Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Xath]

Folks just stop arguing with the person who tried to argue about details of a series with someone who has read/listened to it a dozen times without ever reading it just using stuff grabbed from wikis. It's just not worth it use the ignore button trust me.

[rhorle]

Then why the fuck did you argue that the Elves hit the Troll? Because Amazon certainly didn't show it!

The same reason why you argued it wasn't a fight? I was wrong. Can't you admit when you are wrong? This is why you harp on "hit" so much and continually fall back on to it as if it means something. It was one of the few times I've been outright wrong. So you continually bring it up in your weird fixation on being the anti-rhorle.

Amazon showed the elves fighting the ice troll. The same scenario happened in the last episode. Not every orc that was fighting got a hit in on their opponent. They were still fighting. I didn't change the Ice Troll scene as presented by Amazon just as I didn't change the scene with the Orcs from the last episode. It isn't bad faith to point out the silly accusations when you make them.

[Triceron]

The same reason why you argued it wasn't a fight? I was wrong. Can't you admit when you are wrong?

You obvipusly didn't remember the conversation if you think you admit you were wrong. Maybe you did at one point weeks after the conversation was already done, but you didn't when it was made known to you that you were wrong.
You kept deeming anyone who had issue with that scene as being a mere hater who had no reason to point out how the Elves literally contributed nothing in the fight.

You kept up with plenty of excuses. 'They weren't worthless because they didn't die' 'They had weapons drawn' 'You're complaining just because you hate the show'. You didn't admit shit when the conversation was relevant, yiu just kept looking for more shit to argue about.

Why do you think I'm pointing this out now? Because you're doing the exact same thing as you always do. Just like you just tried to spin the argument like 'I can't change Amazon's videos!' as if anything even implied that bullshit lol.

You can stop pretending to be something you aren't. I know how you argue. I know what you resort to even when proven wrong. I know you're not interested in any decent discussion on the show, you're just here to shitpost and call people out on their 'silly arguments'.

And I'm here to tell you exactly why you're not what you think you are.

[rhorle]

You obvipusly didn't remember the conversation if you think you admit you were wrong.

I told you I was wrong at least once in this thread. I stopped claiming they were hit at the time. Learn to let it go and not to hold grudges in an online discussion. Worthless was a separate discussion from "hit". Stop trying to conflate two different claims. The distraction they caused, even if unintentional, allowed for Galadrial to do her flying surprise attack.

There are definitely people hate-watching this series. You can tell because they do nothing but hate on the show but still show up every episode to complain or read the thread. Yet any time I counter people that dislike the show you start to throw insults and derail the thread. Strange, right? You even took issue when I countered someone that likes the show. You get upset at anything I post. Lol.

I can't change Amazon's videos. The scene is as I described it back then and as I described it now. Just like the last episode had fight scenes with orcs that didn't always hit their target. It was still a fight scene. Isn't it amazing how you haven't tried to argue the Orc fight last episode wasn't a fight scene? Again, strange right? It should be an easy thing if I'm wrong, right?

[Triceron]

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There are definitely people hate-watching this series. You can tell because they do nothing but hate on the show but still show up every episode to complain or read the thread. Yet any time I counter people that dislike the show you start to throw insults and derail the thread. Strange, right? You even took issue when I countered someone that likes the show. You get upset at anything I post. Lol.

Yeah I know first hand because you called me a hater even though I told you straight up I'm just pointing out things wrong with the show that shouldn't have been done in the way it was and how it could improve instead, some which the show has improved on, some which carries on the same problems that existed since the first episode.

So when you try and turn things around and say you're here to be civil?. Fuck that dude, I tried that with our first conversations here and you just kept pushing the hater angle and arguing for the sake of it. You're full of shit, and everyone knows it here lol. You aren't interested in a conversation, and as soon as I gave you the chance to start a fresh new conversation, you stop responding lol.

Not sure what you're trying to pretend to be, everyones how full of shit you are. All you want to do is argue dude. Want me to remind you how fast you shut the fuck up after you argued how I was pandering to low ratings till you realized I wasn't talking about ratings? Yeah, you had nothing to say after there was nothing left for you to argue.

Have you even participated in one good discussion here? Gave your genuine thoughts of the latest episode? Haven't seen it if you did. All I see you do is pick arguments with people who 'hate the show', now with people who like the show.

Fuckin hypocrite lol.

