Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[s_bushido]

Its quite sad that people go so low to the point of saying tolkien work is toilet, not the show, his work

If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

[jonnysensible]

Its quite sad that people go so low to the point of saying tolkien work is toilet, not the show, his work

anyone who says they enjoyed The Silmarillion is lying.

dont tell me you are a big Farmer Giles of Ham fan

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If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

nah lotr would be a storm still

[s_bushido]

nah lotr would be a storm still

/shrug I obviously have my doubts.

At this point I put his work on the level of the old classics that you'd be assigned to read in English class in high school. The stuff may be technically good, but...I don't know...it's just not as exciting as it may have once been.

[Syegfryed]

If Tolkien came out today, no one would care. He's notable because he basically got the fantasy genre ball rolling, not be cause anyone really gives a shit about his supposed creative/literary genius.

And what basis do you have for that outside the one from where you sit?

Like, trying to mock his work in a vain tentative to defend the show - because you have no argument - is some next level for sure

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anyone who says they enjoyed The Silmarillion is lying.

dont tell me you are a big Farmer Giles of Ham fan

Then why a company like amazon is wasting billions for just some pages?

[BeepBoo]

So the new thing that lots of people love that will help save the planet is supposed to the show? Poor metaphor that just really shows how much people reach to try to crap on something. Not to mention Ford is having a gas Mustang as part of their line up and Ford says the success of the the Mach-E convinced them to still offer the old mustang.

That's a lie. The mustang is still a killer seller without the mach e. Also, a faithful mustang would have been a coupe with EV. It's not the EV that's the problem. It's the fact that it's an SUV EV incorrectly wearing the mustang nameplate trying to convince us it's cool by doing so. Also, if the mustang was in actual jeopardy due to no longer being feasible, I'd rather it just die and them invent a new car name for the mach e.

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I have no idea what this even means. If there's a market for an electric Mustang, people will buy it. If there's a market for a LotR show with [insert feature that outrange merchants are pissing their pants over], people will watch it. End of story.

Go look at the mach e. It's not a mustang. It's an SUV.

Look, the show is alright. It has some really bad writing and some lore inconsistencies. I'm gonna keep watching it, but it's definitely worthy of some heavy criticism.

[bledgor]

this part is true. Outside of lotr and ze hobbit the rest is fucking toilet.

quite funny that appeal at the end 'this could have been the greatest show ever'. Go write it then pal. You have an imagined idea of what you want which will never measure up to anything anyone else produces. Entirely unrealistic expectations. Impossible to please.

If Tolkien outside of those is so bad why are you here? You just admitted the show couldn't be good for you as it is based on "fucking toilet".

I don't have to write it mate, it was already written. Yet you are the one claiming to be an expert and able to call it crap? Ego much? I mean I guess the rest of us in the literary world are just idiot chumps compared to you.

[Veggie50]

I believe it’s well established that while the world he has created is amazing, Tolkien’s not an amazing writer. His stories lack planning and can be a drudge at points.

That’s not what his work is lauded for though. It’s the depth of the lore, the care for the cultures depicted. One can read his works and imagine the living world.

I read the silmarillion long ago, and it was a fuckin chore. What I loved most about it, is that “the lord of the rings”, the epic that sparked the mania, was just a single chapter in history, and really not a very major one. That perspective blew me away.

So, is Tolkien “toilet”? Not by any means, but if you judge him just on his narrative planning, he’s definitely not good.

[jonnysensible]

If Tolkien outside of those is so bad why are you here? You just admitted the show couldn't be good for you as it is based on "fucking toilet".

I don't have to write it mate, it was already written. Yet you are the one claiming to be an expert and able to call it crap? Ego much? I mean I guess the rest of us in the literary world are just idiot chumps compared to you.

The show isn't good its boring and tepid. I'm trying to hate watch it, but its not bad its just bluegh.

