This was their promo picture... you know a picture that's supposed to be looked at. Nothing of this "you have to watch it 20 times to see it" fly as an excuse.
Everyone pointed it out that it was a printed shirt and looked cheap from the moment this was posted.
Even if I buy the excuse of "it's printed" on a shirt or leather... it just looks odd. It's a weird design choice because it has the same scales as the armor and naturally you think the arms will be armored as well. It makes it look cheap even if we excuse it in-universe being made such... it's just cheap looking.
Hell, they even solved it with Elendils armor by having an undershirt of another color where the creases would be in their costume. And they have a thicker piece of leather/thick cloth there to begin with. So they did know how to fix it... probably forgot about it for Miriel though. if they did this to make Miriel look regal they failed. Frankly, Elendils armor look more regal than hers because of the details in it.
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Is it me, or did his character radically change in the last 20 minutes? Before that you could actually take his claim seriously that he was going to try to heal and help. But then after the reveal his entire tone seems to suggest how much pleasure he took in tricking people, it felt jarring somehow. As if a mask dropped that I never felt he wore. Knowing who he is from the start made me look out for details that betray his real character, but all his talk seemed genuine...
In a better show I would say that he tricked me, despite me looking at him, but here I just think that they wrote a break in his character so that Galadriels rebuttal wasn't too forced.
Fixed that for you.
There was nothing to "fix," given that what she's shown wearing it in the same exact scene that we first see Elendil's armor. And since she doesn't actually go into the battle herself, it seems pretty obvious that it's supposed to be more decorative than practical. Therefore thinner gilded cloth instead of quilted padding like the rest of the soldiers were wearing.
It's a bad complaint and people making it should feel bad.
The funny thing is that this was wholly unnecessary. You simply do not wear scale armor under a breatplate of more scale armor. You wear a mail shirt and a gambeson under that, allowing for both mobility and protection. If this shirt she is wearing was actually made of metal she could barely move, both because of the rigidness and weight, and with as thin as it is, she'd have to wear it directly on the skin, which is extremely painful.
Of course, considering the swordplay scenes, it is quite clear they neither had a fight coreographer nor an expert for medieval weapons and armor on the set. So of course everything just follows the rule of cool. I literally have no clue where all that money went....
No, it's not only you.
The entire scene between those two was to try and convince the audience he has been scheming and manipulated Galadriel with subtlety all this time. When in fact most of the stuff she did was on her own accord against Halbrands wishes. Trying to make it seem like some reverse psychology trick... problem is they cant sell it and didn't build it up in a believable manner.
I mentioned it in my "review" post. They forced this and sped through it while they spent 6 episodes on basically nothing... More time should've been spent on this. And I think they revealed Sauron too early. The only manipulation I buy from him is his wound to get to Eregion and how to make the rings. They should've done more of this throughout the season.
The water shot was pretty cool though, I give them that... the rest though... blegh.
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Guards that let their queen or king go onto a battlefield with "decorative" armor usually end up without said queen or king. This isn't a friggin state meeting with another ruler, this is a warzone, representation counts very little. In fact, being visibly the leader while there are still quite possibly archers around is extremely stupid.
If the people would actually allow their queen to be there, then she would be clad in so much steel that she could barely see (which might have been smart in hindsight). Especially since her father is close to death anyway, there is no way they would risk the heir. Especially not for the grand prize of a dozen orcs in a village in the middle of nowhere that means nothing to them.
Just look at this amor... a sword would cut her arm off throught that shirt with ease and her friggin neck is completely unprotected, she isn't even wearing a mail shirt for a bit of protection around the neck. You could take her head clean off with a simple swing.
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Then why the hell is all their armor leather? O.o The forces they send to the Southlands, the knights on horses, are clerly just wearing the scale-lookalike leather armor. If that is meant to be actual plate armor, than its badly made and easy to see as fake armor.
Rings of Power should not be a show, that has to take the cheap way. If they want their soldiers to look like they have plate armor on, they should be able to actually make some plate armor for them wear.
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Don't let yourself be satisfied with what you expect and what you seem as obvious. Ask for something good, surprising and better. Your own standards ends up being other peoples standard.
Nah, he was "caught" even though he wasn't. But Galadriel were on his tail and knew who he was because apparently there was no record of him being heir of a king of southlands, which he never said he was and even pointed it out. The show trying to multiple things. Presenting Galadriel to be this great detective who figured him out and having him a master manipulator... Not even sure why the first suspicion of someone "lying" (but never actually did lie) about being an heir means he must be Sauron. He could've easily just say he took the role because she so vehemently pushed it on him despite what he said.
