Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[frn1]

Love the argument "we have only seen x/50 hours of the show, you can't criticize it!"

Ok? At how many hours is it ok then? 20,30,35?
The first season and hours of the show should really be used to capture the viewer. If it doesn't, there won't be people to watch the rest of it.
This show survives solely on the LOTR name, it would probably be cancelled quick without it.

[crusadernero]

Love the argument "we have only seen x/50 hours of the show, you can't criticize it!"

Ok? At how many hours is it ok then? 20,30,35?
The first season and hours of the show should really be used to capture the viewer. If it doesn't, there won't be people to watch the rest of it.
This show survives solely on the LOTR name, it would probably be cancelled quick without it.

Yeah its the same people say about many MMORPGs. "Just play the game for 500 hours and it will be worth it then". I find the show mediocre. It looks great and all that, but its.. empty? No soul? I dunno, it lacks something. It doesnt really grab me. The only reason im still watching it is because im a big LoTR fan. Read the books, loved the LOTR movies and all that. So guess im just watching out of the hope of it being good.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Watching Electrodriel walk around with UnwashedFace during the last episode was one the most excruciating things I've had to endure over this year.
On the other hand, the insignificant queen going blind might mean we won't have to put up with her presence on screen any more, which is a good thing.
Pity Inkwell didn't die, yet, though.

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Also, harfoots are fucking hypocrites.

[Kumorii]

https://www.gamesradar.com/rings-of-...-of-the-rings/

"We were really attracted to the idea of this relationship between a young woman who has her eye on the horizon, in that sort of archetypal Luke Skywalker way, and the horizon landing in her backyard," McKay said. "And maybe the horizon isn't all good. The negotiation and the friendship and the relationship that could come out of that, maybe it's dangerous. We talked about the Iron Giant, we talked about E.T., we talked about the Terminator.

"We reckon that it's an emotionally satisfying and engaging story to tell regardless of the name of the person. And somewhere down the road, when the person maybe has a name, hopefully you don't even care anymore, because the relationship and the journey has been so engaging, that it's not a guessing game of who it is. It's about a story that you, no matter who he is, would be satisfying."

Came across this. So either they have rewritten another character into something completely different so the name is irrelevant. Or it's a completely made up character and the story is supposed to carry it, which I mean... After 7 episodes we know he is confused, knows magic and looking for stars. So I'm not exactly holding my hopes up for it to be a satisfying story.

It's seems that they are aware they aren't following the lore or stories or who the characters are by making this statement of "who he is doesn't matter, storytelling does". Which is kind of backpedalling their previous comments on how important it was for them to be faithful.



It just dawned on me that we have only 1 episode left...
Maybe my prediction of Halbrand making a devious-isch smile after he makes it known he can help Celebrimbor with either smithing or the towers, or something in line with that, as the season finale.

[Raisei]

What? They purchased the rights directly from the Tolkien estate to make this series and they had veto power over the writing if they felt the writers were deviating too far from the themes in Tolkien's work. They specifically gave them their blessing to create and add things to the story. Come on man, what are we even talking about here? You're absolutely clueless about this series, aren't you?

Mhm, I think you are the clueless one. They have the rights to the 3 movies and the books they are based on, plus the appendices. They specifically do not have the rights of the Simarillion, which is the the guide to the Second Age. That is the entire reason why they constantly have to make shit up.

And seriously. They gave the Tolkien family millions for those rights. As if those folks would then care enough to actually veto all the changes that were made... especially since... just imagine what would have happened if the people had gone and vetoed the whole "reflection of the world we live in today" changes. Probably the militant woke crowd would have burned their houses down for being racist misogynists.

The problem with this show and with some others like She-Hulk is that they know they can't write worth shit. So in an effort to create a shield against critics, they included completely unexplained diversity and changed beloved characters like Galadriel to reflect our current world and thus pissed off the people who actually care about the lore. Then they pointed at the Lore-nerds and called them racists for demanding that diversity be explained and rooted in the lore, creating the perfect defense against all critics. Because you do not have to answer to someone that you have declared a racist.

And thanks to people like you, this strategy is working perfectly. If you critize She-Hulk, you are a misogynist, if you critize Rings, you are a racist and no matter how well founded the criticism is, no one is listening anymore. It is an obvious tactic on behalve of the showrunners, just why you are playing into their hands is beyond me.
Do you think they need your moral support to feel better about themselves when they smoke the millions that they got for writing this catastrophe? Or do you - actually - think they care about diversity? Because that would just be sad. They are manipulating you openly and you are letting them.

Now all this isn't to say that you cannot make a fantasy show with diversity, but you need to work it inside the lore. GoTh had a ton of actors with different skin colours, but they did not just throw those in where it made no sense. The actors were chosen based on the climate of the countries their characters came from. Hence why - to simplify - the North in general had white actors while the southern parts where it is hotter and the sun was shining more, darker complexions were common.

This is logical and completely alright, no one had a problem with it.

