Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[bledgor]

I literally just linked you evidence that it hasn't been silent on numbers other than release, and if the articles from the 4th and 5th that talk about moving filming back to England ("The first season was shot over 18 months in New Zealand during the height of the pandemic. Production has moved to Bray Studios in the U.K. for the second season. As with season one, there will be eight episodes. No release date is available, but production is in full swing") are outdated, link the updated info. You can hate something and be in the minority, there's nothing wrong with that.

1. The article you linked admits a 2023 date is unlikely, and most sources have said 2024, which is I guess not slow but certainly not a quick turn around exactly like I said.

2. Once again the article you linked talked about hitting 100 million (actually they admit is getting close, not hit yet) at episode 6 means a hefty fall off, considering they had 25 million the first episode, iirc 30% fallout between 1 and 2 means 17.5 for episode 2, meaning the last 4 averaged ~14.4 million, almost a 50% drop from episode 1. Considering the online presence of the show is largely negative and the fact the show is not having good legs, it does no bode well.

3. You can see a similar trajectory in RoP that WoT had, where the show was talked up, but a week or two after the finally it had 0 staying power, and wasn't being mentioned at all. This isn't some small time sci-fi channel show, this a show based on Tolkien on a platform hundreds of millions already have with a episode budget of ~60 million. This show should be crushing the competition, but it isn't.

You can like something and be in the minority. You can also like something and realize it has massive flaws, don't defend trash and try to make it better. The show needs a lot of work to be great.

Want examples, the whole arc of Galadriel is pretty garbage writing with horrible dialogue (THERE IS A TEMPEST IN ME). Karen is right about evil, gets send away because she is apparently causing the elves to fade (FUCKING LOL), decides AT THE GATE of Valinor to jump ship thousands of leagues from land to not be found once, but twice at sea before being conveniently taken to the one place that has the power to help her (who apparently have submarine ships to fit hundreds of men, horses, and materials for an army they bring). Oh and it takes 7 episodes for a character driven by revenge/love of a family member to mention she had a husband who is gone too? That shit feels like a re shoot because they forgot.

Second example, the Hobbits, I mean Harfoots. No need to elaborate here.

It is so contrived it literally hurts to think about.

[eschatological]

If you actually trust what sycophant media and what Amazon says their numbers are, I've got a bridge to sell you. Streaming platforms are not beholden to actually be truthful about what their viewership numbers are. Amazon has tens of millions of Prime users, and we know that historically they've been struggling to get anywhere near the numbers that shows like GoT pulled at its peak. So if you actually believe what they say, then you really are a fool because there's no way this trash fan fiction is doing the numbers they claim they are.

Not being truthful about their viewership numbers to investors would be a breach of fiduciary duty, and illegal. Stop talking nonsense conspiracy theories.

[Levelfive]

1. The article you linked admits a 2023 date is unlikely, and most sources have said 2024, which is I guess not slow but certainly not a quick turn around exactly like I said.

2. Once again the article you linked talked about hitting 100 million (actually they admit is getting close, not hit yet) at episode 6 means a hefty fall off, considering they had 25 million the first episode, iirc 30% fallout between 1 and 2 means 17.5 for episode 2, meaning the last 4 averaged ~14.4 million, almost a 50% drop from episode 1. Considering the online presence of the show is largely negative the show is not having good legs.

3. You can see a similar trajectory in RoP that WoT had, where the show was talked up, but a week or two after the finally it had 0 staying power, and wasn't being mentioned at all. This isn't some small time sci-fi channel show, this a show based on Tolkien on a platform hundreds of millions already have with a episode budget of ~60 million. This show should be crushing the competition, but it isn't.

You can like something and be in the minority. You can also like something and realize it has massive flaws, don't defend trash and try to make it better. The show needs a lot of work to be great.

No, according to the article, it was 25 million the first two episodes.

Again, right there in the linked article and in my post: "With Amazon Studios intent on fast-tracking production, Rings of Power season 2 could premiere a lot sooner than initially expected. Filming is already underway, though considering the show's huge production scale, it likely won't be ready to air until late next year at the earliest. But make no mistake, a late 2023 release date would still be an impressively quick turnaround for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2." So the opposite of what you said.

I'll let the fact that you still didn't link anything supporting your claims about numbers and dates speak for itself.

