Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Adamas102]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible, i'm going to ignore all of the egregious and absolutely reprehensible bastardisations of the established lore, and i was looking for someone to maybe try and explain to me how this is allowed to stand:

Lol “the indefensible”. It’s always a laugh what you drama queens will come up with.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

You see there is a difference between changing lore and expanding lore.. even though some sticklers insist the latter is the former.. for me, expansion is fine.. as long as you keep the core and dont' change the spirit.

THe hobbit expanded a lot of lore in those 3 movies, those expansions were fine, some even nice, they certainly fit within the lore, and the disappointment about the Hobbit was not as much what it expanded as opposed to how some elements were presented, still it had the air of the original movies, just not quite the finesse.. almost like they were a lot more careless on this one or not as hungry or desperate for it to be a master piece.

still, it was miles better than Rings of Power who actually changes the lore, and not in a nice way.. sure it's not terrible, but it ruins the fantasy and the feel of Lord of the rings. The elves are cheapened, Galadriael comes off very unlikeable, no stately grace you would expect of an immortal and one that clearly is leadership material.

She is written more like an angry lad, or a lesbian's idea of what a tough chick should be, which would be finde if that was the original character, or the elves were like that, but it's not the original character. And while there are lots of holes to fills that ou can make up all kinds of stuff, there are certain things you shouldn't do because they change too much.

Like the HIGH elves, the HIGH elves losing their light randomly, and then needing and willing to swindle or deceive dwarves to get it - that's not high elf like, and it's lore-ruinous route to take even though by itself it's not a bad story, even an interesting one, but it doesn't ffit Tolkien elves, it more fits Warcraft elves or Warhammer elves where their creators use adjectives to describe a race they don't really understand because they don't understand of haven't thought well enough w hat Wise, immortal and fair actually means.

I also do not expect an immortal race to look lik an old man nor the grace of the Eldar in Valinor, witht he Valar, have children behave so despicable -it feels more like humans not elves, and obvious attempt to create some sort of complex in Galadraiel to explain why she turns out into this very un-Tolkien Galadriel, - while the visioning of Galadriel will be cool on it's own as a different character and a different race - it is not cool as Galadriel from the novels, especially after seeing such a portrayal in the movies.

They were way off, the way they wrote her, they should have made her a Numenroean , not an elf, and elves should have been secondary characters like they are in LotR and the Hobbits



I know right.. they changed the lore, without understanding who they were changing (or understanding, and just not caring, but pressing on to do what they want - why? because they either have a message to preach or they think they're just better) - that's not how the elves of Tolkien would have been like or reacted - if you are going to make up new stuff for in between the lines of his work, the least you should be is consistent to that work so it believably passes off as Tolkien's Lord of the rings world.

I feel this is an alternate fantasy, for lord of the Rings, it's bad fan fic and subversive - ideology and views injected into someone else's work, makes it not based on the person's work but an alternative version of their world basically riding on it's coat tails to put your own stuff out.


In and of it self, it's not a bad anything, but it's more on the level of a warcraft or warhammer - not on the level of Lord of the Rings, which it boldly claims to be.

The elves just don't feel like elves, they don't come across as wise, regal, immortal, gallant nor gorgeous -t hey come off as merely pretty humans , lacking any more insight than their lessers - this is because the writers themselves can only write to their own limitations.

On Galadriel, I started wondering wether her characterization could be drawn from a conscious homage to or an inconscious inspiration from Greta Thunberg...

I guess it would be in line with the tendency of inserting modern topics...

[rogoth]

Lol “the indefensible”. It’s always a laugh what you drama queens will come up with.

but it is indefensible, not even looking at the diversity and inclusion mandate making this a mess, ignoring the butchering and bastardisation of the lore, the amateur showrunners and writers proving with every episode released they are incapable of telling a decent story, a special effects team that is so bad at their job it's comical, amateur casting of no-name actors in leading roles showing that they shouldn't have been cast in the first place.

looking at the entire whole so far, it's nothing but a money laundering scheme because i refuse to believe anyone paying premium pricing for these sorts of services would be so amateurish in presentation, it's actually astonishing to me that this was allowed to happen, and frankly the sooner someone intervenes and gets rid of the identity politics messaging, the piss poor quality writing, and hires actually competent special effects teams worth a damn, then and only then does this project stand any hope of succeeding, because currently it's going one way, and that's down the shitter.

[Askyl]

I didn't saw a single elf that look like an elf in this series, its not about "how media portrays then" its how Tolkien portrays then, because those media copy tolkien description in the first place

The elves look like humans and some of then are either too ugly or too old to actually be tolkien elves, Celebrimbor look like this guy:


and he is supposed to be younger than Galadriel

Galadriel somehow could look elvish, if she was less insufferable, but i don't think the actress - while very pretty - fit to be Galadriel.

TL;DR How to not know Tolkien and still talk.

