Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Gumble]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

I'm curious if any shows made without the tokenism changes that were made this poorly had people defending them like these do.

The only ones that come to mind are The Shannara Chronicles and Legend of the Seeker. Both were horrible adaptations of their books, but I don't recall (I could be wrong, but....) them having any woke tokenism added to them. This was likely just because they were done over a decade ago and this nonsense didn't really start until like 2015-2016.

I wonder if there were people defending those shows for silly reasons, or if people just went "yep, its bad, sigh".

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Irony, I found mmo champ threads on both...... no mention of race, sexuality, religion, politics, current day issues, or anything else that seems to be the only thing people can focus on now. Both shows were meh, but it seems some people liked them, some didn't, but everyone had basically a polite chat about them and moved on.

Crazy....

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...+of+the+seeker

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...+of+the+seeker

[rhorle]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

Is that really all you have to cling to? I've told you before that I've read Wheel of Time several times. I've read The Hobbit and most of Lord of the Rings when I was in Highschool. Using wikis and other sources to support a claim doesn't mean anything other then having proof to back things up. Stop making using evidence out to be a bad thing.

[Syegfryed]

Buddy, you have the power to just stop watching the show. I know I know, you just love Tolkien so much that you hate seeing this done to it, but all you’re doing is contributing to its success. You watch it the day its released, and fairly early on in that day. If you want Amazon to get the message that its bad you’re doing the exact opposite of what you should be. It’s mind boggling to me.

Bold of you to assume im watching on amazon

Dissing the show in a warcraft forum will hardly "contribute to its success", and like i said, i don't mind taking the bullet if it means other people don't need to, and since i started, i might as well end it.

If you don't want to discuss it either, don't bump in telling what i could do or not.

[rhorle]

Bold of you to assume im watching on amazon

Somehow it seems worse to pirate something you don't enjoy.

[Syegfryed]

Cuz this entire forum is built around complaints lol.

Good show threads don't last long, and when they do it'a usually cuz of people talking about shit outside the show.

Good show threads don't last long because there people don't have much fuel to bitch about other people complains.

Here and in most others people argue over other criticism just for the sake of arguing in bad faith, this thread would be cut in half if people didn't tried to defend a lot of shit in the show just because. I mean, you have people on this very thread that give up and say the show isn't good, but can't stop defending it because it means they are wrong, and that can't happen.

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Somehow it seems worse to pirate something you don't enjoy.

see? @Triceron? you put the bait and they bite, they have to find a reason to get on top

And no i didn't "pirate", i watch with a group of friends in a bar, so i don't pay it, since people there were going to watch anyway i tag along.

There is one guy that like the show even knowing its garbage, bless him, he is a dnd fan and its there just for the visuals and scenario. Ask him about the plot and he doesn't know whats happening.

[rhorle]

And no i didn't "pirate", i watch with a group of friends in a bar, so i don't pay it, since people there were going to watch anyway i tag along.

That is still on Amazon. Just not Amazon that you pay for.

[Triceron]

see? @Triceron? you put the bait and they bite, they have to find a reason to get on top

Yep. The thread gets filled with shitposts and you have other people praising how the thread is so active, lol.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yep. The thread gets filled with shitposts and you have other people praising how the thread gets posts, lol.

shit posts are still talking about the show even if you want to pretend people would be talking about Tolkien if the show wasn’t airing. And that is all I contested. Love it or hate it a ton of people talk about the show and the world around it.

[BeepBoo]

Buddy, you have the power to just stop watching the show. I know I know, you just love Tolkien so much that you hate seeing this done to it, but all you’re doing is contributing to its success. You watch it the day its released, and fairly early on in that day. If you want Amazon to get the message that its bad you’re doing the exact opposite of what you should be. It’s mind boggling to me.

I'm an addicted junkie who knows what "the good stuff" feels like; I just can't find a supplier at the moment. So I'm scrounging around for things to take the edge off until I remedy that.

You best believe I'm going to bemoan the fact that I have to settle for garbage in the mean time, though.

[Triceron]

shit posts are still talking about the show even if you want to pretend people would be talking about Tolkien if the show wasn’t airing. And that is all I contested. Love it or hate it a ton of people talk about the show and the world around it.

Nah. I'll even prove it.

This post in reply to yours right now is about shitposts and not the show. I am replying to your post for no other reason than I can.

What you do you think about that?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Nah. I'll even prove it.

This post in reply to yours right now is about shitposts and not the show. I am replying to your post for no other reason than I can.

What you do you think about that?

That out of the 300 pages post just for the sake of it and not about the show in one way or another rather it be Tolkiens world in relation to the show or casting choices made are likely less then 10%.

So there’s still ton of talk about the show.

[Triceron]

That out of the 300 pages post just for the sake of it and not about the show in one way or another rather it be Tolkiens world in relation to the show or casting choices made are likely less then 10%.

So there’s still ton of talk about the show.

Less than 30% of this entire thread is about the show, I guarantee you.

Our current back and forth right now isn't talking about the show, and this is what most of the posts in the thread are like.

