Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Kumorii]

Love the "gatekeepers" on this thread telling people what they should feel about the show, and the bashing\arguments that follow if\when they disagree with it.

yup, sucks when people come in and tell others they shouldn't dislike the show and argue that the reasons are wrong.

[Triceron]

It's steering pretty far from a normal discussion when anyone that likes the show is frequently called a 'shill'. But sure, let this become another StarCitizen megathread for a couple more hundred pages.

Nah, that would be people telling others they can't criticize the show and needlessly defend against negativity.

Otherwise we have plenty of discussion on the good parts of the show too. The sad thing is there aren't many good things to really discuss and it doesn't hold deep discussion because everything in the show is revealed in a surface level need-to-know basis.

Like what good things should we even talk about here? I'll bet it won't last a page. It'd be a couple people agreeing the Dwarf parts are good and that's about it.

[rogoth]

yup, sucks when people come in and tell others they shouldn't dislike the show and argue that the reasons are wrong.

careful now, you might confuse the poor guy with logic.

[s_bushido]

I suppose I just consider it another dark souls because the combat, story telling, and artistic style are all the same. It's just a new world that now happens to be massive and open to freely roam. They didn't mess with the core aspects of a game. The lore might as well be dark souls because it feels nearly identical.

A funny post, given that you described RoP's relationship to the previous Jackson movies to a tee. It's the same shit, just with different stories and different characters...

[Darkarath]

After watching the first three episodes, I think that we can agree that RoP looks really good, good as one of the best tv shows ever done in that regard. And... That is all.

I read several Tolkien books and I think that I am a fan of his work, but there are people in this thread that know waaaay too much. I am aware that the show do not respect many aspects of the books, but what the hell do you expect? It is an adaptation of the books. And do not get me on the racial bullshit, because I could not give a shit about it, even if all the characters were blue. Those are not the problems of the show. And I do not know shit about acting, but all the actors seem pretty good to me.

The problem is that I LOVE medieval fantasy and I LOVE TLotR, and in three episodes my reaction always was, "meh". Do not ask me why, but I saw a few hours ago the first episode of House of the Dragon, and fuck, I am absolutely hooked, its SO much better than RoP, even if it looks way worst than RoP (not saying that it looks bad, in fact it looks amazing, but RoP is way better in that regard IMO).

The difference might be that House of the Dragon is telling me a story for adults, and RoP is telling me a story as if I were a stupid kid.

Ok so Galadriel jumps ship in the middle of the ocean. OK. Casually a boat of people from a veeeery far away land are passing by. Like in that exact point in the middle of an ocean. NICE. So they get attacked by giant fish and everybody dies except Galadriel and a guy, who, guess what, is a King. ALRIGHT. In the middle of an ocean, casually, a ship from Numenor saves them. Yes, a ship that was passing just by the very little raft in which our heroes were. AWESOME. You will not believe this, but the captain of that ship is just one of the veeeery few people that would befriend an elf in Numenor. AMAZING. And that guy leads Galadriel to some documents that help her to continue looking for Sauron. WHAT AN INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE.

You get the idea. You can apply this process to many parts of the show and the result is "meh". I will probably keep watching it because I really like the dwarves and Arondir and Elrond, even if their adventures are designed by morons.

[Xath]

Again, "Side 2" isn't praising the show..."side 2" is saying "hey, maybe it will be good, though". That is not an extreme position.

Calling out "side 1" for being bigots is not the same thing as defending the show.

I have to admit I do enjoy how consistently dishonest you are.

[Mace]

Watched episode 4, I liked it, esp for what it is.

But it's not Lord of the rings, that isnt Galadrial elves arent wrinkled like humans, even at great age, etc.

They either needed a new character, or completely re write Galadrial, as well as undo all their changes ,

Still for what it is it's not bad, it just isnt LotR

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I have to admit I do enjoy how consistently dishonest you are.

Point out where I'm being dishonest.

Keep in mind that the post you quoted was from BEFORE the show was even released.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Jeez I totally forgot that connection. Yeah that makes even less sense now that the mark is supposed to be a map and a plan. Why is it appearing on the most random of places. It's on an anvil. It's on a blade. It's marked on dead bodies. What are the writers hoping to get across here?

Trying to emulate GoT which had a recurring mark showing up?

[Syegfryed]

A funny post, given that you described RoP's relationship to the previous Jackson movies to a tee. It's the same shit, just with different stories and different characters...

But with bad writing, bad acting, plot holes, nonsenses and butchered lore, ignoring that, yep, same shit

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Trying to emulate GoT which had a recurring mark showing up?

Pretty sure it was just trying to emluate the Great eye in a eye to bring nostalgia, they thou8gh it would be clever or something. But we can pass up the possibility of something they took from GOT, since it seems this show want to be.

