Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[rhorle]

They didn't fight back. It's not wrong, lol. They were being taken out before they even engage in any combat. Having a weapon ready doesn't constitute fighting.

Again you start up this dead horse argument just you can argue for the sake of it. They did fight back. The scene shows some in close proximity which would happen if they were fighting. Remember you only hyper-focused on the "hit" part of the argument because you were proven wrong on the "Fight" part. If a weapon ready and engaging the target isn't "fighting" then nothing is. Most of the Orcs in the last episode were not "fighting" because they also did not hit their targets. This is why you dropped the fight argument back then and why you are a fool to try and use it again now. This is again why you hyper focused on hit and endlessly bringing it up. Because it was the one fact of the scene you got right.

[kenn9530]

Proven by who to be badly written? Care to provide the sources? And how is he not known for his writing when his written work is one of the best selling novels of all time? Oh and Amazon is spending upwards of a billion dollars for the rights to a story from a writer who wasn't known for his writing. And he was a scholar of language and literature, but yeah, he wasn't good at writing. You can't even pretend to be serious with this nonsense.

Amazon are using the popularity the films had to make money, nothing to do with the books at all since the books were barely known before the films, the books are full of flaws to bad plots holes and just things that make no sense, so moaning about so called flaws in a tv series when the books are flawed makes no sense. Being a scholar of language and lit doesnt make you perfect at writing a book.

Tolkien was barely known while he was alive and most of the success is from the films. He knew with his style of writing it would be harder to implement it into a film.

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Tolkien work is not badly written, and even the shittiest of the tolkien writing is hundreds of times better than the show.

Saying the show is garbage in no way shape or form is pretending that the books does not have flaws, you are just using fallacies.

Galadriel in the books, even with minor roles was a good character, in the show she is a insufferable sociopath.

It is badly written tons of holes, to things that make no sense and heavily biased towards women, doesnt matter if you dont enjoy something most ppl actually like RoP so everything you say complaining about it means nothing, if the writing in LOTR was so good then it could easily be made into a film but changes had to be made to make it actually good to be a film.

[rhorle]

Amazon are using the popularity the films had to make money, nothing to do with the books at all since the books were barely known before the films, the books are full of flaws to bad plots holes and just things that make no sense, so moaning about so called flaws in a tv series when the books are flawed makes no sense. Being a scholar of language and lit doesnt make you perfect at writing a book.

Much of the critical response to Tolkien was that he didn't follow any of the usual rules for writing a book. Overly detailed, rambling, etc. It is a matter of opinion if these are actual flaws or not and is usually how the critics frame their comments against Tolkien. There are still real flaws in the story. The inconsistencies, plot holes, and other stuff. Some have been changed and even though later in life Tolkien said he no longer cared about those things he tried to fix them as they were found.

Is it bad writing? Maybe if you use traditional or categorical standards. If ignoring those is it bad writing? Not really. It is interesting though when authors that do some of the same things as Tolkien don't find the same acceptance. Likely due to the elevation of his work. If the work was never elevated in the 60's and 70's it may be that he wouldn't be as praised for the same things.

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Mist...kien%27s_works

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heavily biased towards women

This is a strange argument to make since the women in his world often didn't see that much development. It is a known thing that he viewed women as "lesser". Not to the extent of misogyny but certainly a view he held. A reflection of the time? Catholicism at the time? Or other things? Likely they all played a role in it and that view got reflected in the story and world he built. Of course he does have important women but it is still a male-centric tale. In his stories it isn't something that is bad for existing. But it hardly is favoring women.

[Triceron]

Because it was the one fact of the scene you got right.

Nah, it's because it's a scene you completely changed in order to perpetuate an argument where there was none.

"I've merely commented on silly notions by posters", what a joke. Most of the time you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, even going as far as changing the facts to do so. Just like you're still doing by implying those Elves were actually fighting lol.

I mean what kind of delusion must there be for someone who suggests that we should have good discussions in this thread instead of criticisms, but then never actually engages in good discussions and only ever replies to 'silly notions' just for the sake of arguing? Fucking hypocrites lol

[rhorle]

Nah, it's because it's a scene you completely changed in order to perpetuate an argument where there was none.

I have the power to change a video on Amazon's servers? You have the gall to call me delusional after a claim like that. I've engaged in plenty of good discussions including some just above your reply. It also disproves your "tribal claim" as I'll point out problems both sides use. Again you show your hand at how rabid you'll act towards any post I make. I've really managed to take up rent free head space, huh?

[Triceron]

I have the power to change a video on Amazon's servers? You have the gall to call me delusional after a claim like that.

LOL! See, more of that delusion.

