Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[rhorle]

It's not gatekeeping, it's literally pointing out that the adaptation is not the original material. Doesn't really matter if someone likes it or not. Peter Jackson's film trilogy is liked by all, but isn't canonical to the books in any way.

Of course it isn't by the original author. It is gatekeeping because it is brought up just to give a blanket excuse for why something is bad. It does matter if a person likes it or not because they usually only give a blanket dismissal when they don't like something. If they do like something then it is "respecting the work" or similar reason.

[qwerty123456]

Why would you even try to force yourself to like something? If you're not enjoying it...don't watch it.

Some people like to finish things? Some also like to hope things will get better?

I fully watched Fena: Pirate Princess even though it started out ok and just started to snowball into a complete trainwreck by the end because I wanted to finish it.

[Triceron]

Of course it isn't by the original author. It is gatekeeping because it is brought up just to give a blanket excuse for why something is bad. It does matter if a person likes it or not because they usually only give a blanket dismissal when they don't like something. If they do like something then it is "respecting the work" or similar reason.

Er... All you're telling me is you don't like certain people's opinion and are making excuses to dismiss them.

[InfiniteCharger]

There is an attention to detail displayed on the show. They use references to things Tolkien wrote to embellish upon. Again just because it isn't a 1:1 copy doesn't mean they are not respecting his work. This just shows how much "respect" is used as a nebulous concept to dismiss anything.

I mentioned specifically attention to detail and you said embellish. Changing the story of Tolkien isn't "attention to detail".

How has this series portrayed passage of time in the movement across regions and areas with the attention to detail of how things changed from place to place?

[rhorle]

I mentioned specifically attention to detail and you said embellish. Changing the story of Tolkien isn't "attention to detail".

Attention to detail is not the same thing as changing the story. Jackson changed the story and had an attention to detail.

[s_bushido]

So, we're gonna get Witchered with the timeline reveals at the final episodes.

I think you're way overcomplicating this. Humans are susceptible to falling to evil. It happened before (with Halbrand's implication and the reason the watchtower was established in the first place) and it's happening again (with the people who left the watchtower to seek out Adar). I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that just seems like an unnecessary contrivance...and it would deflate the stakes we're supposed to feel with Galadriel lobbying for help on her quest in the first place.

[bledgor]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

[s_bushido]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone.

And?

"It's different, therefore bad" isn't the knockdown argument people seem to think it is.

Neither is "they're not sticking to the story we refused to give them the rights to use in the first place." If Tolkien purists don't like the liberties the showrunners are taking with Tolkien lore, maybe they should direct their ire towards those who are keeping that lore so restricted.

[rhorle]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

Did they though? Could it be another lie or misdirection in order to get Elrond to convince the dwarves? Maybe a Lord of Gifts is both corrupting the tree and supplying obscure legends in order to secure the Mithril that is needed for the the rings? It seems clear that something is influencing the elves as we also have them sending Galadriel away in order to stop the spread of corruption.

Though they do show her believing she could fall to the darkness by going one step to far in her quest to defeat it. Though that could also be the lingering effects of Sauron.

[Adamas102]

I mean the change to mithril/the silmarils is a massive deviation from Tolkien alone. We have a book about the Silmarils, its called the Silmarillion, Payne and Mckay should try reading it once.

Massive deviation? Tolkien never did flesh out an origin for mithril, nor does a Silmaril being a part in its creation deviate greatly from how the gems ended up, lost and inaccessible but their light still present in the earth, sea, and sky of Arda. This just sounds more like whining from the forever-looking-for-excuses crowd.

[rogoth]

Massive deviation? Tolkien never did flesh out an origin for mithril, nor does a Silmaril being a part in its creation deviate greatly from how the gems ended up, lost and inaccessible but their light still present in the earth, sea, and sky of Arda. This just sounds more like whining from the forever-looking-for-excuses crowd.

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:



in what universe does this pass the sniff test?

[bledgor]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:



in what universe does this pass the sniff test?

Just ignore the bad faith trolls, pretty sure if Tolkien came back from the grave and said this isn't his story they would just call him racist and say he is wrong.

NGL not surprised about the crowd considering in the first episode they couldn't keep the same number of elves with Galadriel in each scene. Seriously though, where did all the money go? Like the customs are mid tier at best, cosplay tier in several cases, basically all of the actors are no names, they apparently don't want to pay for extras, and after the big landscape shots that are well done they always go to some small room within seconds. How are they spending what ~$60 million an episode here?

[Iheartnathanos]

There have been plenty of movies and shows based on Dickens's work. What was the last one you cared to see? What was the last one you posted about on a forum?

