story involving troops we haven't seen in the area before.

[rhorle]

Again, what the fuck are you even talking about if you're not talking about this show?

I am talking about this show as I indicated when I explained what my point is. Why do you continue to respond if you are just going to blather rather than understand the topic? It isn't what aboutism to ask why there is a double standard when it comes to this show and not others. Why things are only bad when this show does it but not others. Why a 1-hour show or 3-hour movie are expected to showcase every last detail of a story in order for it to no longer be called bad.

Because it's bad writing and poor way of conveying information that the audience should have to understand what's actually going on.

Elves coming to the rescue is not needed to understand anything. They didn't have a plan behind get to a safer location. Again you indicate how silly the objections are that you don't know the entire story so therefore it is bad. Can't you watch and find out? Why is it that you need to know the exact plan and every last detail in order for it to be good writing? Lmao. This again shows how much bias those that dislike the show use to find any excuse to further that dislike. You are essentially complaining that chapter 1 of the book doesn't tell you the last chapter and everything in-between. So the book is bad.

[callipygoustp]

Four episodes in and I've already lost interest.

[Rennadrel]

Dey tuk o'r jobs!

The fact that they did a Trump rally scene is cringe as fuck. Especially when you know, elves don't tend to venture out into the realm of men very much in Middle Earth.

[Krimzin]

Four episodes in and I've already lost interest.

I truly appreciate your in depth views on the show. It shows true insight of more than just the story. Your analysis of the series after such a huge time investment shows true dedication and perseverance. If you attack life with the same studious determination it would not surprise me in the least to find out you were a credit to your parents and not a cave dweller, like most assume you are. Thank you again.

[Kumorii]

The fact that they did a Trump rally scene is cringe as fuck. Especially when you know, elves don't tend to venture out into the realm of men very much in Middle Earth.

It's weird, because it can be unintended. However, due to the marketing they had, it's very hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Triceron]

I am talking about this show as I indicated when I explained what my point is. Why do you continue to respond if you are just going to blather rather than understand the topic? It isn't what aboutism to ask why there is a double standard when it comes to this show and not others. Why things are only bad when this show does it but not others. Why a 1-hour show or 3-hour movie are expected to showcase every last detail of a story in order for it to no longer be called bad.

If your point is 'not every show does it' then you're not actually talking about this show, you're talking about other shows. And no one here is holding this to the standard of other shows, we're literally pointing at examples within the show and criticizing how they don't make sense or lack information to draw any reasonable expectations for what is to come. All we know is that the Orcs are going to attack the watchtower, and everything else is 'whatever'.

It isn't what aboutism to ask why there is a double standard when it comes to this show and not others.

What other shows are we talking about? There is no double standard because we're literally talking about THIS show. What don't you understand?

Can't you watch and find out?

Yes, I can watch and find out. And I can point out how poorly this show is unraveling its plot while I'm watching it. These criticisms are all based on what we're getting from the show and what little information we have to work with moving forward.

Just as an example, I criticized how pointless it was to have Galadriel stranded in the middle of the ocean when there are far better outcomes to her plot that don't involve her being stranded at sea, and how it doesn't really make sense why she's there to begin with. Ssomeone pointed out that she's teased to go to Numenor, and then the whole plot made sense from there on. But not through a natural progression of the narrative, rather a 'checkbox' that the writers had to fulfill to put Galadriel in a situation that brings her to Numenor. And it happens to be in the most convoluted way possible, something I will still point out in retrospect to the 4 episodes we have so far. It's practically senseless considering the only reason she's alive is because she has plot armor allowing her to be lucky enough to be picked up by Numenoreans who happened to break their 'No Elves in Numenor' rule to allow her to be there. Understand that 'watching and find out' doesn't resolve any of the nonsense.

[rhorle]

If your point is 'not every show does it' then you're not actually talking about this show, you're talking about other shows.

And yet I'm talking about this show and why it doing what others does is not an issue. You are holding it to a standard greater then other shows which again is my point. Because if it isn't a problem when others shows does it why is it a problem that you aren't told every last detail as soon as possible in this show?

Nothing about the scenes in question doesn't make sense. We can draw reasonable expectations of what is to come and even know some of it because of trailers released. As we know there is a fight sequence at the outpost with Arondir. Are you telling me that you were unable to come to the conclusion that there would be a fight at an outpost refugees took shelter in? Of course everything else is "whatever". Isn't that the point of an unfolding story? That you find out as you go along?

Lmao. You are literally complaining that the first chapter of the book doesn't include the entire story and that you have to read (watch) to find out the story. Holy shit is that hilarious. The double standard is you holding this show to a higher standard when it isn't an issue with other shows. Somehow this show is supposed to cram the entire story into one episode so you can know exactly what happens in future episodes. Strange, right?

[callipygoustp]

I truly appreciate your in depth views on the show. It shows true insight of more than just the story. Your analysis of the series after such a huge time investment shows true dedication and perseverance. If you attack life with the same studious determination it would not surprise me in the least to find out you were a credit to your parents and not a cave dweller, like most assume you are. Thank you again.