As to your second point, yup thats pretty much right. Thanks for admitting it.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Is this a House of Dragons thing? I haven't watched it yet if so, it's on my list and mostly waiting for a full season binge

I'm referring to the symbol that appeared on the first and last episodes of GoT season 1, AFAIK might have reappeared at other times of the show.

A frost magic circle thingy opened the show North of the Wall on 1st episode, and Danny's fiery circle concluded the season.

[VinceVega]

Honestly i like most of the show.
My problem is mainly:
1. Galadriel.... fucking hell... why did they make her into a stubborn insolent child. She is allready thousands of years old... it was ok in the first episode but it gets worse and worse every episode. No wonder the humans hate elves...
2. The dude with the sword hilt... same problem but he is ACTUALLY a child so... bit expected
3. Adar... why the ever living fuck did he let him go to "deliver a message"? And then they try to kill him?

I really really like the storyline of the dwarfes and elrond. I like Halbrand.
Hobbits are quite savage to be honest in contrast to their comic relief nature.
Twist your ankle? DEATH!

[Veggie50]

Honestly i like most of the show.
My problem is mainly:
1. Galadriel.... fucking hell... why did they make her into a stubborn insolent child. She is allready thousands of years old... it was ok in the first episode but it gets worse and worse every episode. No wonder the humans hate elves...
2. The dude with the sword hilt... same problem but he is ACTUALLY a child so... bit expected
3. Adar... why the ever living fuck did he let him go to "deliver a message"? And then they try to kill him?

I really really like the storyline of the dwarfes and elrond. I like Halbrand.
Hobbits are quite savage to be honest in contrast to their comic relief nature.
Twist your ankle? DEATH!

Can't really "defend" most points, because it's still unclear where the story will move, but I would like to present some arguments for consideration.

1. Galadriel. Yes she's already quite old, but an "insolent child" she is not. Mind you she's actually among royalty within the elves, and has spent 100's of years battling an absolute evil, that people around her now act "doesn't exist" and she should "just chill". The term gaslighting comes to mind. The difference between Galadriel here and Galadriel in LotR seems to me, that she has not yet learned how to deal with obtuseness. I'll be curious to see how this unfolds.

2. In my opinion the show did a bit too little to show that "the southlands" is actually a region that will later fall into "mordor". These peoples ancestors were not very kosjer, so to say. A bit like Germany post WW1 (though for a longer timespan). They hate the outside world (especially elves) because they are blamed for what their ancestors did, several generations ago. The kid then finds an item of obvious power, and we all know how sensitive humanity is to power.

3. The orcs that were in the village looking for swordkid weren't necessarily the same orcs that knew he was released by Adar. As to why he was released to give a message, probably because Adar thinks the watchtower is a deathtrap anyway, and the surrounding lands are already well infiltrated.

Completely agree with you on the dwarven storyline, LOVING seeing more of them. The Harfoots clearly show here that their existence is far from idyllic, and we'll see why they decided to settle in the shire.

[Kumorii]

1. Galadriel. Yes she's already quite old, but an "insolent child" she is not. Mind you she's actually among royalty within the elves, and has spent 100's of years battling an absolute evil, that people around her now act "doesn't exist" and she should "just chill". The term gaslighting comes to mind. The difference between Galadriel here and Galadriel in LotR seems to me, that she has not yet learned how to deal with obtuseness. I'll be curious to see how this unfolds.

That is the problem with her though. She is among royalty. She is the commander of armies. Yet she acts nothing like such.
Other people aren't obtuse at all, considering the only reason she has given to believe the evil is still around is because "why isn't it gone from in here?". She just feels it and we know she is right, but others have no reason whatsoever to believe such. Especially not Númenor.
She acting like a child because others don't fall in line and accept her feelings of something is not them being obtuse and certainly doesn't validate her behaviour.
So I don't agree with that she hasn't learned how to deal with people being obtuse, she hasn't learned that everyone won't just take her word for everything and actually need something to back it up before they make big decisions for her cause.

[Veggie50]

I disagree with several points you make, I'll try to elaborate point by point.

