Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Xath]

I mean, you can just opt to not watch it.

I don't understand this obsession to cancel shit. That's like some woke bullshit.

If a property is currently being aired it's very unlikely to get a new series. The sooner it gets canceled the faster the timer starts on maybe getting a faithful adaptation.

[Orby]

Let's not forget we still got that animated Middle Earth film... The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim



Unfortunately we will have to wait till April 12, 2024

[Unforgivenn]

That won't happen. Season 2 is already in production and was so before this season even aired. It does well enough to not cut season 2 at this point.

And bezzos is defending the series, so even if it wasnt doing well he probably would still pay to make all four seasons they planned

[Triceron]

If a property is currently being aired it's very unlikely to get a new series. The sooner it gets canceled the faster the timer starts on maybe getting a faithful adaptation.

That's just as unlikely, so trying to justify cancel culture bullshit with this reasoning still makes it cancel culture bullshit.

Like others said, theres already a rohirrim animated series.

[Logwyn]

Also what the fuck happened to Mt Doom? Did it shrink?

Things look smaller far away? If they were right at the base of the mountain you'd be screaming how did anyone live to be that close.....

For someone that hates the series so much why do you keep watching?

[Xath]

That's just as unlikely, so trying to justify cancel culture bullshit with this reasoning still makes it cancel culture bullshit.

Like others said, theres already a rohirrim animated series.

I don't think you know what cancel culture means lol

[downnola]

Things look smaller far away? If they were right at the base of the mountain you'd be screaming how did anyone live to be that close.....

For someone that hates the series so much why do you keep watching?

I like coming back to this thread after I watch the latest episode to see if I can make it a page or two into the discussion without asking the same question. If you go back far enough in the thread, you'll find that the series was basically a dud before it was even released. Each episode is just further confirmation that the series is bad because it's not a faithful adaptation of Tolkien's Peter Jackson's work. It's the same long whine in each page of the thread. The acting is bad and the writing is terrible. Mind you, it's never explained in any real detail why the acting and writing are bad (aside from nonsense nitpicking), but it is, trust me bro.

If anything, the series so far keeps the spirit of Tolkien's work far better than the Jackson movies did. It's part of why Tolkien's estate kept him excluded from production despite the wish of Amazon to get him involved to maintain some continuity with the films. I'm sure that's crushing news for the Tolkien Jackson purists in the thread who hope the series is canceled before season 2.

Womp womp.

[druchii5]

Some people have mentioned it already, but despite the budget and decked-out visual effects, something about the show still makes the world very small-scale and less epic in scope compared to the LotR Trilogy, and even the Hobbit films I daresay. I can't put my finger on what it is...

[everydaygamer]

Some people have mentioned it already, but despite the budget and decked-out visual effects, something about the show still makes the world very small-scale and less epic in scope compared to the LotR Trilogy, and even the Hobbit films I daresay. I can't put my finger on what it is...

Probably because it is smaller. The story is still in the process of setting things up and I imagine it won't start to feel grander until all the stories come together and the threat is finished being established.

[rogoth]

I like coming back to this thread after I watch the latest episode to see if I can make it a page or two into the discussion without asking the same question. If you go back far enough in the thread, you'll find that the series was basically a dud before it was even released. Each episode is just further confirmation that the series is bad because it's not a faithful adaptation of Tolkien's Peter Jackson's work. It's the same long whine in each page of the thread. The acting is bad and the writing is terrible. Mind you, it's never explained in any real detail why the acting and writing are bad (aside from nonsense nitpicking), but it is, trust me bro.

If anything, the series so far keeps the spirit of Tolkien's work far better than the Jackson movies did. It's part of why Tolkien's estate kept him excluded from production despite the wish of Amazon to get him involved to maintain some continuity with the films. I'm sure that's crushing news for the Tolkien Jackson purists in the thread who hope the series is canceled before season 2.

