Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Fortress of Arrogance]

There was never much hope, just a fools hope...


sorry couldn't resist :P

tis okay
Hope dies last, as they say.


The recent episode was meh at best, and all the bits with Electrodriel in it were unbearable.
Observing protohobbits and the Elrond/Durin combo remain two main factors why I'm watching this show.
Also, the way Numenor solved the issue of 2 ships sinking was superb from my POV.

[Xath]

When you cant see that a 1/10 review is an obvious troll then maybe your style of thinking is flawed, more ppl tend to just like things regardless of what the hardcore lore fans seem to think, the data proves the show is good so anyone saying otherwise is factually always going to be wrong.

When you cant see that a 10/10 review is an obvious troll then maybe your style of thinking is flawed, more ppl tend to just dislike things regardless of what the hardcore non fans seem to think, the data proves the show is bad so anyone saying otherwise is factually always going to be wrong.

[Shadowferal]

What are you on about, you are talking nonsense, the current data now without anything removed puts the show on average 70% or higher and thats a good mark for most shows, if you removed the BS reviews it would be over 80% easily, your opinion has no weight because the show being good or not is not an opinion its fact backed up by plenty of available data.

But as usual you have nothing but vague nonsense to support your sad tiresome opinion.

[InfiniteCharger]

Are you saying footnotes etc. are not written?

Where's that coming from, then? Oral tradition? Which, by the way, YOU CAN TOTALLY MAKE ADAPTATIONS FROM, TOO.


None of what you are saying precludes the use of adaptation to describe. People have brought up Romeo and Juliet. It's an adaptation itself, and was adapted countless times with new characters, new settings, new events, and new stories.

You're just wrong saying that.


"Adapt" is a general, categorical descriptor. It refers to a general category. It doesn't go into detail because it's not a specific term. It's a general term.

It's like, say, "to film". "I'm filming my kids", "I'm filming a Hollywood movie", and "I'm filming a porno" all use the same general verb "to film" despite it being radically different situations. But that doesn't matter, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LANGUAGE WORKS.


Prove that footnotes aren't a story. Explain what IS "a story" in the first place. And explain why you can only adapt "a story".

None of those things are true.

Again, this is not an adaptation of a story because there is no complete story of the second age.
I keep saying this and you keep dancing around this fundamental fact.
Your attempts to focus on the semantics of the word "adaptation" don't change these facts.
You can keep repeating yourself and ranting about what is and isn't an adaptation all you want.
The showrunners themselves have said they are "creating the novel tolkien never wrote".
Meaning they have been saying all along this is a completely made up story set in Tolkiens universe.
They aren't calling it an adaptation and the only ones trying to split hairs about it are some folks online grandstanding about a TV show.

[Celement]

Again, this is not an adaptation of a story because there is no complete story of the second age.
I keep saying this and you keep dancing around this fundamental fact.
Your attempts to focus on the semantics of the word "adaptation" don't change these facts.
You can keep repeating yourself and ranting about what is and isn't an adaptation all you want.
The showrunners themselves have said they are "creating the novel tolkien never wrote".
Meaning they have been saying all along this is a completely made up story set in Tolkiens universe.
They aren't calling it an adaptation and the only ones trying to split hairs about it are some folks online grandstanding about a TV show.

I mean a more honest description would be the novel Tolkien would never of wrote.

[Gumble]

Meaning they have been saying all along this is a completely made up story set in Tolkiens universe.

Change that to "a complete made up story that is coated with a paint of Tolkien's universe but bears no actual resemblence to it"


If I took your favorite story, took the character names from it, and made a porno with characters with those names who act nothing like the characters from the original story, and then acted indignant when you said I had made a disgrace of the original work and turned it into something crass, lowbrow, and pathetic........ how would you see it?

That's pretty much how everyone sees ROP

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Change that to "a complete made up story that is coated with a paint of Tolkien's universe but bears no actual resemblence to it"


If I took your favorite story, took the character names from it, and made a porno with characters with those names who act nothing like the characters from the original story, and then acted indignant when you said I had made a disgrace of the original work and turned it into something crass, lowbrow, and pathetic........ how would you see it?

That's pretty much how everyone sees ROP

Hey!
You cannot be further f rom truth when you say that!