"She is the commander of armies, yet she acts nothing like such". The show tells that we only see the backend of her being a commander. After 100's of years of chasing an enemy you never find, few still followed her, and the final group fell apart after the snowtroll. This is frustrating as hell for her, because she KNOWS the evil is still out there. How? Literally magic, she's well established to have visions.

It is then quite vexing that others keep asking for proof when you yourself are literally the witness. She overplays her position in Numenor, but at this point in time I think humanity felt insignificant to the elves, as is also implied in the southlands. Imagine standing in front of a court of toddlers, blocking you from what you know you need to do, NOW.

[VinceVega]

Can't really "defend" most points, because it's still unclear where the story will move, but I would like to present some arguments for consideration.

1. Galadriel. Yes she's already quite old, but an "insolent child" she is not. Mind you she's actually among royalty within the elves, and has spent 100's of years battling an absolute evil, that people around her now act "doesn't exist" and she should "just chill". The term gaslighting comes to mind. The difference between Galadriel here and Galadriel in LotR seems to me, that she has not yet learned how to deal with obtuseness. I'll be curious to see how this unfolds.

2. In my opinion the show did a bit too little to show that "the southlands" is actually a region that will later fall into "mordor". These peoples ancestors were not very kosjer, so to say. A bit like Germany post WW1 (though for a longer timespan). They hate the outside world (especially elves) because they are blamed for what their ancestors did, several generations ago. The kid then finds an item of obvious power, and we all know how sensitive humanity is to power.

3. The orcs that were in the village looking for swordkid weren't necessarily the same orcs that knew he was released by Adar. As to why he was released to give a message, probably because Adar thinks the watchtower is a deathtrap anyway, and the surrounding lands are already well infiltrated.

Completely agree with you on the dwarven storyline, LOVING seeing more of them. The Harfoots clearly show here that their existence is far from idyllic, and we'll see why they decided to settle in the shire.

1. Galadriel is still an allready more than accomplished leader at this time.
Storming into the throne room and basically demanding whatnot depsite full well being aware, that they are not really on good terms is just stupid.
At that point in time Galadriel is not just a meddling swordsman/women.... she is allready quite proficiant in everything including "magic" and one of the oldest being in middle earth^^
She even gets compared to someones children at one point.
Gild-Galad, the dude crowning them is 100 years younger than she is.

2. This storyline i keep being wary. He child is just unlikable. Maybe the mother is to blame.

3. The storyline is not that far spread.

and The hobbits... the contrast is too high imho. They act like "the hobbit"-dwarfes who are more silly noises and slapstick then serious stuff. It is just HIGHLY out of place for the overall tone of the show. Like Katy Perry on a Ozzy Osbourne concert. And they are not enough people to let whole familys die just because ONE of them as a sprained ankle.

[Syegfryed]

and The hobbits... the contrast is too high imho. They act like "the hobbit"-dwarfes who are more silly noises and slapstick then serious stuff. It is just HIGHLY out of place for the overall tone of the show. Like Katy Perry on a Ozzy Osbourne concert. And they are not enough people to let whole familys die just because ONE of them as a sprained ankle.

If you actually pay attention to then, the hobbits are far more demented than humans or elves. They are sick people who left their kin to die when they can keep up and even gather to mock their death

You have one scene saying its their nature to help people and the other saying "no one leave the trail" to a 180° degree of fuck people who can't keep up with the group

Its just one of the few examples of the show contradicting itself, as it cannot keep up with the consistency not just from the lore but from the shit they made up

[Kumorii]

I disagree with several points you make, I'll try to elaborate point by point.

"She is the commander of armies, yet she acts nothing like such". The show tells that we only see the backend of her being a commander. After 100's of years of chasing an enemy you never find, few still followed her, and the final group fell apart after the snowtroll. This is frustrating as hell for her, because she KNOWS the evil is still out there. How? Literally magic, she's well established to have visions.