Where did I say you changed a video on Amazon's servers? I didn't, yet you're making an argument where there is none for the sake of arguing it.

You don't even realize you're delusional, do you? You're literally making arguments where there are none, changing the facts of the matter just to argue shit. Like, why are you even here dude? Have you even engaged in a single GOOD discussion here about the show?

It also disproves your "tribal claim" as I'll point out problems both sides use.

Nah dude, just means you're a Joker style troll. You're here to see everything burn. That's your tribe, dude. You don't really give a fuck about discussing this show in good faith, you just want to use your knowledge of Tolkien's works and the of the show to gatekeep anyone who has anything remotely negative to say about the show. You get your kicks out of 'showing people how silly they are'. And right now, you'd even do it to supporters of the show when they say something you deem 'silly'.

You don't actually care about having a 'civil conversation' at all, lol.

[rhorle]

Where did I say you changed a video on Amazon's servers?

Nah, it's because it's a scene you completely changed in order to perpetuate an argument where there was none.

Lol. I didn't change the scene because I can't change what Amazon showed. I have plenty of civil conversations and rarely take it to insults first.

[Syegfryed]

Bad period is an anti-stance and not "I don't like the taste of mangos". You've been against the show since the premier Don't start inventing arguments about tribalism to sooth your ego. This is nothing more then a commentary on you disliking the anti-label yet hating on everything about the show.

Im not "against it" im simple pointing the show is awful, by presenting facts that happened in the show

Thats why you can't argue against then, and start using fallacies

or don't let this thread exist solely as a echo chamber of hate.

this thread is an echo chamber of garbage, cause the show is garbage, to talk about it we have to point the bad plots and bad writing of the show

If you don't want us to discuss what actually happen in the show, then it's going to be an echo chamber

[Triceron]

Lol. I didn't change the scene because I can't change what Amazon showed. I have plenty of civil conversations and rarely take it to insults first.

LOL

Not taking to insults first doesn't excuse you of bad faithing your fucking conversations, like 'I didn't change the scene because I can't change what Amazon showed'

Then why the fuck did you argue that the Elves hit the Troll? Because Amazon certainly didn't show it! Didn't stop you from arguing anyone who thinks the Elves literally did nothing against the Snow Troll in that scene.

[rhorle]

Im not "against it" im simple pointing the show is awful, by presenting facts that happened in the show

You've disliked the show from the episode premiere. I'm pretty sure If I asked you would think it should be cancelled or everyone fired and a new (i.e. better) team should handle it, right? You are against the show and it really is silly to be so concerned with that label. Are you under the assumption that being against something means you can't have valid complaints?

[Xath]

Folks just stop arguing with the person who tried to argue about details of a series with someone who has read/listened to it a dozen times without ever reading it just using stuff grabbed from wikis. It's just not worth it use the ignore button trust me.

[rhorle]

Then why the fuck did you argue that the Elves hit the Troll? Because Amazon certainly didn't show it!

The same reason why you argued it wasn't a fight? I was wrong. Can't you admit when you are wrong? This is why you harp on "hit" so much and continually fall back on to it as if it means something. It was one of the few times I've been outright wrong. So you continually bring it up in your weird fixation on being the anti-rhorle.

Amazon showed the elves fighting the ice troll. The same scenario happened in the last episode. Not every orc that was fighting got a hit in on their opponent. They were still fighting. I didn't change the Ice Troll scene as presented by Amazon just as I didn't change the scene with the Orcs from the last episode. It isn't bad faith to point out the silly accusations when you make them.

[Triceron]

The same reason why you argued it wasn't a fight? I was wrong. Can't you admit when you are wrong?

You obvipusly didn't remember the conversation if you think you admit you were wrong. Maybe you did at one point weeks after the conversation was already done, but you didn't when it was made known to you that you were wrong.
You kept deeming anyone who had issue with that scene as being a mere hater who had no reason to point out how the Elves literally contributed nothing in the fight.

You kept up with plenty of excuses. 'They weren't worthless because they didn't die' 'They had weapons drawn' 'You're complaining just because you hate the show'. You didn't admit shit when the conversation was relevant, yiu just kept looking for more shit to argue about.

Why do you think I'm pointing this out now? Because you're doing the exact same thing as you always do. Just like you just tried to spin the argument like 'I can't change Amazon's videos!' as if anything even implied that bullshit lol.

You can stop pretending to be something you aren't. I know how you argue. I know what you resort to even when proven wrong. I know you're not interested in any decent discussion on the show, you're just here to shitpost and call people out on their 'silly arguments'.

And I'm here to tell you exactly why you're not what you think you are.