Womp womp.

the writing style is amateur in nature as critiqued by multiple best selling authors and other writers who have written their own works, the entire script is so badly written that the whole premise of the show is something a school student would come up with, it's also reinforced that the writers for this project are amateurs because they had been writing scripts and other things for over a decade, none of their work was published or made into a show/movie, meaning that in the eyes of EVERYONE involved with hollywood during that period of time, they didn't see them as worthwhile writers to back in any capacity but somehow magically they are good enough to helm the most expensive TV show in history? i think not.

the acting in various ways has been critiqued to be bad for the same reason the writing is bad, the actors chosen for the majority of the main roles are amateurs or semi-professional actors who have little to no back catalogue of major acting credit to their name but are somehow magically meant to be believed to be good at their craft?, all of the fight choreography has been shown to be amateur in nature by the very fact that it shows how bad the actors are in those scenes, the direction and filming crew are shown as amateurish by the fact that the angles they shoot scenes from is all wrong, and has been shown by professionals in the space showing how they did it in the show versus how it should be done and how it has been done historically on big budget productions in other areas, and the contrast is night and day in terms of competency.

based on your asinine comment it seems none of these genuine and legitimate criticisms mean anything because it doesn't align with your world view, therefore they can't be correct at all, and as an aside, the actress who plays the main lead role has 2 facial expressions, angry, and holding in a shit, there's no other alternatives and it's comical that this amateur stage actor with 1 previous named role to her name is in your eyes considered a credible lead character, it speaks volumes really that you're so dense to enjoy this dross that you think it actually reflects the established lore in any way despite the myriad plot holes and outright bastardisations of the lore evident to anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the original works, which clearly you do not based on your comment, so unless you have some compelling evidence to support your stance that this show is good, i wouldn't bother coming back to the thread because all you're doing is wasting everyone's time by defending the indefensible.

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Some people have mentioned it already, but despite the budget and decked-out visual effects, something about the show still makes the world very small-scale and less epic in scope compared to the LotR Trilogy, and even the Hobbit films I daresay. I can't put my finger on what it is...

because every single shot in the show is small scale, none of the shots where there's any actual dialogue happening are large scale this is highlighted comically by the fact that they had to copy/paste and CGI a crowd into a tiny little space in one of the florist - turned - military leader scenes, where there's so much photoshop duplication that the actual number of extras used for that scene was counted to be ~15 unique people, whereas in the PJ trilogy the last charge of the Rohirrim scene had over 400 extras all on horseback alone, not counting the actors and real people that were used as the orcish frontline for the charge, as it stands right now this entire show has less than that as a cast for the ENTIRE project so far, so obviously with little to no background characters, small sets where literally everything happens in the same few streets or glades, there's no sense of scale because the amateur writers and showrunners don't know how to do scale, same reason there's no sense to time because they have decided they wanted to sandwich 4000 years worth of events into a matter of a couple of decades and having anything that provides any form of reference point for the passage of time would completely undo their whole narrative and undermine the show as a whole.

[ringpriest]

the writing style is amateur in nature as critiqued by multiple best selling authors and other writers who have written their own works, the entire script is so badly written that the whole premise of the show is something a school student would come up with, it's also reinforced that the writers for this project are amateurs because they had been writing scripts and other things for over a decade, none of their work was published or made into a show/movie, meaning that in the eyes of EVERYONE involved with hollywood during that period of time, they didn't see them as worthwhile writers to back in any capacity but somehow magically they are good enough to helm the most expensive TV show in history? i think not.

the acting in various ways has been critiqued to be bad for the same reason the writing is bad, the actors chosen for the majority of the main roles are amateurs or semi-professional actors who have little to no back catalogue of major acting credit to their name but are somehow magically meant to be believed to be good at their craft?, all of the fight choreography has been shown to be amateur in nature by the very fact that it shows how bad the actors are in those scenes, the direction and filming crew are shown as amateurish by the fact that the angles they shoot scenes from is all wrong, and has been shown by professionals in the space showing how they did it in the show versus how it should be done and how it has been done historically on big budget productions in other areas, and the contrast is night and day in terms of competency.

based on your asinine comment it seems none of these genuine and legitimate criticisms mean anything because it doesn't align with your world view, therefore they can't be correct at all, and as an aside, the actress who plays the main lead role has 2 facial expressions, angry, and holding in a shit, there's no other alternatives and it's comical that this amateur stage actor with 1 previous named role to her name is in your eyes considered a credible lead character, it speaks volumes really that you're so dense to enjoy this dross that you think it actually reflects the established lore in any way despite the myriad plot holes and outright bastardisations of the lore evident to anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the original works, which clearly you do not based on your comment, so unless you have some compelling evidence to support your stance that this show is good, i wouldn't bother coming back to the thread because all you're doing is wasting everyone's time by defending the indefensible.