The problems start when a Dwarf that lives under a mountain, about as far removed from sunshine as is possible, has a dark complexion for no reason other then unexplained pandering to the woke crowd.
If they truely were so oblivious that they did not see these issues coming, then they are idiots and should never have been given the job to write such a high stakes, high cost project. But I think they were fully aware of the problem that would arise. They just didn't care, since they never cared about writing a good show.
They are blatantly getting rich from the climate created by Twitter and the woke movement in which you can get any low-quality garbage streamed to the world as long as you include enough feminism and diversity and if people don't like it, well, then they must be hating women and/or be racists.

If you're fine with Peter Jackson reducing the major themes of Lord of the Rings down to a trio of Hollywood action films then I see no reason to take your pearl-clutching about the changes in Rings of Power seriously. That's a cover for why you really dislike the series and you know it. Seriously, if you really just cared about the lore you'd leave it at that. It's your complete lack of transparency that started this discussion. We're talking about a series that has barely started. None us know what the final product will be. we haven't even seen a full season yet.

The difference is pretty simple. Jackson produced good movies and that makes minor changes to the lore forgivable, but that doesn't mean that people would not have prefered a more lore accurate story.
The series however isn't good. If they had published it without the LoTR title then no one would have watched more then 1-2 episodes of this.

Also, the series has barely started? uh... have you watched more then the first episode? Because we had almost 10 hours of screen time by now. Much much more then the usual series is affored before it is judged. It's almost as much screen time as the entire LoTR triology (expanded version).

Take the Harley Quinn animated series. The entire first season was what? 3 hours total? And people loved it so much they immediatedly wanted more. Even when it was shortly canceled people clamoured to get more and so there now is more. That show is btw another excellent example of including diversity without replacing quality. The homosexual relationship of the main protagonists only ever served to enrich the story and thus there was little to no negative reaction to it.

Have you read anyone eagerly awaiting the next season of Rings? I haven't. The most positive I hear is "Meh".

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It just dawned on me that we have only 1 episode left...
Maybe my prediction of Halbrand making a devious-isch smile after he makes it known he can help Celebrimbor with either smithing or the towers, or something in line with that, as the season finale.

I don't actually think that Halbrand is evil at this time. We heard Adar talk about Sauron wanting to heal Middleearth and this is where that character is at atm. When he failed, he just wanted out, but now Galadriel is dragging him back. He isn't a Dark Lord at the moment, he really wants to be good. Something will happen in the future that changes this.

[Gumble]

Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.

You do know why this is right?

I mean you might not given the rest of your post, but I would think it's pretty obvious if you give it a few seconds of thought.



I'll wait.


Did you get it?


No?


Ok


They are all the same character. The only way they know how to write female heros is to take the worst traits of men, package them into a female form. Whether it be Rey, Carol, Jen Walters or Galadriel, they are all the same character, played by different actresses doing their best impersonation of a generic male hero with what thye assume generic male hero traits are.

[s_bushido]

Elecrodriel

The fuck even is this.

[Xath]

This post is too much of a mess for me to make sense of. I don't usually go after people's grammar and writing skills because mine is far from perfect. But if you're going to make it a habit of attacking people's intelligence as means to try to win an argument, the least you can do is learn how to form coherent, complete sentences. I'm not being petty. It's seriously hard to read all that shit. I normally wouldn't even mention it but just look at your post history. This is how you respond to anyone who disagrees with your ramblings. You're just not equipped to have this discussion. It's a waste of time.

There isn't much I care to say in response to any of that beyond what I've already said in other posts. I've said what I've had to say and don't see a point going any further when you routinely make shit up out of thin air like this:



What? They purchased the rights directly from the Tolkien estate to make this series and they had veto power over the writing if they felt the writers were deviating too far from the themes in Tolkien's work. They specifically gave them their blessing to create and add things to the story. Come on man, what are we even talking about here? You're absolutely clueless about this series, aren't you?

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If you're fine with Peter Jackson reducing the major themes of Lord of the Rings down to a trio of Hollywood action films then I see no reason to take your pearl-clutching about the changes in Rings of Power seriously. That's a cover for why you really dislike the series and you know it. Seriously, if you really just cared about the lore you'd leave it at that. It's your complete lack of transparency that started this discussion. We're talking about a series that has barely started. None us know what the final product will be. we haven't even seen a full season yet.


You're also not the only person to read the books. Grow up.

This series is going into it's final episode and the run time is over half that of lotr already with nothing done at all. Also no not a cover at all. However race is the only reason you care and that's been made abundantly obvious. The level of changes they have made are nearing the point of if Jackson's movies were literally them getting to Rivendell contacting the eagles and then end in tracking shot of am eagle dropping the ring into mount doom roll credits. If you had a single clue about the story you would realize why these changes are awful and I'm not talking about the ones you are obsessed with defending.

[Ghost of Cow]

Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.

...ever thought that it's because those characters have that in common?

Shit, I hear everyone complain about Rey. From redpillers to feminists. Seems to be the one thing everyone agrees on.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

The fuck even is this.

Electro drill = Electrodriel = sorry excuse for Galadriel we have

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...ever thought that it's because those characters have that in common?

Shit, I hear everyone complain about Rey. From redpillers to feminists. Seems to be the one thing everyone agrees on.