[Syegfryed]

You've disliked the show from the episode premiere. I'm pretty sure If I asked you would think it should be cancelled or everyone fired and a new (i.e. better) team should handle it, right? You are against the show and it really is silly to be so concerned with that label. Are you under the assumption that being against something means you can't have valid complaints?

Do you realize that wanting a better team, people who actually can write something, is the opposite of the definition of being against it?

Even if people were 'against it" your ramblings about then would only be coherent if they arguments were wrong, the show is garbage, period, besides CGI and music everything is below the average and rock botton. simple as that.

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Folks just stop arguing with the person who tried to argue about details of a series with someone who has read/listened to it a dozen times without ever reading it just using stuff grabbed from wikis. It's just not worth it use the ignore button trust me.

Yeah, last mistake i did here

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[Orby]

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I used to love Shadiversity then found out he went all grifter (which I kinda believe he has always been). Which is a shame, I still like his historical knowledge and his weapon talks are a lot of fun, but I steer clear from his second channel. He isn't the worst of them, but having seen some of his opinions on the show through his Knights Watch channel, I just cannot watch that shit.

[Shadowferal]

Shadeversity does emphasize the previous point raised by most everyone here in this thread that much of the fight choreography is just so much trash. And the supposed "Numenoreans" are a joke.

[Syegfryed]

I used to love Shadiversity then found out he went all grifter (which I kinda believe he has always been). Which is a shame, I still like his historical knowledge and his weapon talks are a lot of fun, but I steer clear from his second channel. He isn't the worst of them, but having seen some of his opinions on the show through his Knights Watch channel, I just cannot watch that shit.

I mean, he has to put a character to stand out and get viewers, so obviously things will be him goofing and ranting, but his opinions are not wrong, he says why he think something and explain it, at least in the few videos i saw, i don't see much of it.

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Shadeversity does emphasize the previous point raised by most everyone here in this thread that much of the fight choreography is just so much trash. And the supposed "Numenoreans" are a joke.

Apparently, they film that entire scene in one day and didn't used stunts. Rly explains why it was that bad

[Triceron]

Shad's not bad, he's got a lot of indepth knowledge. But he plays it up and I think he's too opinionated at times. He flips his shit way too easily. Probably part of the character, but it gets old fast.

I don't even think RoP is worth analyzing, the swordplay is pure fantasy.

[Orby]

I mean, he has to put a character to stand out and get viewers, so obviously things will be him goofing and ranting, but his opinions are not wrong, he says why he think something and explain it, at least in the few videos i saw, i don't see much of it.

True but its also the presentation, its the Angry Joe syndrome of reviews I am not a fan of, I kind of outgrew it 10 years ago. Not much constructive is said its just yelling very loudly, and more nit picking for the sake of nit picking and its doesn't create a positive critical outlook, only spreading this bitter angry nerd outlook that no one is going to take seriously outside of conservative white males for the most part. Which it does seem more catered to. No offensive to you conservatives which will no doubt be coming at me now)

And this isnt me defending the show. I still think the show is underwhelming and hasn't been the standard I expect, but I feel there's a way to present your criticisms. And Shad while I love his history stuff, his very right wing leaning views (and he has admitted he is a right wing Christian conservative) pander to what alot of those right wing or grifty channels provide. And its usually the reason why constructive criticism gets thrown under the bus when it comes to talking about issues with the show. Cos showrunners see their shit and now all criticisms are that, and I aint saying that all those channels have racist or racism agendas but the way they present it does make it come off that way, when you have a thumb nail thats blue haired lady looking triggered, or the constant titles using words like 'SJW' or 'Woke', or constantly highlight the diverse casting picturing them in your thumbnail, then you know how people are going to react.

His opinion on the Galadriel swordplay, while is legit, you can say the same for every show this way, 90% of shows with sword fighting are bad because the majority of people who watch don't give a shit about how someone swings their sword lol. The show is a play, its acting, its not supposed to be accurate sword play, no one is going to care unless you nit pick it. and sure making videos to analyse these sword play is fun, but its a horrible tool to just bash the show, which doesn't need further help on that :P

and I know why they do it, these reactions bring in massive views, people love it. And you cannot beat outrage. People love the extreme reactions, no one wants a positive in depth critical piece. people wanna see characters being over the top and silly and loud that's the sad part of it. and you can still have that, but when its your only form of outlook it becomes a bit of an issue.