[s_bushido]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible

This is where we cut to the clip of Zack Snyder disavowing toxic cunts like the one whose video you linked, right? "Indefensible" indeed.

[DarkAmbient]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

[s_bushido]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

I couldn't care less about convincing the idiots who made up their minds months ago when they saw the wrong people in the trailer and rushed to their preferred youtube hatemonger for validation. People can dislike the show for any reason they want. Orby and Biomega have somehow managed to find a way to do it without spreading that self-same youtube filth all over the thread, though. Strange how that works.

[Kumorii]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

It's mostly just chest pumping really...

[Syegfryed]

TL;DR How to not know Tolkien and still talk.

If you want to pass out as tolkien expert point to me when tolkien Said Celebrimbor was a old guy

[MCMLXXXII]

So since Adar means father in Sindar, could he be the first Elf turned into Orc by Morgoth?

[s_bushido]

So since Adar means father in Sindar, could he be the first Elf turned into Orc by Morgoth?

Well, he doesn't seem orcish enough for that. Since he seems to hate/resent Sauron and wants to become a god himself, my guess is that he's just an opportunist. If that's true about his name, it could just be something he allowed the orcs to call him when he did...whatever he did...to earn their allegiance.

Can we all just agree that Halbrand is Sauron now?

/shrug They're playing him up pretty hard as not-quite-Aragorn. Seems pointless to waste that on "oh by the way, he's just been the Big Bad all along." Turning him into the Witch-king would be pretty dope, though. Or, he could just end up being a guy. Not everyone has to be someone super special from the lore, do they?

[MCMLXXXII]

Well, he doesn't seem orcish enough for that. Since he seems to hate/resent Sauron and wants to become a god himself, my guess is that he's just an opportunist. If that's true about his name, it could just be something he allowed the orcs to call him when he did...whatever he did...to earn their allegiance.



/shrug They're playing him up pretty hard as not-quite-Aragorn. Seems pointless to waste that on "oh by the way, he's just been the Big Bad all along." Turning him into the Witch-king would be pretty dope, though. Or, he could just end up being a guy. Not everyone has to be someone super special from the lore, do they?

The first Orcs were transformed elves. The further through generations they kept being tainted by evil, the uglier they get. The RoP orcs are less ugly then their LotR counterparts. It could be the first orcs were just scarred elves, especially if he was the first one. Him resenting Sauron could be because he thinks he was his master's favorite and hates Sauron for taking over in stead of him.

[Orby]

Not much to do with Rings of Power (although there are some references) this is a good video if you have 15 minutes

[Kumorii]

Does Adar resent Sauron though? His anger could just be because he mentioned his name in the open like that.
I still think they are there because of orders of him and it's supposed to have some secrecy to it. The half that left haven't even heard of the connection to Sauron from what I can remember. Them defecting would be a survival move and slowly get assimilated into their army. Him dropping the name like that could jeopardize the plan of corrupting the men.

[DarkAmbient]

I don't think the dual timeline theory is true. Its revelation wouldn't really make for a cool twist in relation to anything we've seen so far. I've seen speculation that Rowan is Halbrand, but the EP6 teaser seems to debunk that. And if we discover it was actually two meteors viewed at different times, then so what? The big reveal is that there are two crazy wizards instead of one? Hardly worth tricking the viewer for an entire season. Misdirection like that would need a major payoff and there's nothing to provide that. There are no puzzle pieces which if put together by a timeline reveal would make for anything significant.

[tikcol]

Yeah, I took it as a "how DARE you say his name?!" sort of thing. And the old guy said they wanted their place at his side, as though they were equals, which I assume would only add to the animosity.

That orc lover.. I don't know what kind of heresy is afoot on that storyline but he's ripe for burning by holy fire either way

[DarkAmbient]

Reading the post about Adar's apparent dislike of Sauron made me think of something that adds to the 'Halbrand is Sauron' thing. Perhaps it's actually true that Sauron was driven out by Adar and his forces, which would make everything he's said to Galadriel the truth. And his reticence over leaving Numenor early was because he wanted Galadriel to put together the army he said she would need. What better way for Sauron to defeat his rival than turn up with Galadriel and an army of Numenoreans to wipe him out?

[rogoth]

This is where we cut to the clip of Zack Snyder disavowing toxic cunts like the one whose video you linked, right? "Indefensible" indeed.

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

[Levelfive]

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

What interlaced "woke messaging" is different from Lord of the Rings?

[kenn9530]

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

Its not wrong to like a story and even claim its better than what tolkien himself could do, tolkiens books are full of holes and plenty of bad writing but you can still enjoy something regardless of if other ppl think its good or not.

If the company doesnt have the rights to do the story as tolkien has wrote it then you cant complain they are doing it thier own way because they have to do it a different way, plus tolkien has not done a story in the age where the tv series takes place so they have plenty of freedom to fill out places that need be.

The tv series is good, your opinion on the otherhand is just that an opinion.