I wouldn't wish to watch r34 stuff with ROP characters under no circumstances!
Unlike OW...

[Syegfryed]

Are we glossing over the fact that out of nowhere elves are dying and somehow, they need mithril or they will fucking die, and Durin have to convince his father - and dwarves hate elves generally - that they have to provide the most precious ore to the point ears to save an entire race?

Is this rly the plot they are making to forge the rings? Cause again, this smells like a fanfic that use Tolkien name, the history is just completely nonsensical to the events from the book.

Hey!
You cannot be further f rom truth when you say that!

I wouldn't wish to watch r34 stuff with ROP characters under no circumstances!
Unlike OW...

With all the sexual tension with Galabriel and Not-Sauron i don't doubt this is not possible in the future.

In fact, back in time a few months ago, it was discussed the show was going to put sex scenes and some people were on board, now we know why despite being something that didn't make sense to be in a Tolkien show, they just bastardized and shit all over it to a point of its not considered Tolkien anymore.

Which is understandable since they wanted to make their own GOT, but with no good writers

[rogoth]

so after enduring the waterboarding torture that is this show a bit more, why is nobody complaining about the Durin characters?, it's not possible for one 'durin' to be alive at the same time as another 'durin' in the lore, the character of 'durin' is akin to that of king arthur from the the arthurian legend where he is the once and future king of albion (aka england), meaning that durin the deathless is a single entity and awakens in times of great strife and need for the dwarves, so how in the name of all that is holy are there 2 entities calling themselves durin?

[Kumorii]

so after enduring the waterboarding torture that is this show a bit more, why is nobody complaining about the Durin characters?, it's not possible for one 'durin' to be alive at the same time as another 'durin' in the lore, the character of 'durin' is akin to that of king arthur from the the arthurian legend where he is the once and future king of albion (aka england), meaning that durin the deathless is a single entity and awakens in times of great strife and need for the dwarves, so how in the name of all that is holy are there 2 entities calling themselves durin?

People talked a lot about it at the start when it was first shown that would be the case. So think the topic is over and done with

[rhorle]

so after enduring the waterboarding torture that is this show a bit more, why is nobody complaining about the Durin characters?, it's not possible for one 'durin' to be alive at the same time as another 'durin' in the lore, the character of 'durin' is akin to that of king arthur from the the arthurian legend where he is the once and future king of albion (aka england), meaning that durin the deathless is a single entity and awakens in times of great strife and need for the dwarves, so how in the name of all that is holy are there 2 entities calling themselves durin?

With the compressed Timeline it isn't a big deal. It makes sense for there to be father and son rather then having a non-durin on the throne just for the sake of lore.

[Mace]

You literally said they were "changing race in a bad way"

Except you didn't understand what I meant or what I was referring to. . you made an assumption it was about skin colour

I was talking about them changing the elves as a race, from Tolkien, not their skin colour but their behaviour - elves behaving like humans, elves being sneaky and duplicitous - high elves of all things, Galadriel , the main lead ,being nothing like Galadriel in the books or the far better presentation of her in the LotR and the Hobbit.


Secondly, assume their absence is political.. do you think everything is political - this is about Tolkien's world, portray his world, if you start changing it, especially in ways that reflect current socio-political views that are running rampant in your part of the world, then it seems clear ot me they are changed for those reasons, especially when the changes made all bring it line with such views - i mean, correct me if I'm wrong ? Political.. i spent more time talking about ideology, but political is part of it too I suppose.

[rhorle]

I was talking about them changing the elves as a race, from Tolkien, not their skin colour but their behaviour - elves behaving like humans, elves being sneaky and duplicitous - high elves of all things, Galadriel , the main lead ,being nothing like Galadriel in the books or the far better presentation of her in the LotR and the Hobbit.

Did tolkien ever write that elves couldn't be sneaky? Or that they were all beings of pure good morality? Didn't Tolkien specifically say that the difference between Elves and Humans was small?

[Levelfive]

Except you didn't understand what I meant or what I was referring to. . you made an assumption it was about skin colour

I was talking about them changing the elves as a race, from Tolkien, not their skin colour but their behaviour - elves behaving like humans, elves being sneaky and duplicitous - high elves of all things, Galadriel , the main lead ,being nothing like Galadriel in the books or the far better presentation of her in the LotR and the Hobbit.