It is then quite vexing that others keep asking for proof when you yourself are literally the witness. She overplays her position in Numenor, but at this point in time I think humanity felt insignificant to the elves, as is also implied in the southlands. Imagine standing in front of a court of toddlers, blocking you from what you know you need to do, NOW.

This has nothing to do with them being obtuse. Asking for more proof than "trust me bro" isn't being obtuse. Obtuse would be being presented good arguments and even some proof and still be unsure because you aren't 100% convinced or still think your way is the way to go despite what's being shown, dismissing what's presented or flat out denying it. But she haven't presented anything... there's nothing to deny.
They aren't toddlers nor are they acting like they are. Galadriel is however... not sure where the show established she have visions. Maybe I missed it, I only remember "Why isn't gone from in here?" line... which doesn't imply visions, it implies she has a feeling about it.

If you are being vexed about people not trusting your word when it comes to serious and sever implications, maybe realise that you need more than just your word. That's a problem on your part, or in this case, Galadriels; and has nothing to do with others being obtuse. They are being rational in demanding more than just trusting her. Especially when she acts like she does, she isn't behaving like a trustworthy person. If they want to make this into a character arc, I'm all for it, I rather have them move towards resolving that arc asap because now she just reminds me of teenagers who KNOWS everything because they feel like they do and everyone else JUST DON'T GET THEM.

[Dhrizzle]

I wonder if it is a subtle hint at the elves being manipulated. We know Sauron was involved with the rings and maybe Celebrimbor had a moment of clarity from whatever "spell" they are under.

What Celebrimbor actually says is Earendil told him his future would be in his son's (Elrond's) hands. It seems a natural place to remember that conversation as Elrond had just secured Celebrimbor's future.

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Thats a good point, he's supposed to be the rightful king of the southlands, so yeah indeed not angmar. I missed that.

I'm not 100% sure but weren't the Southlanders moved there after the War of Wrath? I did think it was their ancestral home.

It's also irrelevant, the Witch King wasn't from Angmar, he established Angmar in the Third Age to rival the Numenorean kingdoms.

[Kumorii]

About the meteor guy.

Galadriel established during the opening scene that the evil is so great that their torches have no warmth.
When Nori falls down the hole, she calls out "It's not hot...".

You think this is a connection between the two? It's hard to say with the contrivances in the story so far and a lot of the comments, dialog and events tend to focus on spectacle rather than story.

But that would imply this could be Sauron (no idea how lore accurate that would be, I would imagine Sauron never left Middle Earth).
Or it could be Saruman and not Gandalf. But Saruman wouldn't arrive "evil" and instead should've been corrupted or allied himself to Sauron later on.

What other evil characters do we know of he could be if this connection is to be true?

EDIT: Could also imply that Not-Gandalf was imprisoned in the meteor by evil forces for some reason or akin to that.

[Dhrizzle]

Can you actually tell me what's going on at the watchtower and what the plans are other than them literally starving? No, you wouldn't be able to, because the show hasn't set anything up for the audience to draw any reasonable conclusion.

Do you actually watch the show? It's made clear as day that they don't have any plans. The Southlanders aren't militarily experienced, quite the opposite in fact, so all they've done is panic and flee to the most secure spot. It's a major plot point that they have no plans and are in danger of starving to death, how can you watch that and then complain they haven't told you what those non-existent plans are?

[Veggie50]

About the meteor guy.

Galadriel established during the opening scene that the evil is so great that their torches have no warmth.
When Nori falls down the hole, she calls out "It's not hot...".

You think this is a connection between the two? It's hard to say with the contrivances in the story so far and a lot of the comments, dialog and events tend to focus on spectacle rather than story.

But that would imply this could be Sauron (no idea how lore accurate that would be, I would imagine Sauron never left Middle Earth).
Or it could be Saruman and not Gandalf. But Saruman wouldn't arrive "evil" and instead should've been corrupted or allied himself of Sauron later on.

What other evil characters do we know of he could be if this connection is to be true?

To quote the lotr: “the enemy would look fairer, but feel fouler”. The meteor guy isn’t fair enough to be evil, if you ask me.