Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Myradin]

And as far as Star Trek goes: Discovery's getting a 5th season, Strange New Worlds a 2nd, Lower Decks a 4th, Picard a 3rd. The idea that studios would do shit like that just to keep up appearances is laughable...

Strange New Worlds was well received.
Lower Decks has been well received.
Discovery has...at least gotten better each season. It feels like they're trying to improve.
Picard s2 and 3 were shot at the same time, with 3 being announced as the end. Its effectively cancelled just framing it otherwise.

Hardcore fans will watch somehing even if its bad, hoping eventually it'll be good. Its why studios farm these IP's in the first place. Even if its crap it'll still do decently well due to sheer momentum.

[rhorle]

You are repeating yourself and just making false statements. He did not sell the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales or his notes before he died because he did not publish them.

I am not making any false statements. I said he either sold the rights before he died or those rights were sold in 1976 to the SZC before publication of the Silmarillion by his son Christopher. Which is true as the SZC had limited matching rights to the non-book works of Tolkien. I never said that is what Amazon has the rights to that stuff. Again you invent an argument rather then understanding what is being said to you.

The fact still remains that Tolkien never considered his work as final even after being published. It is silly to make a distinction between published and not published because it wasn't something that existed to him given what we know.

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That is not an "invention", just stop lying m8. the big orc who trashed Arondir around by example, completely unarmed, 100% bullshit

You said every orc. I said not every orc because some were armed. The only one grasping at straws here is yourself who just admitted I was right but you still have to argue. Lmao. Of course it doesn't erase the fact that some were not armed because that isn't what you, or I, claimed.

[Mace]

So I use Tolkien's words to prove you wrong but somehow I'm ignoring everything Tolkien says? Lmao. Pure projection. The Elves do not fit your view of them yet you choose to go with your head canon over that of the author. I have never denied that Rings of Power changes his works. Some things however change little or nothing at all when you actually get into depths of his work. Stop inventing arguments simply because you weren't correct about one aspect of Tolkien's world.

You are only kidding yourself. You know the portrayal of elves is bad - these aren’t Tolkien elves - they’ve taken huge liberties and presented the elves in a light that fits their own narrative and world view, not Tolkien’s.

Theoretically you could argue elves can behave like that. They can be as twisted as evil humans if they choose. But that you would focus on these unlikely presentations is mis representation.

Then, there is you, you take the exception to make the rule when it isn’t.

These certainly are not reflective of the description of elves in Tolkien’s work nor Peter Jackson’s adaptations’ characterisation.

They come offf cheap, lazy and lesser and I suspect it is for messaging reasons.

[rhorle]

Theoretically you could argue elves can behave like that. They can be as twisted as evil humans if they choose. But that you would focus on these unlikely presentations is mis representation. Then, there is you, you take the exception to make the rule when it isn’t.

Peter Jackson trumps JRR Tolkien now? Lol. It is crazy how you continue to say the author is the exception and you continue to go with your own head canon because you like it better. It is fine if you want to do that but don't try to pass your own view off as the real thing.

[Shadowferal]

You are only kidding yourself. You know the portrayal of elves is bad - these aren’t Tolkien elves - they’ve taken huge liberties and presented the elves in a light that fits their own narrative and world view, not Tolkien’s.

They do come across as more human than what I'd expect elves to be.

[Triceron]

I see. Instead of just admitting you were wrong and getting over it, you instead admit that you were wrong but have to salvage it with this "they both fell off a roof, but it's bad because they didn't instantly recover and start fighting again!!!" bullshit. /wanking motion

Couldn't take a moment to consider that maybe he was dazed/winded after hitting the ground? You know...since he was panting heavily? Or that he lost his weapon in the fall and had to go pick it up before attacking again?

No. Of course not. Because "the show's bad, so I'm going to be as uncharitable as possible about every little detail to make it seem even worse."

It's downright pathetic.

On second thought, I was wrong: It's fucking pathetic.