[bledgor]

No, according to the article, it was 25 million the first two episodes.

Again, right there in the linked article and in my post: "With Amazon Studios intent on fast-tracking production, Rings of Power season 2 could premiere a lot sooner than initially expected. Filming is already underway, though considering the show's huge production scale, it likely won't be ready to air until late next year at the earliest. But make no mistake, a late 2023 release date would still be an impressively quick turnaround for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2." So the opposite of what you said.

I'll let the fact that you still didn't link anything supporting your claims about numbers and dates stand for itself.

No the numbers have said 25 million the first episode, you seriously think it was 12.5 for first two and then it increased to an average of 18.75 an episode? Even the most ardent media supports have started to recognized the glaring issues in the show (namely Galadriel), and you somehow think the show has been growing since the start? I have a house on the moon to sell you in that case.

Are you blind mate? It literally says while 2023 is not impossible, it is very unlikely? That would be a 2024 date then, which again considering they are moving locations means it is highly unlikely things go perfectly to allow a 2023 release date, so you are agreeing I am right.

Your numbers literally support my point, but continue to be a blind fan boy I guess, enjoy the head pats from amazon.

Not to mention you still ignore the fact the show is bad, and only see the numbers. TELL ME WHAT MAKES THE SHOW GOOD, I have told you a few things (of the many, many things) that make it bad.

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Not being truthful about their viewership numbers to investors would be a breach of fiduciary duty, and illegal. Stop talking nonsense conspiracy theories.

There is the murky area of views though. What constitutes views? Watching 2 minutes of it? Seeing parts of it from an embedded player? Having to watch an entire episode? It is undefined so by its nature you can just about make it as true as you want, but it still be completely misleading. See the use of GDP as a show of how good the economy is going.

[Levelfive]

No the numbers have said 25 million the first episode, you seriously think it was 12.5 for first two and then it increased to an average of 18.75 an episode? Even the most ardent media supports have started to recognized the glaring issues in the show (namely Galadriel), and you somehow think the show has been growing since the start? I have a house on the moon to sell you in that case.

Are you blind mate? It literally says while 2023 is not impossible, it is very unlikely? That would be a 2024 date then, which again considering they are moving locations means it is highly unlikely things go perfectly to allow a 2023 release date, so you are agreeing I am right.

Your numbers literally support my point, but continue to be a blind fan boy I guess, enjoy the head pats from amazon.

Not to mention you still ignore the fact the show is bad, and only see the numbers. TELL ME WHAT MAKES THE SHOW GOOD, I have told you a few things (of the many, many things) that make it bad.

"And that’s exactly what happened. Amazon announced on Saturday that the first two episodes of the series, which were released Thursday night, were streamed more than 25 million times in their first 24 hours on the site. Those impressive (although unverified) numbers are said to have broken all previous Amazon records, making it the biggest premiere in the history of the streaming service."

You: "which is I guess not slow but certainly not a quick turn around exactly like I said." Them: "But make no mistake, a late 2023 release date would still be an impressively quick turnaround for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2" so, the opposite of what you said.

And again, you've got nothing other than a desperate, failing 'go woke, go broke' campaign that's just not panning out.

[bledgor]

"And that’s exactly what happened. Amazon announced on Saturday that the first two episodes of the series, which were released Thursday night, were streamed more than 25 million times in their first 24 hours on the site. Those impressive (although unverified) numbers are said to have broken all previous Amazon records, making it the biggest premiere in the history of the streaming service."

You: "which is I guess not slow but certainly not a quick turn around exactly like I said." Them: "But make no mistake, a late 2023 release date would still be an impressively quick turnaround for The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power season 2" so, the opposite of what you said.

And again, you've got nothing other than a desperate, failing 'go woke, go broke' campaign that's just not panning out.

You just ignore everything I write and say nuh uh.

Also, no, I originally said season 2 would be delayed because of the move, which is factually true. The article said that it would be impressive, but not likely, which suggests 2024 released date. Which either way is not proving me wrong. So again you can't read.

I never said go woke go broke, nice projection. Glad to see the ad hominem coming out.

Noticed you still can't say anything positive about the show either, or what you like, or what is good. You are the only one desperate here, having to spout amazons positive talking points as even the access media has largely turned against the show, due to in part things like the Galadriel problem, the slow/bad pacing, the fast travel/lack of centering, and many various other issues.

