Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Askyl]

I didn't saw a single elf that look like an elf in this series, its not about "how media portrays then" its how Tolkien portrays then, because those media copy tolkien description in the first place

The elves look like humans and some of then are either too ugly or too old to actually be tolkien elves, Celebrimbor look like this guy:


and he is supposed to be younger than Galadriel

Galadriel somehow could look elvish, if she was less insufferable, but i don't think the actress - while very pretty - fit to be Galadriel.

TL;DR How to not know Tolkien and still talk.

[s_bushido]

hey they rabid defender of the indefensible

This is where we cut to the clip of Zack Snyder disavowing toxic cunts like the one whose video you linked, right? "Indefensible" indeed.

[DarkAmbient]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

[s_bushido]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

I couldn't care less about convincing the idiots who made up their minds months ago when they saw the wrong people in the trailer and rushed to their preferred youtube hatemonger for validation. People can dislike the show for any reason they want. Orby and Biomega have somehow managed to find a way to do it without spreading that self-same youtube filth all over the thread, though. Strange how that works.

[Kumorii]

At what point will people realise that they're never going to convince anyone that their reasons for disliking something are wrong. Keep fighting the good fight...

It's mostly just chest pumping really...

[Syegfryed]

TL;DR How to not know Tolkien and still talk.

If you want to pass out as tolkien expert point to me when tolkien Said Celebrimbor was a old guy

[Joszef Kiprich]

So since Adar means father in Sindar, could he be the first Elf turned into Orc by Morgoth?

[s_bushido]

So since Adar means father in Sindar, could he be the first Elf turned into Orc by Morgoth?

Well, he doesn't seem orcish enough for that. Since he seems to hate/resent Sauron and wants to become a god himself, my guess is that he's just an opportunist. If that's true about his name, it could just be something he allowed the orcs to call him when he did...whatever he did...to earn their allegiance.

Can we all just agree that Halbrand is Sauron now?

/shrug They're playing him up pretty hard as not-quite-Aragorn. Seems pointless to waste that on "oh by the way, he's just been the Big Bad all along." Turning him into the Witch-king would be pretty dope, though. Or, he could just end up being a guy. Not everyone has to be someone super special from the lore, do they?

[Joszef Kiprich]

Well, he doesn't seem orcish enough for that. Since he seems to hate/resent Sauron and wants to become a god himself, my guess is that he's just an opportunist. If that's true about his name, it could just be something he allowed the orcs to call him when he did...whatever he did...to earn their allegiance.



/shrug They're playing him up pretty hard as not-quite-Aragorn. Seems pointless to waste that on "oh by the way, he's just been the Big Bad all along." Turning him into the Witch-king would be pretty dope, though. Or, he could just end up being a guy. Not everyone has to be someone super special from the lore, do they?

The first Orcs were transformed elves. The further through generations they kept being tainted by evil, the uglier they get. The RoP orcs are less ugly then their LotR counterparts. It could be the first orcs were just scarred elves, especially if he was the first one. Him resenting Sauron could be because he thinks he was his master's favorite and hates Sauron for taking over in stead of him.

[Orby]

Not much to do with Rings of Power (although there are some references) this is a good video if you have 15 minutes

[Kumorii]

Does Adar resent Sauron though? His anger could just be because he mentioned his name in the open like that.
I still think they are there because of orders of him and it's supposed to have some secrecy to it. The half that left haven't even heard of the connection to Sauron from what I can remember. Them defecting would be a survival move and slowly get assimilated into their army. Him dropping the name like that could jeopardize the plan of corrupting the men.

[DarkAmbient]

I don't think the dual timeline theory is true. Its revelation wouldn't really make for a cool twist in relation to anything we've seen so far. I've seen speculation that Rowan is Halbrand, but the EP6 teaser seems to debunk that. And if we discover it was actually two meteors viewed at different times, then so what? The big reveal is that there are two crazy wizards instead of one? Hardly worth tricking the viewer for an entire season. Misdirection like that would need a major payoff and there's nothing to provide that. There are no puzzle pieces which if put together by a timeline reveal would make for anything significant.