His whole point was about the orc not taking opportunity, while you split hairs about the technicality of who fell of the roof and who didn't.

You didn't address his point, you outright ignored it, then act surprised when he stayed on point.

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They do come across as more human than what I'd expect elves to be.

I think the only one that really feels like an Elf in the show is Elrond. They haven't been very convincing with the dialogue for the other Elves.

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Also, i liked it a lot, even with all its flaws.

It had its moments, but I wouldn't say I liked it. I couldn't lower my standards low enough to consider it likeable. The climax was really awkward and didn't feel grand at all, and it felt like the entire season was all build up with no payoff.

[kenn9530]

And as far as Star Trek goes: Discovery's getting a 5th season, Strange New Worlds a 2nd, Lower Decks a 4th, Picard a 3rd. The idea that studios would do shit like that just to keep up appearances is laughable...

It just goes to show you dont have any taste or cant see enjoyment in anything, if shows get renewed there is more than enough ppl to make it worthwhile to continue to make shows. If shows get renewed then they are more than good enough.

[Gumble]

It just goes to show you dont have any taste or cant see enjoyment in anything, if shows get renewed there is more than enough ppl to make it worthwhile to continue to make shows. If shows get renewed then they are more than good enough.

Jersey Shore, still running strong.

No account for taste, you're a perfect example of that.

[kenn9530]

You are only kidding yourself. You know the portrayal of elves is bad - these aren’t Tolkien elves - they’ve taken huge liberties and presented the elves in a light that fits their own narrative and world view, not Tolkien’s.

Theoretically you could argue elves can behave like that. They can be as twisted as evil humans if they choose. But that you would focus on these unlikely presentations is mis representation.

Then, there is you, you take the exception to make the rule when it isn’t.

These certainly are not reflective of the description of elves in Tolkien’s work nor Peter Jackson’s adaptations’ characterisation.

They come offf cheap, lazy and lesser and I suspect it is for messaging reasons.

Elves in LOTR are not some god species that is far beyond all other races, they have some good benefits and some elves are exceptional but most are not much better than men, you are trying to pass them off as something else when thats not backed up by how tolkien describes elves in the first place. They die just as easily as any race.

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Jersey Shore, still running strong.

No account for taste, you're a perfect example of that.

If it entertains a vast majority of ppl then its doing its job, noone has any right to claim something is bad if a show still gets continued for many years, all ppl want these days is to complain about everything because they are not happy in life, if you cant be happy something is being successful it says something about your character rather than what you are complaining about.

[rhorle]

Jersey Shore, still running strong. No account for taste, you're a perfect example of that.

Your argument is really that people have to like the same thing as you or its bad? Not to mention Jersey Shore did go off the air in 2012. A spinoff/new series premiered in 2018. Taste is subjective. Reality Shows have been insanely popular like Survivor and Big Brother regardless of your disdain.

[Sluvs]

last episode was cool.

The problem with the show so far is that is just too much setup. Too slow.

episode 4 & 5 could have been just one episode.The fact that they are dragging the worldbuilding on is hurting the show, it is making things hard to care about.

that being said, I am enjoying the show. But more things need to happen, this battle was supposed to happen on ep 5, if not sooner.

[Orby]

I dived deep into the Rings of Power fanbase and realised there is a huge ship demand for Galadriel x Halbrand, even if Halbrand turns out to be Sauron. xD

Like you have the anti Rings of Power fanbase, the 'Its all shit nothing is good about it and if you like it you are wrong' and then you have the 'this is the best show everone who hates it is an 'ist''.... then deeper than that you have the 'Galadriel x Halbrand, I don;t care if he is Sauron'...

Fanbases be fucked up xD

[Jotaux]

If he’s Sauron, I ship him and Galadriel. If he’s not then I don’t

[Triceron]

C'mon guys, we all know Halbrand is secretly Celeborn. This is 2nd Age before he turns into an Elf, sheesh.

[bledgor]

C'mon guys, we all know Halbrand is secretly Celeborn. This is 2nd Age before he turns into an Elf, sheesh.

