Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Myradin]

This thread's really devolved into people trying to define good and bad, right and wrong.

It's alright so far was dissapointed with the first couple episodes but i gets abit better so still have some hope.

Cant help to compare it to house of dragon though as they both run now but one thing is certain the casting and acting is miles better in hod so far especially after latest episode. Perhaps as it's more realistic (minus the dragons) and dark compared to rop.

Anyways i hope tomorrow's episode is a good one because there is only so many left of the first season.

Honestly I'd say its because stuff actually happens in HoTD.

We've had like 5 episodes of pure setup (hopefully not 6). 4 and 5 have felt better paced, but there's a lot of storylines that feel like they'ved moved nowhere, while progress in other stories seems to happen off screen.

Meanwhile HoTD has friendships be forged and destroyed, plots hatched and foiled. Characters introduced, developed, and killed off. Each episode feels like its own chapter with a point.

Whereas I feel like just about everything in RoP takes 2-3 or more episodes to happens. It also feels like characters often fail a bunch just to have the plot hand them a win with little effort on their part, making all the time leading up to it feel wasted.

Arondir captured? Spend entire episode trying and failing to escape. Next episode they just let him go anyway as they want him to send a message. How convenient.

Galadriel needing to convince Numenor for help? Fails for 2 episodes and is about to be sent away via boat until tree saves her. Then takes a third episode to actually leave. Hilariously she actually says she convinced the princess.

Elrond wants to be friend dwarves again. They're grumpy but just get over it. He does nothing to prove himself, it all depends on their offscreen friendship.

[Biomega]

The only thing that is bias is giving it a low rating purely on hating something because in your opinion its not tolkien, hes dead we dont know what he would want only what you seem to think.

The proof of the show being good is clear in all evidence so you cant deny most ppl think its a good show.

You realize, though, that this is circular logic?

"I'm not discounting 10/10 reviews because the high average review score proves this is a good show, therefore those are legit reviews".

[kenn9530]

You realize, though, that this is circular logic?

"I'm not discounting 10/10 reviews because the high average review score proves this is a good show, therefore those are legit reviews".

If you cant follow simple logic there is no helping you, there are many ppl who are happy with the show as it stands and therfor a high review is legit, however no matter how bad you think the show might be not all its aspects warrant a 1/10 review so therfor those low reviews are not legit and only based in pure hate, you just need a little common sense and logic.

The only problem you and others are having with the show is you think its not tolkien enough for LOTRs, that doesnt matter in the slightest if it is or not because it was never going to be that regardless, newsflash most ppl dont care about the books and the tv show is more than good enough.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

If you cant follow simple logic there is no helping you, there are many ppl who are happy with the show as it stands and therfor a high review is legit, however no matter how bad you think the show might be not all its aspects warrant a 1/10 review so therfor those low reviews are not legit and only based in pure hate, you just need a little common sense and logic.

what aspects, therefore, warrant a 10/10 ?

[Xath]

If you cant follow simple logic there is no helping you, there are many ppl who are happy with the show as it stands and therfor a high review is legit, however no matter how bad you think the show might be not all its aspects warrant a 1/10 review so therfor those low reviews are not legit and only based in pure hate, you just need a little common sense and logic.

The only problem you and others are having with the show is you think its not tolkien enough for LOTRs, that doesnt matter in the slightest if it is or not because it was never going to be that regardless, newsflash most ppl dont care about the books and the tv show is more than good enough.

Newsflash a lot more people care about the books than this drek. LoTR has sold over 150 MILLION copies not even close lol.

[rhorle]

The Nielsen ratings are out. The show had 1,235 million minutes viewed for 8/29-9/4 and two episodes. https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/#streaming

[kenn9530]

Newsflash a lot more people care about the books than this drek. LoTR has sold over 150 MILLION copies not even close lol.

Book is very old and its not one single book so the number of fans is much lower than you seem to think it is, compared to 200 million plus ppl on amazon prime that can watch the tv series.

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what aspects, therefore, warrant a 10/10 ?

Everything about it can warrant an easy 10/10 rating, i have no issues at all with the series apart from there wont be enough of it.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Everything about it can warrant an easy 10/10 rating, i have no issues at all with the series apart from there wont be enough of it.

Oh.

Ok then.
Everything about it can warrant an easy 1/1 rating, I have a lot of issues with these series from casting to plot to pacing to acting to forced diversity to sodomization of primary source.

[Xath]

The Nielsen ratings are out. The show had 1,235 million minutes viewed for 8/29-9/4 and two episodes. https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/#streaming

so sub 11 million people watched assuming 100% retention for 2 episodes

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Book is very old and its not one single book so the number of fans is much lower than you seem to think it is, compared to 200 million plus ppl on amazon prime that can watch the tv series.

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Everything about it can warrant an easy 10/10 rating, i have no issues at all with the series apart from there wont be enough of it.

Except 200 million aren't watching it stop trolling. Nielsen numbers were posted and your max assuming 100% retention was less than 11 million lol

[Unforgivenn]

Sad but true

[kenn9530]

so sub 11 million people watched assuming 100% retention for 2 episodes

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Except 200 million aren't watching it stop trolling. Nielsen numbers were posted and your max assuming 100% retention was less than 11 million lol

Not everyone watches the series as soon as its released so it will get many more millions of ppl watching over time, week by week statistics dont really mean anything, the book sales didnt happen in a week they happened over decades, also each view is not always going to be just one person watching it.