You really want to think that these posts are about the show? What has there actually been to talk about in the past 10 pages?

Even Andor is way better than this show, and there's barely talk in the thread cuz there's not much to talk about once people acknowledge the same point.. whether good or bad, if people agree then there's nothing really left to discuss. Threads stay alive when people are shitposting or arguing.

Look at Gen discussion. Tinker threads get pushed to the top all the tome for months on end. You really think Tinker threads are all that important to WoW? It's usually the same group of people arguing over that shit for months on end, and nothing to do with the topic actually being popular or even relevant to WoW.

I mean seriously, I'm not even participating in the She-Hulk thread but I see it pop up on top all the time. And all people are arguing in that thread is about wokeness or sexual abuse in hollywood.. There's practically no talk of the show itself there lol.

[downnola]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

The only reason anyone is talking about skin tone, or micro-analyzing every scene that includes Galadriel, is because bigots can't help themselves but bring it up constantly. Most people don't care because it's such a superficial and irrational thing to throw a temper tantrum about. I'd be happy to not have to talk about it and not have to read wildly idiotic shit stretching across 10s of pages at a time. But we have people with 300+ posts to their name in this thread alone who claim to absolutely loathe the show and keep coming here to tell everyone about it. But what has it gotten them? The world goes on and Rings of Power is still the most-watched show on Amazon Prime and sits in the Nielsen Streaming top 3 since it debuted. Nobody cares but ya'll.

Life is too short to keep fighting ridiculous losing battles. Give it a rest already.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You really want to think that these posts are about the show? What has there actually been to talk about in the past 10 pages?

Nielsen streaming numbers
Galadriel
elves losing the light
mithril
Orcs being vampire esc
middle earth, skin tones and god
the script
the writers
Gondor Ithilien and the southlands
the timeline
isildur and anarion
elrond and durin
the cost of the show
Numenorean ships
half foots
the acting
season 2 and its production
the music
The actors past work
the camera work
mount doom
halbrand and Sauron

This is just the last Five pages and me leaving out a few minor things in the same post as other things iI listed.

[Xath]

The only reason anyone is talking about skin tone, or micro-analyzing every scene that includes Galadriel, is because bigots can't help themselves but bring it up constantly. Most people don't care because it's such a superficial and irrational thing to throw a temper tantrum about. I'd be happy to not have to talk about it and not have to read wildly idiotic shit stretching across 10s of pages at a time. But we have people with 300+ posts to their name in this thread alone who claim to absolutely loathe the show and keep coming here to tell everyone about it. But what has it gotten them? The world goes on and Rings of Power is still the most-watched show on Amazon Prime and sits in the Nielsen Streaming top 3 since it debuted. Nobody cares but ya'll.

Life is too short to keep fighting ridiculous losing battles. Give it a rest already.

The main things I'm talking about are how they are massively fucking up canon elements of sil outside of the idiotic time compression such as the tragedy of Tar Miriel. Now I realize people like you and rhor have no clue about that and are only here to defend due to casting but it bugs those of us who have actually read Tolkien.

[downnola]

The main things I'm talking about are how they are massively fucking up canon elements of sil outside of the idiotic time compression such as the tragedy of Tar Miriel. Now I realize people like you and rhor have no clue about that and are only here to defend due to casting but it bugs those of us who have actually read Tolkien.

Are you this critical of the Jackson films? They were not 100% faithful to the books and the writers had to make the story more adaptable for the big screen. Christopher Tolkien hated the movies because he felt Jackson took the book and turned it into a Hollywood action movie for teenagers and left all of the beauty of the story out of it. The most important themes for Tolkien (his heavy references to Catholicism which I doubt you noticed because thematic elements are mostly ignored by people who can't picture a non-white elf) were overshadowed by the focus on the fighting rather than the actual journies and development of the characters themselves. Even some of the character's personalities (Boromir, for example) were changed for added drama.

Did any of that matter at the end of the day? No, because film adaptations of books are rarely fully faithful to everything in them. All that matters is if they're entertaining to watch and tell a good story. Middle Earth's second age spans thousands of years and has massive gaps in the lore that exists, so you have to take creative liberties if you want to fit all of that into a TV series and have some continuity between seasons and characters. I don't know why any of this is surprising to you. If you want a word-for-word retelling of a story with massive gaps then just read the books.

[Veggie50]

So, Celeborn is MIA, presumed dead.

I'm thinking this is the second adaptation that steals Glorfindels spotlight in favour of another elf xD

[s_bushido]

So, Celeborn is MIA, presumed dead.

99.99% sure they're going to have a tearful reunion at some point in a future season.

[Veggie50]

99.99% sure they're going to have a tearful reunion at some point in a future season.

I think that's a given, yea... Question is, how do they explain his absence/return.

[Syegfryed]

I think that's a given, yea... Question is, how do they explain his absence/return.

That assuming he showrunners will do one explanation, let alone a satisfactory one. More likely its some nonsense again.

I heard out there they will make his fate one of her brothers, since she does not to care about anyone but one of the 3