[tikcol]

Yeah, I took it as a "how DARE you say his name?!" sort of thing. And the old guy said they wanted their place at his side, as though they were equals, which I assume would only add to the animosity.

That orc lover.. I don't know what kind of heresy is afoot on that storyline but he's ripe for burning by holy fire either way

[DarkAmbient]

Reading the post about Adar's apparent dislike of Sauron made me think of something that adds to the 'Halbrand is Sauron' thing. Perhaps it's actually true that Sauron was driven out by Adar and his forces, which would make everything he's said to Galadriel the truth. And his reticence over leaving Numenor early was because he wanted Galadriel to put together the army he said she would need. What better way for Sauron to defeat his rival than turn up with Galadriel and an army of Numenoreans to wipe him out?

[rogoth]

This is where we cut to the clip of Zack Snyder disavowing toxic cunts like the one whose video you linked, right? "Indefensible" indeed.

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

[Levelfive]

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

What interlaced "woke messaging" is different from Lord of the Rings?

[kenn9530]

last time i checked, Adamas has been going out of his way to defend this shit at every turn, i have already laid out what makes this show indefensible, i mean you're welcome to disagree with that but you would be wrong in doing so, because like i have stated now if you ignore all the egregious lore bastardisations, and you ignore the the various woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script, the entire production is amateur at best, for the most expensive fantasy tv show production in history, many of the cheap and tacky costumes, set designs, CGI should never have made it past test phase, and yet here we are, i'll be honest if i was this bad where i work i would be out of a job, and yet for some reason you and the other mindslaves seem to give this mediocrity a pass for what reason i don't know.

Its not wrong to like a story and even claim its better than what tolkien himself could do, tolkiens books are full of holes and plenty of bad writing but you can still enjoy something regardless of if other ppl think its good or not.

If the company doesnt have the rights to do the story as tolkien has wrote it then you cant complain they are doing it thier own way because they have to do it a different way, plus tolkien has not done a story in the age where the tv series takes place so they have plenty of freedom to fill out places that need be.

The tv series is good, your opinion on the otherhand is just that an opinion.

[Orby]

I assume season 1 is going to end with the rings of power being made and Sauron being defeated by the combined forces of elves and Numenoreans?

With 3 episodes left thats going to be tough to fit in. Its also after this that Sauron retreats to Mordor, which will then be followed immediately by the first wizards (Radagast and Saruman) arriving on middle earth...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

woke messaging interlaced throughout the entire writing of the trash tier script

I’m two episodes behind due to lack of time so Mabye I haven’t got there yet it but what woke messaging is there in the script?

[rogoth]

Its not wrong to like a story and even claim its better than what tolkien himself could do, tolkiens books are full of holes and plenty of bad writing but you can still enjoy something regardless of if other ppl think its good or not.

If the company doesnt have the rights to do the story as tolkien has wrote it then you cant complain they are doing it thier own way because they have to do it a different way, plus tolkien has not done a story in the age where the tv series takes place so they have plenty of freedom to fill out places that need be.

The tv series is good, your opinion on the otherhand is just that an opinion.

based on every metric currently available, it would disagree with that sentiment entirely, it's not a good show, it's lost over 70% of total audience since episode 1, and has seen Amazon scramble in a comical attempt to salvage what they can by deleting negative reviews censoring anybody with a bad word to say on the subject, that's not my opinion, these are immutable facts, while you can not like them, you cannot change them.

secondly, i have no qualms with a company coming in and taking the bare bones of what was written and expanding upon it, but nothing in this show is in anyway shape or form remotely close to that of Tolkien himself in both essence or in actuality, which only helps reinforce the notion that these amateur showrunners who wrote this terrible script are inept at their craft and are unfit to be given the responsibility that such a project would demand.

lastly, if they weren't able to get the rights to the material they needed, they should have appointed people who had a decent enough reputation and were capable of the task to interpret and invent alongside what already exists, as it stands this badly written fan fiction is so far removed from anything resembling Tolkien it's a farce.