Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

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Did I miss the part where Galadriel and her friends knew about the attack on the village or even knew that the village existed? Genuine question.

[Triceron]

Did I miss the part where Galadriel and her friends knew about the attack on the village or even knew that the village existed? Genuine question.

They loosely implied that last episode with Halbrand pointing where the Orcs would go. Everything else is movie magic plot convenience, like has been commonly happening throughout the series

[rhorle]

Yes, and that was specifically for Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit's story.

So do you have evidence that said he would think of other parts of work differently? Rights were sold regardless. It was only a loophole in the original deal that allowed Amazon to buy the current rights. You are literally arguing that you know the mind of Tolkien and what he would and would not approved of. That is silly.

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Did I miss the part where Galadriel and her friends knew about the attack on the village or even knew that the village existed? Genuine question.

In a previous episode Halbrand indicated where he thought the Orcs were going when he fled. Episode 5 around 15:40. "Further south, I should think. Towards the watchtower of Ostirith".

[Triceron]

So do you have evidence that said he would think of other parts of work differently? Rights were sold regardless. It was only a loophole in the original deal that allowed Amazon to buy the current rights. You are literally arguing that you know the mind of Tolkien and what he would and would not approved of. That is silly.

Someone suggested he would have if he were alive. That is the context.

Tolkien never intended the appendices or Silmarillion or the 2nd Age to be adapted. You would actually be the one needing proof to defend the argument that he would have been okay with it. What I'm presenting is literally based on what we already know of Tolkien in life, his intentions till death.

Where can you point to Tolkien being okay with the 2nd age being adapted at all? Everything you mention is specifically about the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings. The reason Amazon are free to adapting the 2nd age now, without staunch criticisms from the creators, is because JRR Tolkien snd Christopher Tolkien are both dead.

[rhorle]

Tolkien never intended the appendices or Silmarillion or the 2nd Age to be adapted.

And yet he sold the rights to those things along with the rest. Can you point explicitly to him not being okay with those things being adapted? As the quotes you provided do not say that. Amazon can adapt the things they have now because the Tolkien Estate sued over digital gambling using Tolkien's stuff. They claimed the rights sold didn't allow that. That is when they discovered the loop hole in the rights previously sold or got those rights in a settlement.

It has nothing to do with Christopher being dead as he died in 2020. The rights were being shopped and bought in 2017 with Christopher Tolkien being involved. The Son of Christopher is also involved as a consultant on the show.

[kenn9530]

Like i give two shits about a lot of people watching a garbage and poor written show, people can like shit all they want

Its amazing how you simple cannot make a single point in what i said - because is the truth - and your only defense "s-s-s-stop, people are watching, p-p-people are loving!!!" truly desperate.

All you have is your own opinions, not everyone agrees with anything you have said, you are so desperate to hate stuff as with many things on this forum but more ppl like all the things you seem to hate so its more about your lack of good taste than anything, if it was as bad as you seem to think it was it wouldnt be as successful as it currently is. All of what you said is not backed up by anything because its purely subjective to the person.

[Triceron]

And yet he sold the rights to those things along with the rest. Can you point explicitly to him not being okay with those things being adapted? As the quotes you provided do not say that. Amazon can adapt the things they have now because the Tolkien Estate sued over digital gambling using Tolkien's stuff. They claimed the rights sold didn't allow that. That is when they discovered the loop hole in the rights previously sold or got those rights in a settlement.

It has nothing to do with Christopher being dead as he died in 2020. The rights were being shopped and bought in 2017 with Christopher Tolkien being involved. The Son of Christopher is also involved as a consultant on the show.

Yes, you can literally read that he sold the rights because he literally thought LOTR was a unfilmable and sought to make money of it not caring much of the repercussions. That all ended up falling to Christopher Tolkien being a vocal critic of said adaptations, but that's a different story.

[rhorle]

Yes, you can literally read that he sold the rights because he literally thought LOTR was a unfilmable and sought to make money of it not caring much of the repercussions. That all ended up falling to Christopher Tolkien being a vocal critic of said adaptations, but that's a different story.

So he didn't care about adaptations being made. Yet he somehow would have cared specifically about Rings of Power even though he made no comments about Rings of Power. Strange.

[Triceron]

So he didn't care about adaptations being made. Yet he somehow would have cared specifically about Rings of Power even though he made no comments about Rings of Power. Strange.

The context is whether he would have written and contributed to a Rings of Power adaptation if he were merely alive today.

Now, based on what we know of Tolkien and literally selling the rights because he didn't care and only did it for the money, how would you reasonably conclude how he would have approached an adaptation of appendices material.

Again, proof would be on you to suggest he would have been involved with such a project. Everything we know about his history with liscencing deals otherwise implies the opposite

[rhorle]

Again, proof would be on you to suggest he would have been involved with such a project. Everything we know about his history with liscencing deals otherwise implies the opposite

I said no one can determine if he would or would not. As we are not JRR Tolkien and can't decide what he felt kept the core or heart of his story. The burden is on you to prove he would deny the adaptation if that is the point you are arguing. Everything we know of Tolkien doesn't give an answer either way. As he wasn't opposed to every adaptation.

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The context is whether he would have written and contributed to a Rings of Power adaptation if he were merely alive today.

Now, based on what we know of Tolkien and literally selling the rights because he didn't care and only did it for the money, how would you reasonably conclude how he would have approached an adaptation of appendices material.