Buddy of mine said they finally mention Celeborn next episode, once and thats all. Galadriel will say he is dead, so apparently she cares more about her brother than her dead husband, feels bad man.

[rhorle]

Buddy of mine said they finally mention Celeborn next episode, once and thats all. Galadriel will say he is dead, so apparently she cares more about her brother than her dead husband, feels bad man.

That rumor has been around for a while (earliest I saw was July). It got some details like Galadriel going into battle with the Queen Reagent of Numenor. So his death could be wrong and another reason for his absence could be used. I've also seen that the show runners implied Celeborn "has stuff prepared" for Season 2 but can't find the quote or summary of the London Event is was supposed to come from.

[Syegfryed]

I dived deep into the Rings of Power fanbase and realised there is a huge ship demand for Galadriel x Halbrand, even if Halbrand turns out to be Sauron. xD

Like you have the anti Rings of Power fanbase, the 'Its all shit nothing is good about it and if you like it you are wrong' and then you have the 'this is the best show everone who hates it is an 'ist''.... then deeper than that you have the 'Galadriel x Halbrand, I don;t care if he is Sauron'...

Fanbases be fucked up xD

There is no "anti-rings of power" fanbase, just people that see the show for what it is, completely amateurish, bad written show that make a mockery of Tolkien work.

[rhorle]

There is no "anti-rings of power" fanbase, just people that see the show for what it is, completely amateurish, bad written show that make a mockery of Tolkien work.

So there isn't a group of people against the show but there is a group of people against the show? There were people bashing the show before it even came out and you have all the people "hate watching" the show. What they are labeling "Anti-RoP" is the same group you describe even if you don't want that label attached.

[kenn9530]

There is no "anti-rings of power" fanbase, just people that see the show for what it is, completely amateurish, bad written show that make a mockery of Tolkien work.

Tolkiens work itself has been proven to be badly written in many places, the thing he was best known for is world building, his writing not so much, far too many plot holes, things that dont make sense at all like how can it take 100 years for elves to travel a very short distance, you dont need to like the show but dont pretend the books were magically free for major flaws. Even galadriel in the books is considered a minor character, she only got a little more light in the films.

[InfiniteCharger]

I am not making any false statements. I said he either sold the rights before he died or those rights were sold in 1976 to the SZC before publication of the Silmarillion by his son Christopher. Which is true as the SZC had limited matching rights to the non-book works of Tolkien. I never said that is what Amazon has the rights to that stuff. Again you invent an argument rather then understanding what is being said to you.

No what you said was he was OK with someone doing an adaptation of the second age and prior before he died when those things were not published before he died and not included in the rights for LOTR and The Hobbit. You keep saying this and you keep being wrong. So whatever happened after he died would be irrelevant to that. The Salzance or Embracer company does not have the movie or TV rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales or his notes, they only have the rights to a share of the profits if such rights are ever granted by the Tolkien Estate. And it wasn't the Salzance or Embracer company that floated this option for a TV show based on the appendices, this came from the Estate 5 years ago, long after Tolkien died as a loophole. So you keep being wrong and making conclusions that aren't supported by the facts.


You just keep repeating yourself, saying the same thing in different ways and keep being wrong.

And lets just agree do disagree since you refuse to stop repeating yourself.

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Tolkiens work itself has been proven to be badly written in many places, the thing he was best known for is world building, his writing not so much, far too many plot holes, things that dont make sense at all like how can it take 100 years for elves to travel a very short distance, you dont need to like the show but dont pretend the books were magically free for major flaws. Even galadriel in the books is considered a minor character, she only got a little more light in the films.

Proven by who to be badly written? Care to provide the sources? And how is he not known for his writing when his written work is one of the best selling novels of all time? Oh and Amazon is spending upwards of a billion dollars for the rights to a story from a writer who wasn't known for his writing. And he was a scholar of language and literature, but yeah, he wasn't good at writing. You can't even pretend to be serious with this nonsense.