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because every single shot in the show is small scale, none of the shots where there's any actual dialogue happening are large scale this is highlighted comically by the fact that they had to copy/paste and CGI a crowd into a tiny little space in one of the florist - turned - military leader scenes, where there's so much photoshop duplication that the actual number of extras used for that scene was counted to be ~15 unique people, whereas in the PJ trilogy the last charge of the Rohirrim scene had over 400 extras all on horseback alone, not counting the actors and real people that were used as the orcish frontline for the charge, as it stands right now this entire show has less than that as a cast for the ENTIRE project so far, so obviously with little to no background characters, small sets where literally everything happens in the same few streets or glades, there's no sense of scale because the amateur writers and showrunners don't know how to do scale, same reason there's no sense to time because they have decided they wanted to sandwich 4000 years worth of events into a matter of a couple of decades and having anything that provides any form of reference point for the passage of time would completely undo their whole narrative and undermine the show as a whole.

I get what you're going for, but you oversold it. It's not funny when done at this level of heavy-handedness. A single "paragraph" would have been more than enough, but instead you seem trying to transcend Eye of Argon levels here. (And Eye is funny because it's so obviously both sincere and off just enough. Your post overshoots both by a large margin.)

[jonnysensible]

the writing style is amateur in nature as critiqued by multiple best selling authors and other writers who have written their own works

this is an appeal to authority not a criticism, he asked for detail

the entire script is so badly written that the whole premise of the show is something a school student would come up with, it's also reinforced that the writers for this project are amateurs because they had been writing scripts and other things for over a decade, none of their work was published or made into a show/movie, meaning that in the eyes of EVERYONE involved with hollywood during that period of time, they didn't see them as worthwhile writers to back in any capacity but somehow magically they are good enough to helm the most expensive TV show in history? i think not.

I googled this and seems like you are badly wrong : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennifer_Hutchison

the acting in various ways has been critiqued to be bad for the same reason the writing is bad, the actors chosen for the majority of the main roles are amateurs or semi-professional actors who have little to no back catalogue of major acting credit to their name but are somehow magically meant to be believed to be good at their craft?, all of the fight choreography has been shown to be amateur in nature by the very fact that it shows how bad the actors are in those scenes,

This also seems to be nonsense dis proven with a light googling of who the actors are..

the direction and filming crew are shown as amateurish by the fact that the angles they shoot scenes from is all wrong, and has been shown by professionals in the space showing how they did it in the show versus how it should be done and how it has been done historically on big budget productions in other areas, and the contrast is night and day in terms of competency.

this is also nonsense and a childish criticism along with another appeal to authority

i wouldn't bother coming back to the thread because all you're doing is wasting everyone's time by defending the indefensible.

your criticism's are garbage they have less substance than this show (and i dont even like it!)

[Triceron]

I don't think you know what cancel culture means lol

What I'm saying is you guys are using the same bullshit principles as cancel culture. Same short-sighted values.

[rhorle]

the actual number of extras used for that scene was counted to be ~15 unique people

Why is this even a problem? There was a global pandemic and "unique" extras are not important to a show in any capacity. Peter Jackson's extras were just a faceless number. They might as well have been CGI. They also dressed women up as a men to fill all extra slots so they almost didn't have enough skilled riders. I'm sure Jackson would have done some things different with almost 20 years worth of technology at his disposal.

The only reason why Rings of Powers feels different on scale is that it largely covers one area. The Southlands. We haven't traveled there and back again yet or seen that much of the world despite having a longer runtime. Jackson also compressed time where it fit his vision so it is silly to only single out Rings of Power for lack of "proper time". We do have references for time across the different viewpoints. The meteor man and now the Volcano. Remember the Harfoots found a boulder from the Volcano.

[s_bushido]

Peter Jackson's extras were just a faceless number. They might as well have been CGI.

Plenty of times, they were CG. Right down to that shot at the very beginning of Fellowship where the elves are swinging their swords at the charging orcs in a synchronized wave.

Jackson's original trilogy gets a lot of props for its practical stuff, but those films literally wouldn't exist without the shit-load of CGI that went into them.