It is clear you don't want to talk in good faith, or even talk about the show really, so enjoy talking to your echo chamber. When you actually want to talk about the show, feel free to come back.

Oh and using the numbers you quote, 25 million watched the first two, with 1.235 billion hours watched, means they averaged 10.3 finished the episodes, with 12.5 starting it across the two, would result in a 20% drop from people who started to finished it. Not great, and considering the next 3 episodes were very slow, yeesh.

[eschatological]

There is the murky area of views though. What constitutes views? Watching 2 minutes of it? Seeing parts of it from an embedded player? Having to watch an entire episode? It is undefined so by its nature you can just about make it as true as you want, but it still be completely misleading. See the use of GDP as a show of how good the economy is going.

I believe they published "minutes watched" at some point too. Just divide that by the independent viewers (which is what these numbers are). Also, unlike FB and Twitter and Instagram, I don't believe Amazon Prime has an embedded viewer...anywhere. Certainly not off its own platforms, but maybe on the Amazon frontpage? I know during Thursday Night Football there's a big splash page on the Amazon homepage. Minutes watched rarely matters, "impressions" is what counts for advertisers. This is doubly true for Amazon who doesn't run ads during their program, so none of this speaks to the feasibility of the show. You could watch two minutes of one episode in a 4 week span, and as long as you paid the monthly sub for that month, you're almost the exact same (to Amazon) as someone who watched all 4 episodes multiple times over the course of the month.

FB sells their ads based on numbers based entirely on people scrolling past autoplaying video.

[rhorle]

No the numbers have said 25 million the first episode

Amazon said 25 million global views in the first 24 hours. The first two episodes were released in that 24 hour period. There is nothing breaking down the per episode counts. The article linked was from October 5th so only 6 episodes of Rings of Power were out at the time. Using 100 million that is 16.6 million average viewers per episode. We don't know when that number in the article was given only the date the article was published so it could be only 5 episodes which would put the average at 20 million an episode.

Stop calling people blind fan boy and other insults just because they don't have the same view of the show as you do. There have been popular and successful shows that you don't like in the past and there will be more in the future.

[bledgor]

I believe they published "minutes watched" at some point too. Just divide that by the independent viewers (which is what these numbers are). Also, unlike FB and Twitter and Instagram, I don't believe Amazon Prime has an embedded viewer...anywhere. Certainly not off its own platforms, but maybe on the Amazon frontpage? I know during Thursday Night Football there's a big splash page on the Amazon homepage. Minutes watched rarely matters, "impressions" is what counts for advertisers. This is doubly true for Amazon who doesn't run ads during their program, so none of this speaks to the feasibility of the show. You could watch two minutes of one episode in a 4 week span, and as long as you paid the monthly sub for that month, you're almost the exact same (to Amazon) as someone who watched all 4 episodes multiple times over the course of the month.

FB sells their ads based on numbers based entirely on people scrolling past autoplaying video.

See the issue is you start with "I believe", what we know is largely all guesses.

I would like to agree with you, but like I said, prime already had 100s of millions of users that have the service for other reasons, and for them watching RoP was no additional cost. They didn't pay the monthly sub for the show, they paid it for shipping, or groceries, or whatever. Are there some people that bought prime for just rings of power? Sure, but lets be real that number wasn't a large one. At the end of the day only Amazon knows how much the show brought new customers in. Again like I said, when you have the triumvirate of Tolkien, the largest budget for a show ever, and a platform with an inbuilt user base of hundreds of millions, the show should have been a juggernaut from start to end.

For numbers otherwise we only have the neilsons first week data and what amazon tells us. Considering how little Amazon is talking about their supposed flagship show, and instead how much effort is going into combating criticism/"online trolls" it doesn't feel like a show doing well, it feels like damage control.

The fact that articles from many publications though have started to rag on the issues with the show does not put it in a good light though, especially when it is competing directly with its rival HotD (as Bezo's himself wanted to create his own GoT) that is doing so well it even got its predecessor back into the high ranking Nielson numbers.

[rhorle]

This is doubly true for Amazon who doesn't run ads during their program, so none of this speaks to the feasibility of the show.