Well, I've seen some very peculiar vaguely humane persons defending Rey in the She-Shrek thread.
They even tried(and failed) to prove she's not a Mary Sue.

[Kumorii]

Electro drill = Electrodriel = sorry excuse for Galadriel we have

Can I have further explanation of this? Seen your nicknames and never understood them. Not saying they are wrong, just curious.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Can I have further explanation of this? Seen your nicknames and never understood them. Not saying they are wrong, just curious.

Sure.

In my country, we have this famous film translator by the "Goblin" moniker. He is very proficient at translating movies in a certain, funny manner, and he coined Galadriel as "Electrodrill" when he made a funny-comedic translation of the LOTR trilogy, and this mockname really grew on me.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They are all the same character. The only way they know how to write female heros is to take the worst traits of men, package them into a female form. Whether it be Rey, Carol, Jen Walters or Galadriel, they are all the same character, played by different actresses doing their best impersonation of a generic male hero with what thye assume generic male hero traits are.

Jen Walters has deep insecurity issues and just wants to lead a normal life as a lawyer.

Rey has trouble letting go of a fantasy of her Parants coming back and desperately reaches out for any connections to other people she can find to fill that void.

Galadriel has an all consuming need for revenge that leads her to put her self and others at risk.

Carol is all about breaking limits others have put on her.

These characters aren’t any thing like each other’s in any meaningful way, they all have vastly different attributes goals and passions then each other.

[NineSpine]

If Tolkien were alive today the rights for a multi season television series based on the appendices would never have been floated to begin. Because it is literally giving a studio free reign to make up stories to fill time for hours of television. And if he was alive today, he may have finished the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales or perhaps other work to fill in the story of the second age as something for studios to potentially adapt separate from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings books.

Tolkien rather explicitly stated that he intended for other people to expand on his works:

"I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many others only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama."
-- Letter to Milton Waldman, 1951

[Fortress of Arrogance]

Tolkien rather explicitly stated that he intended for other people to expand on his works:

"I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many others only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama."
-- Letter to Milton Waldman, 1951

"expanding" doesn't necessarily mean "completely disregard all that's been done, all the lore, all the fluff, and push THE MESSAGE of the modern, so very diverse and tolerant times".

[s_bushido]

These characters aren’t any thing like each other’s in any meaningful way, they all have vastly different attributes goals and passions then each other.

But...they're all women. Clearly that means they're all the same. :thinking:


It's strange that I'm still surprised at just how shallow the analysis of people like this is. You'd think I'd be used to it by now, but when even I (a world-class idiot) can figure out these simple narrative/character ideas...I assume that everyone else can as well. And yet, here we are.

[NineSpine]

"expanding" doesn't necessarily mean "completely disregard all that's been done, all the lore, all the fluff, and push THE MESSAGE of the modern, so very diverse and tolerant times".

Don't say Tolkien would never allow people to expand on his work, and then when proven wrong shift the goalpost to "He would never allow people to expand his work in ways that upset terminally online man-babies." Those aren't the same point.

He SPECIFICALLY states in that quote that people would expand on the parts of hiss tories he only "sketched", which is in direct opposition to what you are saying. The truth is that you know fuck all about Tolkien and you know fuck all about what he envisioned for his work.

[Gumble]

Jen Walters has deep insecurity issues and just wants to lead a normal life as a lawyer.

Rey has trouble letting go of a fantasy of her Parants coming back and desperately reaches out for any connections to other people she can find to fill that void.

Galadriel has an all consuming need for revenge that leads her to put her self and others at risk.

Carol is all about breaking limits others have put on her.

These characters aren’t any thing like each other’s in any meaningful way, they all have vastly different attributes goals and passions then each other.

That is what you are TOLD these characters are like.... their actions do not tell that story, their actions and their behaviors are so shockingly similar that its like they all were cut from the same mold with different colored clothes tossed on them.

Almost like they are barbies, without any of the appeal of barbies.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But...they're all women. Clearly that means they're all the same. :thinking:


It's strange that I'm still surprised at just how shallow the analysis of people like this is. You'd think I'd be used to it by now, but when even I (a world-class idiot) can figure out these simple narrative/character ideas...I assume that everyone else can as well. And yet, here we are.

It’s pretty ridiculous how clueless some people just be for these comparisons ya.

Like really “I just want to live a normal life and who doesn’t any one like normal Jen” is the same character as “know the darkness is still out there and won’t stop until I find it” Galadriel?

If I didn’t see it here I’d never think any one could actually think something so silly.

[Fortress of Arrogance]

But...they're all women. Clearly that means they're all the same. :thinking:


It's strange that I'm still surprised at just how shallow the analysis of people like this is. You'd think I'd be used to it by now, but when even I (a world-class idiot) can figure out these simple narrative/character ideas...I assume that everyone else can as well. And yet, here we are.

Can you figure out if the showrunners succeeded with the way they pictured Electrodriel?

Don't say Tolkien would never allow people to expand on his work, and then when proven wrong shift the goalpost to "He would never allow people to expand his work in ways that upset terminally online man-babies." Those aren't the same point.

Sure thing, thing.
Now bye, Felicia.