[rogoth]

Why is this even a problem? There was a global pandemic and "unique" extras are not important to a show in any capacity. Peter Jackson's extras were just a faceless number. They might as well have been CGI. They also dressed women up as a men to fill all extra slots so they almost didn't have enough skilled riders. I'm sure Jackson would have done some things different with almost 20 years worth of technology at his disposal.

The only reason why Rings of Powers feels different on scale is that it largely covers one area. The Southlands. We haven't traveled there and back again yet or seen that much of the world despite having a longer runtime. Jackson also compressed time where it fit his vision so it is silly to only single out Rings of Power for lack of "proper time". We do have references for time across the different viewpoints. The meteor man and now the Volcano. Remember the Harfoots found a boulder from the Volcano.

it's a problem because it begs the question where all of this so called $1B budget went, and why they were so comically ill prepared for this obviously rushed project, or are you advocating we should all start expecting massive budget projects cutting corners in all facets as normal behaviour and drop all measures of quality?, because that's what you're purporting with such a ludicrous arguement.

since it's obvious by this comment precisely you have no actual knowledge of the process, you're just regurgitating second hand knowledge and trying to pass it off as your own, the actual way the films worked out, they used women for the goblins of moria because they couldn't find any men short enough and slim enough to pull off the costumes they had fabricated for those characters, they used women for the entire easterling battalion because they couldn't get enough men for those roles alongside the hundreds of extras they had hired for the main soldier roles elsewhere in the films, and over half of the people who took part in the Rohirrim charge were all random people from the surrounding area as a massive call was sent out to anybody with a horse and riding knowledge, during one of the close up scenes in the charge where it focuses on a guy going all out with an axe in one hand and reins in the other running ahead of all others around him, he is a random farmer from the surrounding area, and this feeds into my first point, the sheer volume of background characters makes the scenes feel full and alive, not dead and dull like this show is putting forward.

you mean the kingdom of Gondor and the region of ithilien to the east where these so called human tribes are living, which all existed in the second age but of course because of legal reasons they can't actually state this, furthermore thanks to their pathetic and amateur writing with regards to the condensation of the timeline, we the viewer are expected to believe that the rings of power have yet to be forged, while humans who didn't exist until millennia are somehow alive during this time period?, also could you please explain to me how so many racially diverse individuals exist in these 'southlands' when it's well documented to be a homogenous region of middle earth, i'm honestly quite astounded that asians and black people are able to coexist among white people all the while living in a place that is populated exclusively by white people in the lore, it's 'brave' writing to be sure but i digress.

there's an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE of difference when compressing a few decades of time together for the sake of the story and trying to compress MILLENNIA together and having characters alive and interacting with each other when in the established lore was quite literally impossible because they never existed in the same time period nor the same fucking geographical locations, but i suppose we shouldn't be bringing up such things because it's 'silly' by your wording right?

please do me and everyone else you have trolled in this thread a favour and stop with the bad faith arguements, and wasting bandwidth on strawmen of no substance because it's grown tired.

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Plenty of times, they were CG. Right down to that shot at the very beginning of Fellowship where the elves are swinging their swords at the charging orcs in a synchronized wave.

Jackson's original trilogy gets a lot of props for its practical stuff, but those films literally wouldn't exist without the shit-load of CGI that went into them.

there wasn't a 'shit-load' of cgi, it pioneered the use cgi for certain aspects, and in some cases it was mandatory in order to provide the context necessary for the scene, or would you prefer to have a handful of random people stood in the middle of a field all meant to represent 150,000 orcs and just be forced to 'use your imagination'?, what kind of moronic arguement is this, using cgi where it made sense and was needed in the original trilogy versus using it in this show because they are too lazy to hire enough extras?, how is this even comparable in any way shape or form?

[Fortress of Arrogance]

This also seems to be nonsense dis proven with a light googling of who the actors are..


your criticism's are garbage they have less substance than this show (and i dont even like it!)

Have you watched a single episode of Rings of Poo, yet?
Check out the _acting_ by Electodriel character's "actress".
What do you think about her and her "acting" ?

[Kumorii]

The acting is bad and the writing is terrible. Mind you, it's never explained in any real detail why the acting and writing are bad (aside from nonsense nitpicking), but it is, trust me bro.

People and me included have explained what's wrong with the acting.