[rhorle]

You obvipusly didn't remember the conversation if you think you admit you were wrong.

I told you I was wrong at least once in this thread. I stopped claiming they were hit at the time. Learn to let it go and not to hold grudges in an online discussion. Worthless was a separate discussion from "hit". Stop trying to conflate two different claims. The distraction they caused, even if unintentional, allowed for Galadrial to do her flying surprise attack.

There are definitely people hate-watching this series. You can tell because they do nothing but hate on the show but still show up every episode to complain or read the thread. Yet any time I counter people that dislike the show you start to throw insults and derail the thread. Strange, right? You even took issue when I countered someone that likes the show. You get upset at anything I post. Lol.

I can't change Amazon's videos. The scene is as I described it back then and as I described it now. Just like the last episode had fight scenes with orcs that didn't always hit their target. It was still a fight scene. Isn't it amazing how you haven't tried to argue the Orc fight last episode wasn't a fight scene? Again, strange right? It should be an easy thing if I'm wrong, right?

[Triceron]

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There are definitely people hate-watching this series. You can tell because they do nothing but hate on the show but still show up every episode to complain or read the thread. Yet any time I counter people that dislike the show you start to throw insults and derail the thread. Strange, right? You even took issue when I countered someone that likes the show. You get upset at anything I post. Lol.

Yeah I know first hand because you called me a hater even though I told you straight up I'm just pointing out things wrong with the show that shouldn't have been done in the way it was and how it could improve instead, some which the show has improved on, some which carries on the same problems that existed since the first episode.

So when you try and turn things around and say you're here to be civil?. Fuck that dude, I tried that with our first conversations here and you just kept pushing the hater angle and arguing for the sake of it. You're full of shit, and everyone knows it here lol. You aren't interested in a conversation, and as soon as I gave you the chance to start a fresh new conversation, you stop responding lol.

Not sure what you're trying to pretend to be, everyones how full of shit you are. All you want to do is argue dude. Want me to remind you how fast you shut the fuck up after you argued how I was pandering to low ratings till you realized I wasn't talking about ratings? Yeah, you had nothing to say after there was nothing left for you to argue.

Have you even participated in one good discussion here? Gave your genuine thoughts of the latest episode? Haven't seen it if you did. All I see you do is pick arguments with people who 'hate the show', now with people who like the show.

Fuckin hypocrite lol.

[Syegfryed]

You've disliked the show from the episode premiere. I'm pretty sure If I asked you would think it should be cancelled or everyone fired and a new (i.e. better) team should handle it, right? You are against the show and it really is silly to be so concerned with that label. Are you under the assumption that being against something means you can't have valid complaints?

Do you realize that wanting a better team, people who actually can write something, is the opposite of the definition of being against it?

Even if people were 'against it" your ramblings about then would only be coherent if they arguments were wrong, the show is garbage, period, besides CGI and music everything is below the average and rock botton. simple as that.

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Folks just stop arguing with the person who tried to argue about details of a series with someone who has read/listened to it a dozen times without ever reading it just using stuff grabbed from wikis. It's just not worth it use the ignore button trust me.

Yeah, last mistake i did here

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[Orby]

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I used to love Shadiversity then found out he went all grifter (which I kinda believe he has always been). Which is a shame, I still like his historical knowledge and his weapon talks are a lot of fun, but I steer clear from his second channel. He isn't the worst of them, but having seen some of his opinions on the show through his Knights Watch channel, I just cannot watch that shit.

[Shadowferal]

Shadeversity does emphasize the previous point raised by most everyone here in this thread that much of the fight choreography is just so much trash. And the supposed "Numenoreans" are a joke.

[Syegfryed]

I used to love Shadiversity then found out he went all grifter (which I kinda believe he has always been). Which is a shame, I still like his historical knowledge and his weapon talks are a lot of fun, but I steer clear from his second channel. He isn't the worst of them, but having seen some of his opinions on the show through his Knights Watch channel, I just cannot watch that shit.

I mean, he has to put a character to stand out and get viewers, so obviously things will be him goofing and ranting, but his opinions are not wrong, he says why he think something and explain it, at least in the few videos i saw, i don't see much of it.

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Shadeversity does emphasize the previous point raised by most everyone here in this thread that much of the fight choreography is just so much trash. And the supposed "Numenoreans" are a joke.

Apparently, they film that entire scene in one day and didn't used stunts. Rly explains why it was that bad

[Triceron]

Shad's not bad, he's got a lot of indepth knowledge. But he plays it up and I think he's too opinionated at times. He flips his shit way too easily. Probably part of the character, but it gets old fast.

I don't even think RoP is worth analyzing, the swordplay is pure fantasy.