Yeah Amazon makes like 3 billion a month so the show is a small blip. Of course they have more expenses then the show but they seem to banking on the "industry impact" for this show. To prove that Amazon Studios is a world class competitor and attract people to the brand. It will be interesting to see how long Prime Video keeps ads off the platform now that Netflix and Disney+ are using ads to help subsidize costs. Amazon does have a Prime Video only subscription option so that complicates any guess work of how many new subscribers or views are needed to "be successful"

[Levelfive]

You just ignore everything I write and say nuh uh.

Also, no, I originally said season 2 would be delayed because of the move, which is factually true. The article said that it would be impressive, but not likely, which suggests 2024 released date. Which either way is not proving me wrong. So again you can't read.

I never said go woke go broke, nice projection. Glad to see the ad hominem coming out.

Noticed you still can't say anything positive about the show either, or what you like, or what is good. You are the only one desperate here, having to spout amazons positive talking points as even the access media has largely turned against the show, due to in part things like the Galadriel problem, the slow/bad pacing, the fast travel/lack of centering, and many various other issues.

It is clear you don't want to talk in good faith, or even talk about the show really, so enjoy talking to your echo chamber. When you actually want to talk about the show, feel free to come back.

LOL How dare you use ad hominem, you dolt <chef's kiss> I mean, hey, I didn't realize 'go woke go broke' would be so hurtful to you, especially given your sig.

In any case, if the "earliest at late 2023" is "impressively quick" and they're talking about it coming out sooner than expected, then yes, you're still wrong, peach. And my post in this current conversation was in response to someone saying a panicked Bezos might have to pull the plug which is, you know, hilarious, for a variety of reasons, but that makes it specifically about numbers, which you jumped into to say a bunch of easily disprovable bs and then when you got called out on it, complained I wasn't talking about something else. So yeah, good faith is as good faith does, brah.

[bledgor]

LOL How dare you use ad hominem, you dolt <chef's kiss> I mean, hey, I didn't realize 'go woke go broke' would be so hurtful to you, especially given your sig.

In any case, if the "earliest at late 2023" is "impressively quick" and they're talking about it coming out sooner than expected, then yes, you're still wrong, peach. And my post in this current conversation was in response to someone saying a panicked Bezos might have to pull the plug which is, you know, hilarious, for a variety of reasons, but that makes it specifically about numbers, which you jumped into to say a bunch of easily disprovable bs and then when you got called out on it, complained I wasn't talking about something else. So yeah, good faith is as good faith does, brah.

LUL, thinking you hurt me, that is funnier than anything in the rings of power so far.

Funny you talk about sigs, looking at yours, can only imagine the type of Karen you are IRL.

No, I am still right, as they Amazon has said they were delayed by moving production from one country to another. If you don't get that, then I don't know how to continue to talk to you.

Cool, you could still have posted anything about the show, how you feel, what is good, what isn't but you don't. Also just because of numbers doesn't mean that Bezos is happy, or that the show is doing good. I doubt they pull the show, but as I said and you ignored (just like 90% of posts) it doesn't mean the show is immune to having its writers/producers replaced (which it needs).

What good faith? Find some happiness in your life brah, it will do you wonders.

oh and one final time, I hate the writing (pacing is bad, the lack of time scale, the fast travel, the bad overarching narrative aka mithril plot line, etc), the dialogue (" I have a tempest in me", "give me the meat, and give it to me raw", etc), the fight choreography (see the battle between the trainees and Galadriel), and more. So what do you think is good/likeable about the show? What reason do you think Bezos should not change or be unhappy with the show (the intent of the person who said he should/could/would cancel it)?

[tikcol]

So she lost Celeborn, how conveniently absurd. Just like the show itself.

[bledgor]

So she lost Celeborn, how conviniently absurd. Like the rest of the show.

How about Isildur getting caught in a collapsing/burning building? OMG will he live (note he shouldn't with the fact how large the burning building that fell on him is)?!?!?!

Then you have Elendil release his horse, we all know in some contrived way he is going to live (betting on he somehow falls through the ground into the tunnels the orcs made) and his horse will find/carry him to safety. Typical bullshit mystery from Jar Jar Abrams and his disciples.

Like they had what 5 buildings that they were all in/around and somehow everyone got separated???? Ugh it was so nonsensical.

[Levelfive]

LUL, thinking you hurt me, that is funnier than anything in the rings of power so far.