Again, proof would be on you to suggest he would have been involved with such a project. Everything we know about his history with liscencing deals otherwise implies the opposite

I wouldn't say he didn't care, just he cared more for the money/making sure he could take care of his family.

[Triceron]

I said no one can determine if he would or would not. As we are not JRR Tolkien and can't decide what he felt kept the core or heart of his story. The burden is on you to prove he would deny the adaptation if that is the point you are arguing. Everything we know of Tolkien doesn't give an answer either way. As he wasn't opposed to every adaptation.

The proof is that he wouldn't have supported any adaptation directly, just as he was hands off with LOTR adaptations after he sold the rights.

The proof is in the fact he sold the rights, no?

We're literally talking about whether he would get involved with a massive revisionist adaptation of his work, and we know he wasn't even favouring that for LOTR and ended up selling the rights entirely. How are you spinning this to imply he would suddenly be involved in adapting the appendices?

Sure, no one knows either way because he is dead, but we're talking IF he were still alive right? There is no concrete proof and evidence for the discussion of speculation, so I'm not sure what you're even asking for.

[rhorle]

The proof is that he wouldn't have supported any adaptation directly, just as he was hands off with LOTR adaptations after he sold the rights.

That isn't true. As he has looked at scripts and as I pointed out to you stated that the issue was around adaptations that keep or don't keep the core or heart of an authors work. There is no way to answer what he would have done if he was still alive because again you don't know what he did or did not consider the core/heart of his work. Only he could decide that.

If there is no evidence for the discussion of speculation then why have you speculated that he wouldn't have approved of Rings of Power? You just confirmed what I've been saying all along. That it is silly to say what he would have done one way or the other because we are not Tolkien.

[Triceron]

That isn't true. As he has looked at scripts and as I pointed out to you stated that the issue was around adaptations that keep or don't keep the core or heart of an authors work. There is no way to answer what he would have done if he was still alive because again you don't know what he did or did not consider the core/heart of his work. Only he could decide that.

If there is no evidence for the discussion of speculation then why have you speculated that he wouldn't have approved of Rings of Power? You just confirmed what I've been saying all along. That it is silly to say what he would have done one way or the other because we are not Tolkien.

He looked at scripts adapting what exactly? Anything covering 2nd age? Anything involving heavy time compression?

Again, we are talking about Rings of Power level of adaptation. What you are talking about are scripts that are directly adapting LOTR, not a completely new thing that is only loosely being based on his work.

[rhorle]

He looked at scripts adapting what exactly? Anything covering 2nd age? Anything involving heavy time compression?

Prove that Tolkien thought adaptations of his other works were seen differently. Why would he, or anyone, feel different just because it "wasn't a book"?

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Anyone who believes Tolkien would actually be okay/on board with the RoP "adaptation" is a troll, a troll no one should engage/encourage by talking to.

[Bakis]

Read an interesting article about the serie and why it has gone down badly to so many.

One of the things it mentioned was that Amazon only payed to use IP from the 3 LotR books which is kind of important cos it means Amazon are not allowed to base any part of the production on lore not specifically mentioned in the 3 LotR books.
Which saves a ton of cash but when the serie is being played out before said books it explains some of the lore stuff errors that bugs the shit out of many viewers.
Shortcuts biting Amazon in the ass.

[Triceron]

Prove that Tolkien thought adaptations of his other works were seen differently. Why would he, or anyone, feel different just because it "wasn't a book"?

He wasn't even supportive of LOTR adaptations for the most part, defaulting to selling the rights entirely and deeming it unfilmable.

What you're arguing is pure delusion, buddy. He was never all that supportive of LOTR adaptations after literally having a hand in the process multiple times, that is the takeaway.

If he were still alive today he wouldn't act as his younger self prior to going through that process and being hopefully optimistic from reading scripts and getting involved. He would be jaded and accepting of just selling the rights and not involving himself at all.

You're literally pointing at Tolkien as if personified before he sold the rights. That isn't what he would be if he were alive today.

[rhorle]

He wasn't even supportive of LOTR adaptations for the most part, defaulting to selling the rights entirely and deeming it unfilmable.

For the most part implies not against everything. Tolkien also already sold the rights in the letter where he talks about going against the core/heart of his works and that not all changes are bad. Strange how you an expert on knowing exactly how he would think doesn't know that even after it was pointed out to you.

You even agreed with me that it is silly to say one way or the other and yet here you are continuing to argue it. Strange, right?

There is no concrete proof and evidence for the discussion of speculation

[s_bushido]

Read an interesting article about the serie and why it has gone down badly to so many.

One of the things it mentioned was that Amazon only payed to use IP from the 3 LotR books which is kind of important cos it means Amazon are not allowed to base any part of the production on lore not specifically mentioned in the 3 LotR books.
Which saves a ton of cash but when the serie is being played out before said books it explains some of the lore stuff errors that bugs the shit out of many viewers.
Shortcuts biting Amazon in the ass.

idk man... There has been outage and upset since the very first rumors about the show came out: when someone found out that they were hiring a person whose job it was to deal with nudity. Which the outrage-mongers assumed was because "GoT bewbs"...but if the season so far is anything to go on, it would have simply been because that dude who fell to earth in a meteor wasn't wearing any clothes.