Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[InfiniteCharger]

There is an attention to detail displayed on the show. They use references to things Tolkien wrote to embellish upon. Again just because it isn't a 1:1 copy doesn't mean they are not respecting his work. This just shows how much "respect" is used as a nebulous concept to dismiss anything.

I mentioned specifically attention to detail and you said embellish. Changing the story of Tolkien isn't "attention to detail".

How has this series portrayed passage of time in the movement across regions and areas with the attention to detail of how things changed from place to place?

[rhorle]

I mentioned specifically attention to detail and you said embellish. Changing the story of Tolkien isn't "attention to detail".

Attention to detail is not the same thing as changing the story. Jackson changed the story and had an attention to detail.

[s_bushido]

So, we're gonna get Witchered with the timeline reveals at the final episodes.

I think you're way overcomplicating this. Humans are susceptible to falling to evil. It happened before (with Halbrand's implication and the reason the watchtower was established in the first place) and it's happening again (with the people who left the watchtower to seek out Adar). I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that just seems like an unnecessary contrivance...and it would deflate the stakes we're supposed to feel with Galadriel lobbying for help on her quest in the first place.

[bledgor]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

[s_bushido]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone.

And?

"It's different, therefore bad" isn't the knockdown argument people seem to think it is.

Neither is "they're not sticking to the story we refused to give them the rights to use in the first place." If Tolkien purists don't like the liberties the showrunners are taking with Tolkien lore, maybe they should direct their ire towards those who are keeping that lore so restricted.

[rhorle]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

Did they though? Could it be another lie or misdirection in order to get Elrond to convince the dwarves? Maybe a Lord of Gifts is both corrupting the tree and supplying obscure legends in order to secure the Mithril that is needed for the the rings? It seems clear that something is influencing the elves as we also have them sending Galadriel away in order to stop the spread of corruption.

Though they do show her believing she could fall to the darkness by going one step to far in her quest to defeat it. Though that could also be the lingering effects of Sauron.

[Adamas102]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

Massive deviation? Tolkien never did flesh out an origin for mithril, nor does a Silmaril being a part in its creation deviate greatly from how the gems ended up, lost and inaccessible but their light still present in the earth, sea, and sky of Arda. This just sounds more like whining from the forever-looking-for-excuses crowd.

[rogoth]

Massive deviation? Tolkien never did flesh out an origin for mithril, nor does a Silmaril being a part in its creation deviate greatly from how the gems ended up, lost and inaccessible but their light still present in the earth, sea, and sky of Arda. This just sounds more like whining from the forever-looking-for-excuses crowd.

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:



in what universe does this pass the sniff test?

[bledgor]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:



in what universe does this pass the sniff test?

Just ignore the bad faith trolls, pretty sure if Tolkien came back from the grave and said this isn't his story they would just call him racist and say he is wrong.

NGL not surprised about the crowd considering in the first episode they couldn't keep the same number of elves with Galadriel in each scene. Seriously though, where did all the money go? Like the customs are mid tier at best, cosplay tier in several cases, basically all of the actors are no names, they apparently don't want to pay for extras, and after the big landscape shots that are well done they always go to some small room within seconds. How are they spending what ~$60 million an episode here?

[Iheartnathanos]

There have been plenty of movies and shows based on Dickens's work. What was the last one you cared to see? What was the last one you posted about on a forum?

People care about (or at least pretend to for the sake of culture war outrage bait) LotR stuff precisely because so much money has been pumped into the movie franchise, and continues to be pumped into projects like this. You may not like that, but your feelings don't dictate reality. Sorry.

And again, the movies and shows have nothing to do with the cultural impact the works they're based on may or may not have had before they came out.

You are confusing ‘franchise’ with ‘adaptation’

[Marshyyy]

Problem solved

[rhorle]

They just disabled it weeks ago in order that the rating doesn’t drop.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/th...iews?type=user

Funny then that it shows people rating, and reviewing, 15 mins ago. It was an hour ago when I first loaded the page so it is showing reviews from people. I'm not sure why you created an account here just to complain about RT though.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I wonder if am the only one who can’t rate rings of power on rotten tomatoes?