People care about (or at least pretend to for the sake of culture war outrage bait) LotR stuff precisely because so much money has been pumped into the movie franchise, and continues to be pumped into projects like this. You may not like that, but your feelings don't dictate reality. Sorry.

And again, the movies and shows have nothing to do with the cultural impact the works they're based on may or may not have had before they came out.

You are confusing ‘franchise’ with ‘adaptation’

[Marshyyy]

Problem solved

[rhorle]

They just disabled it weeks ago in order that the rating doesn’t drop.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/th...iews?type=user

Funny then that it shows people rating, and reviewing, 15 mins ago. It was an hour ago when I first loaded the page so it is showing reviews from people. I'm not sure why you created an account here just to complain about RT though.

[MCMLXXXII]

I wonder if am the only one who can’t rate rings of power on rotten tomatoes?

Every series or movie when i scroll down i can rate.

Expect rings of power.

It’s also worth to mention that the Audience Score is 39% for weeks without 1% in change, either down or up.

I can’t rate it there.

And it appears Amazon is deleting ratings on their website to this day.

1 star ratings that got approved, you can’t find them when you click in the confirmation mail.

Other ratings are rejected because of reasons.

Google it on YouTube amazon deletes rings of power ratings

But it’s weird that rotten rating isn’t moving and you can’t rate it for weeks.

I contacted the rotten support and asked why i can’t rate it here is the response:

September 08

Thank you for contacting Fandango, we are reviewing your request and will respond as quickly as possible.
Please allow up to 72 hours to receive a response.

September 12

Thank you for your email and interest in Rotten Tomatoes.

Your Inquiry has been sent to the appropriate department.

Since than no reply, and ghosting. Replied two times and never got a answer

Edit:

Created a fresh account (go on rotten and sign up) and you can’t rate rings of power all other movies are allowed and other series expect rings of power.

Fuck that that’s the explanation why the Audience Score isn’t moving down or up.

They just disabled it weeks ago in order that the rating doesn’t drop.

Hi universalgirl, another ban evading account. You're gonna bombard us with woke gifs again?

[Marshyyy]

Funny then that it shows people rating, and reviewing, 15 mins ago. It was an hour ago when I first loaded the page so it is showing reviews from people. I'm not sure why you created an account here just to complain about RT though.

Problem solved, still suspicious what happened.

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In the preface to her scintillating picture book of poems for young readers, Mahogany L. Browne provides this definition of “woke”:

It means to be aware. It means to see your surroundings and challenge how we strengthen our relationship with the government, the community, and nature. To be WOKE is to fight for your civil rights and to fight for the rights of your neighbors…The idea of being aware of your surroundings, especially in a time when we are taught to be quiet and not rock the boat, can be difficult to embrace, but this is where our freedom begins.

The events of the last week are calling us to become woke. They are calling us to listen, especially to Black voices unleashing decades of pain and injustice. They are calling us to expand our bookshelves and our social media feeds to include more voices of color (hereweeread and theconsciouskid are a great place to start for parents). They are calling us to talk to our children about difficult topics like race, privilege, and racism and help them revise their summer reading lists to include stories by people of color. They are calling us to begin the uncomfortable and long-overdue work of examining the way our own whiteness makes us complicit in the sickness of systemic racism, because until we change what’s in our hearts, we can’t lead our children to do the same.

So you need to adapt it into a Fantasy Show?

[Biomega]

So you need to adapt it into a Fantasy Show?

What's your problem, exactly? Do you hate awareness of injustices and social problems, or are you just, idk, straight-up run-off-the-mill racist?

The show is shit, but there's zero reason to believe that it's shit because it has diversity in it, or that if this was all white male dude bros it'd be less shit. The problems go WAY deeper than that.

[Marshyyy]

What's your problem, exactly? Do you hate awareness of injustices and social problems, or are you just, idk, straight-up run-off-the-mill racist?

The show is shit, but there's zero reason to believe that it's shit because it has diversity in it, or that if this was all white male dude bros it'd be less shit. The problems go WAY deeper than that.

Well the problem is that you hire and cast based on race and amazon ideology.

They are following their rules, and when you create a show based on ideology you see the result.

Aiming to include one character from each of the following categories in speaking roles, with minimum 50% of these to be women: LGBTQIA+, person with a disability, and three regionally underrepresented race/ethnic/cultural groups. A single character can fulfill one or more of these identities.

press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazon-studios-releases-inclusion-policy-and-playbook-strengthen/

[Biomega]

Well the problem is that you hire and cast based on race and amazon ideology.

They are following their rules, and when you create a show based on ideology you see the result.

So your are seriously saying that THIS is what made the show shit? Diverse casting?

I'm just making doubly sure that this is indeed what you are saying.