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[bledgor]

Well that was...an episode.

On the positives the dwarfs are still largely great (Elrond finding out the super secret password from the kids singing and knowing the hidden door needed/where it was made me facepalm, as well as Durin IV making him swear an oath before giving him a large chunk of mithril), NO HARFOOTS (praise Tolkien), Adar was actually fine and interesting subplot that I could find myself liking, and the show actually had some good lines that sounded Tolkien.

On the negatives, Galadriel continues to be completely insufferable (the guard scene, ugh then climbing the tower like this is assassins creed?), A lot of bad lines still remained (THERE IS A TEMPEST IN ME), the Trump rally/side plot of Elendil's daughter and Pharazon's son, Miriel giving into Galadriels demands (like seriously how can anyone in the show want to do anything other than put a gag in her mouth and bind to a large rock to be thrown into the ocean), and finally the continued abuse of time/fast travel (last episode Elrond never talks to Durin IV about what he needed, but now the tower has already had its base built? We also have him travel back and forth between Eregion and Khazad-Dum like its a walk across the street. It hasn't been the 3 days of Galadriel locked up in the mean time, but who fucking knows time in this story).

Honestly I am moving from the show making me mad to just not caring about next weeks episode/the show. I barely convinced myself to watch the 4th this morning. I know certain people will froth at the mouth for me saying this, but at least at 4 hours into the LoTR trilogy I had a firm grasp on the conflict, the world, had characters I cared about, and much more. This show is trying to setup a lot but it doesn't have the characters/writing to keep me interested while they build the world around them. Will see if I watch the next/continue watching this.

[Triceron]

And yet I'm talking about this show and why it doing what others does is not an issue. You are holding it to a standard greater then other shows which again is my point.

Er?

What other shows have you seen me talk about to imply that this is the only show I have issues with? What are you using to imply I am holding it to a different standard yo any other show?

I criticized Wheel of Time for terrible pacing and narrative focus just as much as I have this show. These two shows share some very glaring fundamental world-building problems.

Lmao. You are literally complaining that the first chapter of the book doesn't include the entire story and that you have to read (watch) to find out the story

If that's what you think then you're absolutely delusional. But again, I'm not surprised considering you think any form of criticism is false criticism.

[DarkAmbient]

I truly appreciate your in depth views on the show. It shows true insight of more than just the story. Your analysis of the series after such a huge time investment shows true dedication and perseverance. If you attack life with the same studious determination it would not surprise me in the least to find out you were a credit to your parents and not a cave dweller, like most assume you are. Thank you again.

Half of an entire season is plenty to judge if a show feels worth watching or not.

[Syegfryed]

Once again for this thread, not you specifically, this post just shows a basic lack of understanding when it comes to typical character motivations shown in soooo much TV/film. She's not trying to commit suicide, she's trying all she can to actually do something to follow up on the fact she believes Sauron is still out there and is going to make his return. What else was she meant to do, just tread water for nobody knows how long and leave Middle Earth's denizens to suffer with a quippy line about how its "not my problem, I need to keep floating"?

Bold of you to say "lack of understanding when comes to motivation" when the show herself does a poor job at showing any real reason to character to do anything.

We all know what represend, of why she leave elfland to follow her goal, it does not matter, because its a retarded way to do, jumping in the ocean miles away from land is boderline suicide because its certain death, and she only gets saved by plot armor

Again, it comes down to the problem of the show having awful writing who can write something to happens that makes sense, the idea is not bad, but the writing is garbage, when they want tosmething to happen they amke something dumb to shorehorn

I dread catching up on the last few days of posts if this is where I'm starting lol I'm ready to ask again how many people have never actually read or seen any piece of media ever...

I just dread of how low your standards to think that is any good. to a point to say "not seen any piece of media", maybe you didn't watch any piece of good media for a while

In contrast, we have 4 episodes, almost 5 hour nothing happened

[Rennadrel]

It's weird, because it can be unintended. However, due to the marketing they had, it's very hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

They did it in The Boys in seasons 2 and 3, so it's not some on the nose joke, it's totally intentional.

[Syegfryed]

Nah, dude, people like you just come across as too fucking stupid to actually understand what you're watching. Its like this with you in Marvel threads, too. Remember the Loki thread? lol

Again, trying to be superior, yet you don't know shit about writing and narrative cohesion

Ah yes the Loki thread where people were that many retard to think a frost giant can get chocked out by a human with a mundane electronic wire, this is the level of stupidity stupid people think its fine, cause they don't want something ith consistency just mindless entertainment

which is perfectly fine if you don't have any standards, just don't pretend that shit is any good.

I don't know its shit. I know it has some problems and that I enjoy it in spite of those. My post lays out most of what I wanted to say on it.

"some problems" HAHAHA what nice way to sugar coat your words man

Also, the warg looks fucking amazing.

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this is amazing, no dude, you must be baiting, not even you can go this low, this is atrocious, this is Eddie from lion king not a worg

for all the problems the hobbit movies have, their orgs are indeed amazing, not those oversized dogs with pug eyes.