Stiff acting, stone faced stares with no emotion, poor delivery on lines. "Tempest in me comment" for example sounds like when someone does a mocking voice trying to sound powerful.

People have also given praise where it's due. To Elendil, Durin, Disa and Elrond specifically.

People have also given lots of examples of bad writing.

Harfoots changing their position of values is one.
The fact no one checked the package that was so important to get from Adar. Not even Arondir who said it.
Ice troll scene at the start have been thoroughly discussed.
Explanations of why scenes fall flat, you name it.
Etc etc. Reasons are there in most posts.. if you read it.

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Things look smaller far away? If they were right at the base of the mountain you'd be screaming how did anyone live to be that close.....

For someone that hates the series so much why do you keep watching?

There's few things I hate. It's a strong word for me. And I do enjoy RoP.
If you read my post you can see parts I'm actually liking and what I look forward to. I do find plenty to be ridiculous though and some downright bad. But if I enjoy the show for whatever reason I enjoy it.

Also this series is supposed to tell the story i want.

I take it you didn't watch ep06 when we saw my doom from the same village?
It was huge. Unless you mean to tell me mt doom moved further away between episodes. I even explained this is in my post of what I thought was wrong with it. So why would this even be a response to it?

[jonnysensible]

Have you watched a single episode of Rings of Poo, yet?
Check out the _acting_ by Electodriel character's "actress".
What do you think about her and her "acting" ?

yea its tepid and boring, i was hoping it would bomb because bezos crop. The pacing is off, its like things should be done slowly (character development) are going way to fast and things that should be fast (action) are really slow. Weird show. Obviously its getting compared to GOT : incest edition, which is hyperfocused rather than massively sprawling. Will wait till the season ends to cast my judgement.

[Syegfryed]

And bezzos is defending the series, so even if it wasnt doing well he probably would still pay to make all four seasons they planned

By the look of this season, i don't believe he paid what he said he did, this smells like some sort of squeme, cause this shit don't look like they ahd all this budget.

I mean, you can just opt to not watch it.

i prob won't, or will just to make fun of it, cause i already started, so i ahve to see the final wreckage

I don't understand this obsession to cancel shit. That's like some woke bullshit.

I see this as Euthanasia, if they can't make it right, or if they are going on purpose shit on Tolkien work, just don't do it, have some decency.

Cause this is what they are doing, they are not just shtting on his work but on his message, with allegories and political bs

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People and me included have explained what's wrong with the acting.

Stiff acting, stone faced stares with no emotion, poor delivery on lines. "Tempest in me comment" for example sounds like when someone does a mocking voice trying to sound powerful.

People have also given praise where it's due. To Elendil, Durin, Disa and Elrond specifically.

People have also given lots of examples of bad writing.

Harfoots changing their position of values is one.
The fact no one checked the package that was so important to get from Adar. Not even Arondir who said it.
Ice troll scene at the start have been thoroughly discussed.
Explanations of why scenes fall flat, you name it.
Etc etc. Reasons are there in most posts.. if you read it.

The show is build on hypocrisy, i can't, for the love of my children, believe they unironically write those degenerate hobbits like this, they contradict themselves IN THE SAME EPISODE, let alone this entire season, one time you see how they basically murder their own kin when then do something they don't like, when they left their injured or take te wheels of their caravans, and in the next episode you have the guy who was going to be left for dead saying they STAY TRUE TO EACH OTHER, this is worse than the flash writing.

I don't give Elrond a pass, cause he is massive liar, he seems like a compulsive liar, he lie to his "friend" of the reason he came, he lie about the mithrill and a bunch of other things, and Durin does not give a shit, the same guy the show alreadye stablished as being pissed at him because he ghosted him for 20 years

those are not nitpicking, those are massive flaws in the narrative, one make the hobbits socipaths, and the later make this relation artificial and without subtance

The whole plot about elves losing their light and only mithril can save then is not nittpick, is retarded, the dwarves would give two shits about the elves, and the elves would still outlive the dwarves for prob thousands of years, there is no stakes, they can just return to their lands and not die, there is no urgency, there is nothing for us to care, is fucking hollow

Said before, if it was some sort of low budget no name fantasy show from netflix or CW, people would not be this harsh, cause we would know it was going to be mediocre, but this is different