Also doesnt nielson only cover the US and not the whole world.

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Oh.

Ok then.
Everything about it can warrant an easy 1/1 rating, I have a lot of issues with these series from casting to plot to pacing to acting to forced diversity to sodomization of primary source.

You are just lying to yourself if you believe everything about it warrants a 1 rating because you clearly cant rate the visuals and production value of the film that low no matter what integrity you lack, the show is good plain and simple and everything available proves that always to be true.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

You are just lying to yourself if you believe everything about it warrants a 1 rating because you clearly cant rate the visuals and production value of the film that low no matter what integrity you lack, the show is good plain and simple and everything available proves that always to be true.

You are just lying to yourself if you believe everything about it warrants a 10 rating because you clearly cant rate the visuals and production value of the film that high no matter what integrity you posess, the show is bad plain and simple and everything available proves that always to be true.

[rhorle]

Also doesnt nielson only cover the US and not the whole world.

It looks like it is just the US though it doesn't make that clear for the streaming portion. We do know that there are at least 14 million more out there as Amazon stated 25 million global views in the first 24 hours.

Source: Nielsen Streaming Content Ratings (Amazon Prime, Disney+, HBO Max, Hulu, Netflix, and Apple TV+), Nielsen National TV Panel, U.S. Viewing through Television

[Syegfryed]

Honestly I'd say its because stuff actually happens in HoTD..

The main differences between HoD and RoP now that i caught up on the two:

- Cast. HoD have good picks for the cast, every actor seems to be right at the character, even with the timeskip and characters getting older the news picks were good. Then you have elves that look like humans, and a younger elf that look like a 70 years old dude.

- Acting. The acting in HoD is quite good, you have Viserys trying with his monologue, you feel what his feel, even when there is no words, Daemon actor made quite an acting with just his actions in the battle scene, same cannot be said by Galadriel horse slow motion, or their shit tentative to make analogies or metaphors

- Characters. You actually care about the characters in HoD, or at least get invested in what they do, if they are villains or good guys, its well build. in RoP you just want then to die because they are insufferable, dumb or nonsensical

- Progression. Show is well paced in HoD, you actually understand the deal and the implications, its easy to understand and the show does not need to spell it out, like some marriages being better because X, Y and Z and some choices could be fucked for the Kingdom, while in RoP shit is all over the place.

- The fucking plot. The plot in HoD is enjoyable and make sense, the plot in RoP is garbage and nonsensical, the bit of they needing the light of mithril was the stroll that broke the camel back, fuck then with that.

- Choreography. The fight scenes from HoD are actually well done, prob people who know who were doing were responsible for it, the choreography in RoP is garbage, the scene where Galadriel try to "teach" the soldiers is pathetic, and they should be ashamed to film that, and the greatest advice of the century "don't fight with your arms, fight your feet" yeah, forget your sword and just kick enemy asses like a badass. You know she tried to say footwork is important, but tis a garbage line.


- Music. the music in RoP while good is bloated, it simple does not reflect the scene or what they try to pass.

Those are the ones on the top of my head, of course HoD still have problems and they are not the best media in the points i made, but they are clearly superior to RoP in every single way, RoP is clearly done by amateurs for twitter viewers, who rely on cliches and nostalgia because everything besides the CGI stinks.

[s_bushido]

Sad but true

"Women destroy everything I love. But it's totally not misogyny, bro."

[Xath]

It looks like it is just the US though it doesn't make that clear for the streaming portion. We do know that there are at least 14 million more out there as Amazon stated 25 million global views in the first 24 hours.

No we don't. They released 3 episodes to start with. 25 million global views spread across 3 episodes is less than 9 mill per episode.

[kenn9530]

No we don't. They released 3 episodes to start with. 25 million global views spread across 3 episodes is less than 9 mill per episode.

It was 2 episodes that released not 3 for a start, and the 25 million is viewers not views in the first 24hrs alone, that means 25 million different accounts watched RoP.

[rhorle]

No we don't. They released 3 episodes to start with. 25 million global views spread across 3 episodes is less than 9 mill per episode.

Amazon released two episodes on 9/1. The third episode released on 9/9. The Nielsen ratings are for 9/1 through 9/4. 25 million global views in the first 24 hours is an impressive number. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lo...Power#Episodes

[Xath]

Amazon released two episodes on 9/1. The third episode released on 9/9. The Nielsen ratings are for 9/1 through 9/4. 25 million global views in the first 24 hours is an impressive number. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lo...Power#Episodes

Great the point was there aren't 10 million more out there like you claimed.

[bledgor]

I mean few people expected the first 2 episodes/premiere to be bad, it is more a question of the fall off from there.

IIRC there was a ~30% dropoff from episode 1 to 2, I would not be surprised if we are already sub 30% premiere numbers (with the finale bumping back up a bit) considering episode 5 was basically a repeat of 4(orcs about to invade tower, still about to invade. Galadriel about to leave Numenor, still about to leave, etc). The show has been even the most ardent defender divisive in nature, and slow paced as well.