Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

This thread has gotten like 20 pages in a week, even if it’s twice as lively as the general talk around the show that’s a lot of people talking about it.

Most of which is people criticizing the show and people criticizing the critics

Don't think there's been much praising overall. Just people being defensive saying the show isn't as bad as people think, or some blanket 'the show is good because many people are watching it' response.

Echo chamber of a thread really.

[Gumble]

This thread has gotten like 20 pages in a week, even if it’s twice as lively as the general talk around the show that’s a lot of people talking about it.

Their entire viewership is posting here, and its only half the posters.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Most of which is people criticizing the show and people criticizing the critics

Don't think there's been much praising overall. Just people being defensive saying the show isn't as bad as people think, or some blanket 'the show is good because many people are watching it' response.

Echo chamber of a thread really.

Criticizing or praise, talk is talk and there is a lot of it going on, likely more then any other show thread on here.

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It's really 3 or 4 people arguing in circles and insulting each other.

That’s every thread yet most aren’t nearly this active.

[Triceron]

Criticizing or praise, talk is talk and there is a lot of it going on, likely more then any other show thread on here.

Cuz this entire forum is built around complaints lol.

Good show threads don't last long, and when they do it'a usually cuz of people talking about shit outside the show.

Like the House of Dragon thread getting pushed forward from people talking about the books, or Mandalorian talked about because of some woke bullshit arguments or something.

Look at the She Hulk thread. Think people are talking about it because of the show? Nah, its the same few people in the thread arguing back and forth pushing that thread to the top. Most posts aren't even talking about the show.

And if you take a same approach here... I'd say easily 70%+ of the posts here aren't about the show and talking about Tolkien's works or racist/woke agendas or whatever unrelated controversy that loosely connects back to the show.

[rhorle]

Skin color is a trait of a different race, it's not the same race. It changes the story because it means different races mixed with each other, yet somehow also didn't mix and thus retained their physical traits, like different skin color and it profoundly breaks canon because Tolkien never wrote this. How difficult it is to acknowledge a basic concept?

We have the races of Middle Earth directly created by the one god and his helpers. We had men "magically" gifted longer life, greater wisdom, and greater health. Yet having different skin tones not meeting real world rules is "out of line". It changes nothing because it could just be something added during creation.

It does seem very difficult for you to acknowledge that basic concept. The story isn't one that revolves around skin tone. It is just a descriptor in every instance. Of course it isn't canon. That still doesn't mean it makes an impactful change to the story. Frodo having black skin would still work with the same exact story as Tolkien told.

[Xath]

We have the races of Middle Earth directly created by the one god and his helpers. We had men "magically" gifted longer life, greater wisdom, and greater health. Yet having different skin tones not meeting real world rules is "out of line". It changes nothing because it could just be something added during creation.

It does seem very difficult for you to acknowledge that basic concept. The story isn't one that revolves around skin tone. It is just a descriptor in every instance. Of course it isn't canon. That still doesn't mean it makes an impactful change to the story. Frodo having black skin would still work with the same exact story as Tolkien told.

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

[Gumble]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

I'm curious if any shows made without the tokenism changes that were made this poorly had people defending them like these do.

The only ones that come to mind are The Shannara Chronicles and Legend of the Seeker. Both were horrible adaptations of their books, but I don't recall (I could be wrong, but....) them having any woke tokenism added to them. This was likely just because they were done over a decade ago and this nonsense didn't really start until like 2015-2016.

I wonder if there were people defending those shows for silly reasons, or if people just went "yep, its bad, sigh".

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Irony, I found mmo champ threads on both...... no mention of race, sexuality, religion, politics, current day issues, or anything else that seems to be the only thing people can focus on now. Both shows were meh, but it seems some people liked them, some didn't, but everyone had basically a polite chat about them and moved on.

Crazy....

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...+of+the+seeker

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...+of+the+seeker

[rhorle]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

Is that really all you have to cling to? I've told you before that I've read Wheel of Time several times. I've read The Hobbit and most of Lord of the Rings when I was in Highschool. Using wikis and other sources to support a claim doesn't mean anything other then having proof to back things up. Stop making using evidence out to be a bad thing.

[Syegfryed]

Buddy, you have the power to just stop watching the show. I know I know, you just love Tolkien so much that you hate seeing this done to it, but all you’re doing is contributing to its success. You watch it the day its released, and fairly early on in that day. If you want Amazon to get the message that its bad you’re doing the exact opposite of what you should be. It’s mind boggling to me.

Bold of you to assume im watching on amazon

Dissing the show in a warcraft forum will hardly "contribute to its success", and like i said, i don't mind taking the bullet if it means other people don't need to, and since i started, i might as well end it.

If you don't want to discuss it either, don't bump in telling what i could do or not.

[rhorle]

Bold of you to assume im watching on amazon

Somehow it seems worse to pirate something you don't enjoy.

[Syegfryed]

Cuz this entire forum is built around complaints lol.

Good show threads don't last long, and when they do it'a usually cuz of people talking about shit outside the show.

Good show threads don't last long because there people don't have much fuel to bitch about other people complains.