Every series or movie when i scroll down i can rate.

Expect rings of power.

It’s also worth to mention that the Audience Score is 39% for weeks without 1% in change, either down or up.

I can’t rate it there.

And it appears Amazon is deleting ratings on their website to this day.

1 star ratings that got approved, you can’t find them when you click in the confirmation mail.

Other ratings are rejected because of reasons.

Google it on YouTube amazon deletes rings of power ratings

But it’s weird that rotten rating isn’t moving and you can’t rate it for weeks.

I contacted the rotten support and asked why i can’t rate it here is the response:

September 08

Thank you for contacting Fandango, we are reviewing your request and will respond as quickly as possible.
Please allow up to 72 hours to receive a response.

September 12

Thank you for your email and interest in Rotten Tomatoes.

Your Inquiry has been sent to the appropriate department.

Since than no reply, and ghosting. Replied two times and never got a answer

Edit:

Created a fresh account (go on rotten and sign up) and you can’t rate rings of power all other movies are allowed and other series expect rings of power.

Fuck that that’s the explanation why the Audience Score isn’t moving down or up.

They just disabled it weeks ago in order that the rating doesn’t drop.

Hi universalgirl, another ban evading account. You're gonna bombard us with woke gifs again?

[Marshyyy]

Funny then that it shows people rating, and reviewing, 15 mins ago. It was an hour ago when I first loaded the page so it is showing reviews from people. I'm not sure why you created an account here just to complain about RT though.

Problem solved, still suspicious what happened.

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In the preface to her scintillating picture book of poems for young readers, Mahogany L. Browne provides this definition of “woke”:

It means to be aware. It means to see your surroundings and challenge how we strengthen our relationship with the government, the community, and nature. To be WOKE is to fight for your civil rights and to fight for the rights of your neighbors…The idea of being aware of your surroundings, especially in a time when we are taught to be quiet and not rock the boat, can be difficult to embrace, but this is where our freedom begins.

The events of the last week are calling us to become woke. They are calling us to listen, especially to Black voices unleashing decades of pain and injustice. They are calling us to expand our bookshelves and our social media feeds to include more voices of color (hereweeread and theconsciouskid are a great place to start for parents). They are calling us to talk to our children about difficult topics like race, privilege, and racism and help them revise their summer reading lists to include stories by people of color. They are calling us to begin the uncomfortable and long-overdue work of examining the way our own whiteness makes us complicit in the sickness of systemic racism, because until we change what’s in our hearts, we can’t lead our children to do the same.

So you need to adapt it into a Fantasy Show?

[Biomega]

So you need to adapt it into a Fantasy Show?

What's your problem, exactly? Do you hate awareness of injustices and social problems, or are you just, idk, straight-up run-off-the-mill racist?

The show is shit, but there's zero reason to believe that it's shit because it has diversity in it, or that if this was all white male dude bros it'd be less shit. The problems go WAY deeper than that.

[Marshyyy]

What's your problem, exactly? Do you hate awareness of injustices and social problems, or are you just, idk, straight-up run-off-the-mill racist?

The show is shit, but there's zero reason to believe that it's shit because it has diversity in it, or that if this was all white male dude bros it'd be less shit. The problems go WAY deeper than that.

Well the problem is that you hire and cast based on race and amazon ideology.

They are following their rules, and when you create a show based on ideology you see the result.

Aiming to include one character from each of the following categories in speaking roles, with minimum 50% of these to be women: LGBTQIA+, person with a disability, and three regionally underrepresented race/ethnic/cultural groups. A single character can fulfill one or more of these identities.

press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazon-studios-releases-inclusion-policy-and-playbook-strengthen/

[Biomega]

Well the problem is that you hire and cast based on race and amazon ideology.

They are following their rules, and when you create a show based on ideology you see the result.

So your are seriously saying that THIS is what made the show shit? Diverse casting?

I'm just making doubly sure that this is indeed what you are saying.