EDIT: I also feel bad for calling it Angry Joe syndrome, because it should be AVGN syndrome of review, since I think James Rolfe really made it popular.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There is no "anti-rings of power" fanbase, just people that see the show for what it is, completely amateurish, bad written show that make a mockery of Tolkien work.

This thread alone broke 100 pages month before the show was out due to people hating on the show without seeing any bad writing or how the show was amateurish, there is absolutely an anti fanbase and has been one since they said they were casting outside of just white people.

[Ghost of Cow]

Breaking down fantasy fights is usually pretty silly anyway. There's absolutely no promise of realism or anything, and "One person is just awesome enough to beat everyone." is a very common trope that's hard to translate visually without just making all the opponents look silly.

[Specialka]

This thread alone broke 100 pages month before the show was out due to people hating on the show without seeing any bad writing or how the show was amateurish, there is absolutely an anti fanbase and has been one since they said they were casting outside of just white people.

That would mean that that fanbase has some level of organisation which is not the case, at least on this forum. Just people not agreeing with the casting choice and so on.

[Soikona]

This thread alone broke 100 pages month before the show was out due to people hating on the show without seeing any bad writing or how the show was amateurish, there is absolutely an anti fanbase and has been one since they said they were casting outside of just white people.

Or the trailers just didn’t look good? I went in with blind faith, similar to the halo series, and just hated ROP. It felt like a generic high fantasy series, nothing Tolkien about it except for the name.

Loved halo though, even with it being against the lore, and even with them, as you put it, “ casting outside of just white people” because apparently disliking something due to its poor acting and worse script makes you racist now.

Don’t we just love 2022!

[Triceron]

This thread alone broke 100 pages month before the show was out due to people hating on the show without seeing any bad writing or how the show was amateurish, there is absolutely an anti fanbase and has been one since they said they were casting outside of just white people.

I don't have a problem with the casting but I called it out for forced diversity all the same, and I still enjoy the show. Maybe you just don't recognize that different individuals have different opinions without being lumped into some 'anti' group.

Think of how ridiculous it would be to label anyone who actively likes the show and defends its creative decisions as being 'anti-Tolkien' for the sake of argument.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That would mean that that fanbase has some level of organisation which is not the case, at least on this forum. Just people not agreeing with the casting choice and so on.

You don’t need to be organized to be a fan base or an anti fanbase, hell I doubt you could one a single organized fanbase for any thing you will always have diverging opinions and interest even if people agree they like or dislike something.

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Or the trailers just didn’t look good? I went in with blind faith, similar to the halo series, and just hated ROP. It felt like a generic high fantasy series, nothing Tolkien about it except for the name.

Loved halo though, even with it being against the lore, and even with them, as you put it, “ casting outside of just white people” because apparently disliking something due to its poor acting and worse script makes you racist now.

Don’t we just love 2022!

You can go through the thread it’s all still there with handy dates, people were causing a stink when the casting was announced and when just posters were revealed, before any trailers before any one saw any acting or knew any of the script.

The trailers did last to a stark increase but even before there were any trailers at all you had an anti fanbase growing with YouTubers pumping out hate videos based on jsut the cast/posters.

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I don't have a problem with the casting but I called it out for forced diversity all the same, and I still enjoy the show. Maybe you just don't recognize that different individuals have different opinions without being lumped into some 'anti' group.

Think of how ridiculous it would be to label anyone who actively likes the show and defends its creative decisions as being 'anti-Tolkien' for the sake of argument.

Any one bemoaning Tolkiens works for pages on end with little to no knowledge of said work is absolutely anti Tolkien and there are even one or two people like that in this thread.

There is also a notable difference between some one being sceptical or having concerns about and people who hate watch just for the sake of complaining and who were bemoaning the show and how awful it would be before we saw any of about it beyond casting.

[Metekaikr]

thanks for sharing

[Triceron]

There is also a notable difference between some one being sceptical or having concerns about and people who hate watch just for the sake of complaining and who were bemoaning the show and how awful it would be before we saw any of about it beyond casting.

Guess that all depends on who you talk to, heh. Some people don't seem to regard a difference at all. Like Rhorle.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Guess that all depends on who you talk to, heh. Some people don't seem to regard a difference at all. Like Rhorle.

I can’t say I’ve read enough of Rhorle’s post to say if they fall into that category but there absolutely some people who compound actual hate watching with just any criticism.