Its wild that the guy who supposedly only watched 15mins of episode 1, and the guy that argued all the 1/10 reviews were so legitimate it was a clear sign to not watch any more than he had, are still here commenting on new episodes.

Jokes on you, because i already watched the rest and its as bad and retarded as the last one, if not more, i just didn't have time to say how many shit it was

Cause i can say for example, how the numenorians are retarded and think "elves gona seal their jobs", because the showrunners didn't think of a single decent reason of why the humans would hate the elves.

what is this, some sort of demented allegory of the Germany and the jews? then KArl Marx himself cam everyone out, after they cringe-ly chant "elf lover" to the queen? and someone in a high horse want me to say the 1/10 review is not legitimate? give me a fucking brea, CGI and the visual effects alone can't salvage this crap

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I have to say, the last ep as prob the best one because no demented bipolar hobbits

Which nothing much to say, cause still was awful all together

[UnifiedDivide]

The fact that they did a Trump rally scene is cringe as fuck. Especially when you know, elves don't tend to venture out into the realm of men very much in Middle Earth.

Trump rally? What you actually saw is just typical human behaviour.

[Syegfryed]

On the positives the dwarfs are still largely great (Elrond finding out the super secret password from the kids singing and knowing the hidden door needed/where it was made me facepalm, as well as Durin IV making him swear an oath before giving him a large chunk of mithril), NO HARFOOTS (praise Tolkien), Adar was actually fine and interesting subplot that I could find myself liking, and the show actually had some good lines that sounded Tolkien.

Same here, but, i think adar thing with the white orcs was kinda way too cringe for me, but meh whatever, not the worst

And, have to say, Elrond is showed to be a massive moron, He went to the dwarf to seek help, and this fucker continue lying saying he went there ebcause it was time to see his friend

Thus far, the show want you to like characters who are either insufferable or liars

[UnifiedDivide]

In contrast, we have 4 episodes, almost 5 hour nothing happened

Not gonna reply to everything because, let's be honest, phone posting is awful.

But I'm just gonna ask, if you're clearly not enjoying what you're watching, or think nothing has really happened, why are you still watching?

Why are you even expecting huge things to be happening when this is planned for 5 seasons? You'll get the Sauron reveal at the end of the season and that'll be the end of S1.

[Syegfryed]

Not gonna reply to everything because, let's be honest, phone posting is awful.

But I'm just gonna ask, if you're clearly not enjoying what you're watching, or think nothing has really happened, why are you still watching?

Why are you even expecting huge things to be happening when this is planned for 5 seasons? You'll get the Sauron reveal at the end of the season and that'll be the end of S1.

Because i apparently need to watch so i can give people/friends a review, and so people cannot bitch about "you didn't even watch the show how can you know its bad??!?!"

And, there is some sort of thing like watching a trainwreck or a car accident in the news, you know whats gonna happen, but you still watch it anyway, just to see the end.

[UnifiedDivide]

Again, trying to be superior, yet you don't know shit about writing and narrative cohesion

Sigh... ok, I'll reply properly to this one.

I don't need to try to be superior here. You can try tell me I don't know about writing or narrative cohesion, but in each post you just show how little you understand those words. You are genuinely too fucking stupid to get the point of even basic things in RoP like Galadriel's motivations, despite mentioning them and saying they don't matter /facepalm

You just want to hate. Which is why you're still watching, so you can make the hating even easier.

which is perfectly fine if you don't have any standards, just don't pretend that shit is any good.

I see the new preferred line for people to use is saying they don't have standards. Wonder who you all watched to get that one organised.

"some problems" HAHAHA what nice way to sugar coat your words man

Where is the sugarcoating? Does it not have some problems?

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this is amazing, no dude, you must be baiting, not even you can go this low, this is atrocious, this is Eddie from lion king not a worg

for all the problems the hobbit movies have, their orgs are indeed amazing, not those oversized dogs with pug eyes.

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The warg in RoP is what they're supposed to look like lmao. They're not supposed to look fluffy. Change the facial expression and it's... cute.

If you can't see the quality in the RoP warg you're either blind, or willingly choosing to hate something that is good. Industry folks that work in CG are literally praising it for how good it is. Or were they all just paid by Amazon to say it was good?

Jokes on you, because i already watched the rest and its as bad and retarded as the last one, if not more, i just didn't have time to say how many shit it was

Joke not on me because I wasn't talking about you lol

what is this, some sort of demented allegory of the Germany and the jews? then KArl Marx himself cam everyone out, after they cringe-ly chant "elf lover" to the queen? and someone in a high horse want me to say the 1/10 review is not legitimate? give me a fucking brea, CGI and the visual effects alone can't salvage this crap

What in the everliving fuck was this word salad meant to be?

Again, if it can't be savaged, stop watching it, ffs.

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Because i apparently need to watch so i can give people/friends a review, and so people cannot bitch about "you didn't even watch the show how can you know its bad??!?!"

And, there is some sort of thing like watching a trainwreck or a car accident in the news, you know whats gonna happen, but you still watch it anyway, just to see the end.

You could literally just say to them it was bad enough that you stopped watching at X episode lol No need to torture yourself with the whole thing.