[Xath]

Point out where I'm being dishonest.

Keep in mind that the post you quoted was from BEFORE the show was even released.

Because there were significant indicators outside of just casting before the show was released. They had already said they were compressing the timeline and the trailers had already shown a lack of care in costuming in particular.

[SuperKarateDeathCar]

You know it's funny because the same 5 or so people repeatedly talking about how absolutely awful every single possible aspect of the show is down to even the tiniest little things, but they keep watching it from week to week without fail. If you hate it that much, move on. You're only 4 episodes in, you're out practically nothing. All you're doing is literally supporting the show by "hate"-watching it and driving up the viewership. I just do not understand this mentality that seems so prevalent these days. I think Fear the Walking Dead is an absolute joke of a show. Guess what I don't do? I DON'T watch it every week, I don't post about it multiple times a day, I don't obsess over every detail. I just stopped watching it and moved on.

[Xath]

You know it's funny because the same 5 or so people repeatedly talking about how absolutely awful every single possible aspect of the show is down to even the tiniest little things, but they keep watching it from week to week without fail. If you hate it that much, move on. You're only 4 episodes in, you're out practically nothing. All you're doing is literally supporting the show by "hate"-watching it and driving up the viewership. I just do not understand this mentality that seems so prevalent these days. I think Fear the Walking Dead is an absolute joke of a show. Guess what I don't do? I DON'T watch it every week, I don't post about it multiple times a day, I don't obsess over every detail. I just stopped watching it and moved on.

Long stopped watching doesn't mean I can't check summaries and see what new errors they made this week.

[s_bushido]

Trying to emulate GoT which had a recurring mark showing up?

Eh, the mark being a representation of some mountains, instead of a rune (or whatever she thought it was initially) doesn't have to be anything more significant than that. It's still just a symbol that can be used to show allegiance. People use icons/symbols/letters to represent all sorts of shit IRL. Some of it literal, some of it more esoteric.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Because there were significant indicators outside of just casting before the show was released. They had already said they were compressing the timeline and the trailers had already shown a lack of care in costuming in particular.

None of that has anything to do with what you referred to as being dishonest.

Read it again:

Again, "Side 2" isn't praising the show..."side 2" is saying "hey, maybe it will be good, though". That is not an extreme position.

Calling out "side 1" for being bigots is not the same thing as defending the show.

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Long stopped watching doesn't mean I can't check summaries and see what new errors they made this week.

AKA: "I stopped watching the show...so now i just regurgitate someone else's opinions"

[SuperKarateDeathCar]

Long stopped watching doesn't mean I can't check summaries and see what new errors they made this week.

Why do you care? You don't like the show. Also I don't think you can claim you "long stopped watching" when it's 4th episode barely came out XD

[Xath]

Why do you care? You don't like the show.

Because I care about the property it is based on and I don't like seeing it trampled on? They are also contractually obligated to make 5 seasons of this so changes they make now will spiral.

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None of that has anything to do with what you referred to as being dishonest.

Read it again:



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AKA: "I stopped watching the show...so now i just regurgitate someone else's opinions"

Facts aren't opinions. I'm talking about verifiable changes not things people think might happen.

In your idiotic posts you claimed that side 1 was bigoted while side 2 was not. You claimed the only reason that people could have questions about the show was being bigoted. Even ignoring casting there were significant issues that were already apparent at that point.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

In your idiotic posts you claimed that side 1 was bigoted while side 2 was not. You claimed the only reason that people could have questions about the show was being bigoted. Even ignoring casting there were significant issues that were already apparent at that point.

No, my posts said that calling people out for being bigots is not defending the show and the "extreme position" that was being presented by that side was "Hey, maybe it will be good".

[Triceron]

Trying to emulate GoT which had a recurring mark showing up?

Is this a House of Dragons thing? I haven't watched it yet if so, it's on my list and mostly waiting for a full season binge

[bledgor]

Why do you care? You don't like the show. Also I don't think you can claim you "long stopped watching" when it's 4th episode barely came out XD

Why do you care that people are upset? Maybe realize people love Tolkien, and when they heard about the show they wanted it to be amazing, but recent expectations (especially from Amazon) made them weary, and the show has so far largely justified it.

RoP is a very pretty steaming pile of mediocre. The dialogue is abysmal, the characters range from terrible to good, it strays very far from the source material, and the plot line is all over the place in the worst ways, having little progress while having very nonsensical moments (including the suicide attempt by Galadriel to be saved dues ex machina twice).

The fact that a show with a billion dollar budget based on Tolkiens work is so mediocre at best pisses people off because with the right team producing and writing it the show could have been one of the greatest shows ever, and instead its forgettable generic fantasy.