Funny you talk about sigs, looking at yours, can only imagine the type of Karen you are IRL.

No, I am still right, as they Amazon has said they were delayed by moving production from one country to another. If you don't get that, then I don't know how to continue to talk to you.

Cool, you could still have posted anything about the show, how you feel, what is good, what isn't but you don't. Also just because of numbers doesn't mean that Bezos is happy, or that the show is doing good. I doubt they pull the show, but as I said and you ignored (just like 90% of posts) it doesn't mean the show is immune to having its writers/producers replaced (which it needs).

What good faith? Find some happiness in your life brah, it will do you wonders.

oh and one final time, I hate the writing (pacing is bad, the lack of time scale, the fast travel, the bad overarching narrative aka mithril plot line, etc), the dialogue (" I have a tempest in me", "give me the meat, and give it to me raw", etc), the fight choreography (see the battle between the trainees and Galadriel), and more. So what do you think is good/likeable about the show? What reason do you think Bezos should not change or be unhappy with the show (the intent of the person who said he should/could/would cancel it)?

Lol a hit dog hollers, and all you're doing is hollering, my dude. Production may have been delayed--I still can't find any evidence for that besides a youtube video, and a bitter blog post citing the same youtube video, so if you've got a link to amazon saying that, post it, I'd like to see it out of curiosity. It's not super relevant, though, since the latest reporting I can find says they're ahead of schedule, which you claimed was "out of date." Still nothing to back up that claim of yours, either. You don't like the show, that's cool, it's no skin off my back, no need for you to make shit up to validate you. Though if you do, you'll quite reasonably get called out, regardless of how butthurt that makes you.

[Kumorii]

After watching latest HotD episode. It bums me that this show can't even get 1/5th of the acting and emotional writing with this huge budget compared to it.

[Xath]

Is that really all you have to cling to? I've told you before that I've read Wheel of Time several times. I've read The Hobbit and most of Lord of the Rings when I was in Highschool. Using wikis and other sources to support a claim doesn't mean anything other then having proof to back things up. Stop making using evidence out to be a bad thing.

You clearly have not read Wheel of Time as had been proven multiple times. Also how the hell do you read most of Lord of The Rings rofl

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Are you this critical of the Jackson films? They were not 100% faithful to the books and the writers had to make the story more adaptable for the big screen. Christopher Tolkien hated the movies because he felt Jackson took the book and turned it into a Hollywood action movie for teenagers and left all of the beauty of the story out of it. The most important themes for Tolkien (his heavy references to Catholicism which I doubt you noticed because thematic elements are mostly ignored by people who can't picture a non-white elf) were overshadowed by the focus on the fighting rather than the actual journies and development of the characters themselves. Even some of the character's personalities (Boromir, for example) were changed for added drama.

Did any of that matter at the end of the day? No, because film adaptations of books are rarely fully faithful to everything in them. All that matters is if they're entertaining to watch and tell a good story. Middle Earth's second age spans thousands of years and has massive gaps in the lore that exists, so you have to take creative liberties if you want to fit all of that into a TV series and have some continuity between seasons and characters. I don't know why any of this is surprising to you. If you want a word-for-word retelling of a story with massive gaps then just read the books.

The Jackson films aren't perfect but they are at least an adaptation there are massive massive chunks here that flat out go against cannon. Like to the level of Boromir didn't die it was just a flesh wound.

[rhorle]

You clearly have not read Wheel of Time as had been proven multiple times. Also how the hell do you read most of Lord of The Rings rofl

You can live in the fantasy world you've created for those that don't agree with you or you can accept what they tell you. The choice is yours. I also don't think I honestly have to tell you how a person can read only part of a book (or books).

[Triceron]

Lol a hit dog hollers, and all you're doing is hollering, my dude.

Looks like you're hollering too :/

[Syegfryed]

Then you have Elendil release his horse, we all know in some contrived way he is going to live (betting on he somehow falls through the ground into the tunnels the orcs made) and his horse will find/carry him to safety. Typical bullshit mystery from Jar Jar Abrams and his disciples.

Blatantly copying, not just a reference, fucking copying what brego did to Aragorn

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After watching latest HotD episode. It bums me that this show can't even get 1/5th of the acting and emotional writing with this huge budget compared to it.

A man walking in a room have more emotional weight and depth than this entire season of rings of onions, its absurd.