Secondly, assume their absence is political.. do you think everything is political - this is about Tolkien's world, portray his world, if you start changing it, especially in ways that reflect current socio-political views that are running rampant in your part of the world, then it seems clear ot me they are changed for those reasons, especially when the changes made all bring it line with such views - i mean, correct me if I'm wrong ? Political.. i spent more time talking about ideology, but political is part of it too I suppose.

I'll take you at your word you were referring to "changing the elves as a race[...]to behav[e] like humans," but that's headcanon, which you're perfectly entitled to, which actually leads me to my next point: every author knows that once they've put their work into the world it's no longer "theirs." People have their own interpretations and takes that may not match up at all with the author's, and no one, including the author, has control over that (I'm not referring to copyrights and legalities here). You don't have to like their take, but they're just as entitled to it as you are to yours. Beyond that, you still haven't addressed what views and messaging you're referring to, so I'm just going to say again:

[...]what are these "views" you keep insisting are not being faithful to Tolkein? Because things like strength in diversity and the overlooked and marginalized doing great things when given the chance seem right on brand to me[.]

[kenn9530]

Are you not reading what's being said and just answering your own questions here?

As I said, there are plenty of reviews higher than 1/10 which still lower the overall score well below 50%.

Don't be dumb, but I think that's already too late. You are the Star Citizen guy after all.

The show is not rated anywhere near below 50% so what are you smoking. The show is rated on IMBD almost a 7/10 and that has a very high amount of reviews for the data to be a little more accurate.

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When you cant see that a 10/10 review is an obvious troll then maybe your style of thinking is flawed, more ppl tend to just dislike things regardless of what the hardcore non fans seem to think, the data proves the show is bad so anyone saying otherwise is factually always going to be wrong.

You have been proven wrong about WoT being good and you have been proven wrong about RoP also, seems you are unable to actually read basic data in front of your face that constantly proves otherwise. You dont understand one simple concept that many ppl just enjoy things and could quite happily rate something a 10/10 with no problems, however a 1/10 is not accurate for any show, even if the only thing you like about RoP is the visuals that gets the mark off to at least a 3/10 because noone can really complain about the visuals.

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But as usual you have nothing but vague nonsense to support your sad tiresome opinion.

Whats nonsense about ppl posting reviews and using that data for an average on how good a show is being rated, even the very small percentage of reviewers put the show rated more than high enough to consider it to be good, you are the one talking nonsense since you ignore anything that proves your agenda to be incorrect.

You just need to accept the simple fact more ppl think the show is good than otherwise, your own opinion doesnt change that.

[Dhrizzle]

So this is just a thread of people who read LOTR and watched the movies pretending they care about lore. I'm guessing only because they want to show off how much they know? I don't get it, honestly.

That's the reason I'm here but usually you'll also get two people spending several pages arguing over a tiny incidental detail or the philosophy behind film-making.

[Syegfryed]

That's the reason I'm here but usually you'll also get two people spending several pages arguing over a tiny incidental detail or the philosophy behind film-making.

That is not the reason, that is a weak strawman and people spend pages saying how the plot, the narrative and the writing is garbage.

If you ignore completely the lore they butchered still is a bad show

[s_bushido]

That is not the reason, that is a weak strawman and people spend pages saying how the plot, the narrative and the writing is garbage.

If you ignore completely the lore they butchered still is a bad show

lol

Says the guy who instigated the pages-long "but why elf no drown" argument, because the way he imagined a scene happening wasn't the way it actually happened on film.

[Syegfryed]

lol

Says the guy who instigated the pages-long "but why elf no drown" argument, because the way he imagined a scene happening wasn't the way it actually happened on film.

No, i said the scene is retarded, because it was wood, and wood does not sink that fast, the whole plot is asinine because she wants to swim back to middle earth, and that is a stupid borderline suicidal move, but then get miraculous saved, out nowhere, two times.

Like i said, saying how the writing is garbage

[Triceron]

The show is not rated anywhere near below 50% so what are you smoking. The show is rated on IMBD almost a 7/10 and that has a very high amount of reviews for the data to be a little more accurate.

Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic user reviews are far lower than 50% buddy.

And who the fuck uses IMDB ratings? You kidding me?