[Adamas102]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:

Lol “the indefensible”. It’s always a laugh what you drama queens will come up with.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

You see there is a difference between changing lore and expanding lore.. even though some sticklers insist the latter is the former.. for me, expansion is fine.. as long as you keep the core and dont' change the spirit.

THe hobbit expanded a lot of lore in those 3 movies, those expansions were fine, some even nice, they certainly fit within the lore, and the disappointment about the Hobbit was not as much what it expanded as opposed to how some elements were presented, still it had the air of the original movies, just not quite the finesse.. almost like they were a lot more careless on this one or not as hungry or desperate for it to be a master piece.

still, it was miles better than Rings of Power who actually changes the lore, and not in a nice way.. sure it's not terrible, but it ruins the fantasy and the feel of Lord of the rings. The elves are cheapened, Galadriael comes off very unlikeable, no stately grace you would expect of an immortal and one that clearly is leadership material.

She is written more like an angry lad, or a lesbian's idea of what a tough chick should be, which would be finde if that was the original character, or the elves were like that, but it's not the original character. And while there are lots of holes to fills that ou can make up all kinds of stuff, there are certain things you shouldn't do because they change too much.

Like the HIGH elves, the HIGH elves losing their light randomly, and then needing and willing to swindle or deceive dwarves to get it - that's not high elf like, and it's lore-ruinous route to take even though by itself it's not a bad story, even an interesting one, but it doesn't ffit Tolkien elves, it more fits Warcraft elves or Warhammer elves where their creators use adjectives to describe a race they don't really understand because they don't understand of haven't thought well enough w hat Wise, immortal and fair actually means.

I also do not expect an immortal race to look lik an old man nor the grace of the Eldar in Valinor, witht he Valar, have children behave so despicable -it feels more like humans not elves, and obvious attempt to create some sort of complex in Galadraiel to explain why she turns out into this very un-Tolkien Galadriel, - while the visioning of Galadriel will be cool on it's own as a different character and a different race - it is not cool as Galadriel from the novels, especially after seeing such a portrayal in the movies.

They were way off, the way they wrote her, they should have made her a Numenroean , not an elf, and elves should have been secondary characters like they are in LotR and the Hobbits



I know right.. they changed the lore, without understanding who they were changing (or understanding, and just not caring, but pressing on to do what they want - why? because they either have a message to preach or they think they're just better) - that's not how the elves of Tolkien would have been like or reacted - if you are going to make up new stuff for in between the lines of his work, the least you should be is consistent to that work so it believably passes off as Tolkien's Lord of the rings world.

I feel this is an alternate fantasy, for lord of the Rings, it's bad fan fic and subversive - ideology and views injected into someone else's work, makes it not based on the person's work but an alternative version of their world basically riding on it's coat tails to put your own stuff out.


In and of it self, it's not a bad anything, but it's more on the level of a warcraft or warhammer - not on the level of Lord of the Rings, which it boldly claims to be.

The elves just don't feel like elves, they don't come across as wise, regal, immortal, gallant nor gorgeous -t hey come off as merely pretty humans , lacking any more insight than their lessers - this is because the writers themselves can only write to their own limitations.

On Galadriel, I started wondering wether her characterization could be drawn from a conscious homage to or an inconscious inspiration from Greta Thunberg...

I guess it would be in line with the tendency of inserting modern topics...

[rogoth]

Lol “the indefensible”. It’s always a laugh what you drama queens will come up with.

but it is indefensible, not even looking at the diversity and inclusion mandate making this a mess, ignoring the butchering and bastardisation of the lore, the amateur showrunners and writers proving with every episode released they are incapable of telling a decent story, a special effects team that is so bad at their job it's comical, amateur casting of no-name actors in leading roles showing that they shouldn't have been cast in the first place.

looking at the entire whole so far, it's nothing but a money laundering scheme because i refuse to believe anyone paying premium pricing for these sorts of services would be so amateurish in presentation, it's actually astonishing to me that this was allowed to happen, and frankly the sooner someone intervenes and gets rid of the identity politics messaging, the piss poor quality writing, and hires actually competent special effects teams worth a damn, then and only then does this project stand any hope of succeeding, because currently it's going one way, and that's down the shitter.