Here and in most others people argue over other criticism just for the sake of arguing in bad faith, this thread would be cut in half if people didn't tried to defend a lot of shit in the show just because. I mean, you have people on this very thread that give up and say the show isn't good, but can't stop defending it because it means they are wrong, and that can't happen.

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Somehow it seems worse to pirate something you don't enjoy.

see? @Triceron? you put the bait and they bite, they have to find a reason to get on top

And no i didn't "pirate", i watch with a group of friends in a bar, so i don't pay it, since people there were going to watch anyway i tag along.

There is one guy that like the show even knowing its garbage, bless him, he is a dnd fan and its there just for the visuals and scenario. Ask him about the plot and he doesn't know whats happening.

[rhorle]

And no i didn't "pirate", i watch with a group of friends in a bar, so i don't pay it, since people there were going to watch anyway i tag along.

That is still on Amazon. Just not Amazon that you pay for.

[Triceron]

see? @Triceron? you put the bait and they bite, they have to find a reason to get on top

Yep. The thread gets filled with shitposts and you have other people praising how the thread is so active, lol.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yep. The thread gets filled with shitposts and you have other people praising how the thread gets posts, lol.

shit posts are still talking about the show even if you want to pretend people would be talking about Tolkien if the show wasn’t airing. And that is all I contested. Love it or hate it a ton of people talk about the show and the world around it.

[BeepBoo]

Buddy, you have the power to just stop watching the show. I know I know, you just love Tolkien so much that you hate seeing this done to it, but all you’re doing is contributing to its success. You watch it the day its released, and fairly early on in that day. If you want Amazon to get the message that its bad you’re doing the exact opposite of what you should be. It’s mind boggling to me.

I'm an addicted junkie who knows what "the good stuff" feels like; I just can't find a supplier at the moment. So I'm scrounging around for things to take the edge off until I remedy that.

You best believe I'm going to bemoan the fact that I have to settle for garbage in the mean time, though.

[Triceron]

shit posts are still talking about the show even if you want to pretend people would be talking about Tolkien if the show wasn’t airing. And that is all I contested. Love it or hate it a ton of people talk about the show and the world around it.

Nah. I'll even prove it.

This post in reply to yours right now is about shitposts and not the show. I am replying to your post for no other reason than I can.

What you do you think about that?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Nah. I'll even prove it.

This post in reply to yours right now is about shitposts and not the show. I am replying to your post for no other reason than I can.

What you do you think about that?

That out of the 300 pages post just for the sake of it and not about the show in one way or another rather it be Tolkiens world in relation to the show or casting choices made are likely less then 10%.

So there’s still ton of talk about the show.

[Triceron]

That out of the 300 pages post just for the sake of it and not about the show in one way or another rather it be Tolkiens world in relation to the show or casting choices made are likely less then 10%.

So there’s still ton of talk about the show.

Less than 30% of this entire thread is about the show, I guarantee you.

Our current back and forth right now isn't talking about the show, and this is what most of the posts in the thread are like.

You really want to think that these posts are about the show? What has there actually been to talk about in the past 10 pages?

Even Andor is way better than this show, and there's barely talk in the thread cuz there's not much to talk about once people acknowledge the same point.. whether good or bad, if people agree then there's nothing really left to discuss. Threads stay alive when people are shitposting or arguing.

Look at Gen discussion. Tinker threads get pushed to the top all the tome for months on end. You really think Tinker threads are all that important to WoW? It's usually the same group of people arguing over that shit for months on end, and nothing to do with the topic actually being popular or even relevant to WoW.

I mean seriously, I'm not even participating in the She-Hulk thread but I see it pop up on top all the time. And all people are arguing in that thread is about wokeness or sexual abuse in hollywood.. There's practically no talk of the show itself there lol.

[downnola]

Skin tone is the only reason people like you defend this show which is why the changes exist. Because otherwise people who had never read Tolkien wouldn't care same reason as WoT.

The only reason anyone is talking about skin tone, or micro-analyzing every scene that includes Galadriel, is because bigots can't help themselves but bring it up constantly. Most people don't care because it's such a superficial and irrational thing to throw a temper tantrum about. I'd be happy to not have to talk about it and not have to read wildly idiotic shit stretching across 10s of pages at a time. But we have people with 300+ posts to their name in this thread alone who claim to absolutely loathe the show and keep coming here to tell everyone about it. But what has it gotten them? The world goes on and Rings of Power is still the most-watched show on Amazon Prime and sits in the Nielsen Streaming top 3 since it debuted. Nobody cares but ya'll.

Life is too short to keep fighting ridiculous losing battles. Give it a rest already.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You really want to think that these posts are about the show? What has there actually been to talk about in the past 10 pages?

Nielsen streaming numbers
Galadriel
elves losing the light
mithril
Orcs being vampire esc
middle earth, skin tones and god
the script
the writers
Gondor Ithilien and the southlands
the timeline
isildur and anarion
elrond and durin
the cost of the show
Numenorean ships
half foots
the acting
season 2 and its production
the music
The actors past work
the camera work
mount doom
halbrand and Sauron

This is just the last Five pages and me leaving out a few minor things in the same post as other things iI listed.