Not even sure why he agreed to be king in the first place if he was Sauron... he never ruled, he said "Yes i'm your king" they cheer and then he's off smithing in Eregion.
Would be cool if he actually became their king and crafted the rings for men there before going to Eregion. Getting their loyalty. Would actually serve a purpose of him lying about being a king in that one moment that amounted to nothing.
EDIT: Have to correct myself a little.
It was the saying "Not of the flesh, but over flesh" that caused the suspicion, but the list of heirs is what she used as proof.
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How am I outright lying? Jackson was going to make a watered down script with Miramax until it fell apart. He was shopping that watered down script to different studios. New Line Cinema is who told them to expanded their vision and add in all the things they cut. If it wasn't for NLC getting behind it 110% the movies as we know them wouldn't have existed. Urging and Encouraging are similar words. You are choosing to make a huge difference between them just so you don't have to admit that NLC made the project possible. It is just nitpicking a word I used when if I used the word you wanted the argument would remain the same, strange right?
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
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It would have been much funnier if he wasn't Sauron at all.
"I just checked Elvipedia, you're not a king at all! ...so you must be Sauron!!!"
"...what? No, I'm just some rando that you picked to be king and kept on my ass about it so I just rolled with it eventually. The fuck is a Sauron?"
His pride. Sauron enviosned himself as some god king of Middle-earth. The only reason why he remained after the first age was because he was to prideful to seek the judgement of Valinor.
"Now Sauron's lust and pride increased, until he knew no bounds, and he determined to make himself master of all things in Middle-earth, and to destroy the Elves, and to compass if he might, the downfall of Númenor. He brooked no freedom nor any rivalry, and he named himself Lord of the Earth. A mask he still could wear so that if he wished he might deceive the eyes of Men, seeming to them wise and fair. But he ruled rather by force and fear, if they might avail; and those who perceived his shadow spreading over the world called him the Dark Lord and named him the Enemy; and he gathered under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it, and the Orcs were at his command and multiplied like flies."
— The Silmarillion, Akallabêth
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
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You can't point out bad costume design for this flagship production with a billion dollar budget because that's nitpicking. Yeah, ok...
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
There is no need to exaggerate the budget. Season 1 was around $715 million. People lump the cost for the rights to bring it closer to $1 billion. However an article a week or two ago stated that it was Netflix that offered $250 million and Amazon's offer was actually lower though it didn't give the amount. HotD still has some complaints and "nitpicks" that equal caring about an undershirt on a Queen not being "real scales". It is just people hand wave those critiques away because they don't dislike the show overall like they do with Rings of Power. Hence why the person randomly brought up the Queen's Shirt again because their other critiques were being countered.
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I didn't ignore any context. You used ... which broke up the sentence and separated the first from the rest. Not to mention even the forum rules say not to use whole post quotes if you don't need to.
His pride still answers your question. He wanted to be king of all. The show implies a "falling out" between him and adar which gives a strong reason for why he would be seeking a "replacement" for his pride. It also gives him a stronger connection to be present for things instead of just the sea hobo Galadrial rescued.
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That's another lie right there. It was always Jacksons aspiration to stay as close to the source material as possible. It was Miramax and Weinstein who tried to force him to do a strongly cut version, and since Miramax/Weinstein held the right to use the material at the time, they imposed the condition that any other studio would have to pick up the costs, which Weinstein/Miramax back then considered to be a dealbreaker. They assumed that Jackson would ultimately give in, which he didn't. NLC picked up the costs and gave Jackson the funding to make a faithful adaptaion, as was always his goal.
And no, it's not just nitpicking, you've been grossly misrepresenting the entire situation from the get-go, starting by the tremendously stupid lie that Jackson wasn't the key figure in getting these movies made. Which he was. And not New Line. They financed it, sure. They acknowledged the potential earnings and had the wisdom to fund a proper movie, sure. It's still Jacksons project.
And yet he was working with a watered down script and pitching that script to other studios. So he was clearly more interested in adapting the books then remaining faithful. I'm not grossly misrepresenting the situation. You are nitpicking between encourage and urged. New Line Cinema were the ones that got the movies to be as grand as they are.
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Im not sure the mithril plot is counter to your points…
1) the rings were designed to amplify mithrils restorative powers
2) when sauron made the one ring, he tied the elven rings to it aswell. When the one ring was destroyed, the elven rings lost their light aswell.
3) greenwood fell to corruption because there was no elven ringbearer there, as you yourself indicate. This is not inconsistent.
The power of the elven rings was always to “preserve”. I think they did something very creative tying it to mithril.