Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

So taking a look at these last 2 episodes post Mt. Doom exploding...

I really think Arondir was completely unnecessary to Season 1. He doesn't even show up once in these last two episodes, and as a POV character he has no real conclusion whatsoever to his 'arc', if you can even call it an arc. We just see him appear once throughout the 2 final episodes, and just as a 'cameo'...

I really don't get what kind of story they needed to tell for him and why they bothered having so much focus on his character when ultimately EVERYTHING that was necessary to the plot ended up being given to Galadriel instead once she arrives in the Southlands. Everything. EVEN in the role as the only Elf who is actively shown helping the Southlanders after the eruption.

[Orby]

Did you rate it 5 or below? :P

I rated it a 5. Yes... But the review itself was very constructive... I mentioned all the stuff I loved and tried to be diplomatic as possible. While its easy to rip into the show I did think there was a lot of good. :P

[Kumorii]

I rated it a 5. Yes... But the review itself was very constructive... I mentioned all the stuff I loved and tried to be diplomatic as possible. While its easy to rip into the show I did think there was a lot of good. :P

Yeah, I don't doubt that, seen your posts.
Just couldn't pass up the joke

[Orby]

Yeah, I don't doubt that, seen your posts.
Just couldn't pass up the joke

lol. Yea... I remember my Last Jedi review took 3 days pending other than that I havent had a review take this long. I think it goes up eventually... good thing I saved the review to this thread if I ever have to rework and repost it :P

[Kumorii]

So taking a look at these last 2 episodes post Mt. Doom exploding...

I really think Arondir was completely unnecessary to Season 1. He doesn't even show up once in these last two episodes, and as a POV character he has no conclusion whatsoever to his 'arc', if you can even call it an arc. The last we see of him is before the eruption...

I really don't get what kind of story they needed to tell for him and why they bothered having so much focus on his character when ultimately EVERYTHING that was necessary to his plot ended up being given to Galadriel instead once she arrives in the Southlands. Everything. EVEN in the role as the only Elf who helps the Southlanders after the eruption.

Disa has the same issue really. She was enjoyable, except the last bit, but kind of pointless.

[Veggie50]

Calling out bad armor/cosplay tier armor (actually worse compared to some cosplay I have seen) is not nitpicking.

Nitpicking would be asking why the fuck they have so many scenes of women in the show showing their legs, like seriously half the female cast had a scene where they walked just right to show leg (can only guess that like the nickelodeon/foot guy, there is an amazon/leg guy).

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There are some big issues with it, as the leaf/mithril bit implies it straight up just heals the tree/the elves, and isn't consumed. In theory you can then just a large enough chunk of mithril that elves could walk past and they would be "cured". Also would mean that Frodo's mithril chainmail would be invaluable to the elves, and they would want it as it could save them.

It is a stupid plot point to make, as it complicates things now and in the future while adding little good to the story (in my opinion). Like while having some details about it, they left it vague enough to not answer the numerous questions they themselves have now made. I am just left asking why, which to be fair I feel that way about so many of the decisions they made.

The show made very clear that they had VERY little mithril to work with though. Their initial thought was exactly as you described, get more and actively go about healing the land. They needed to be able to do more with less, and hence the elven rings were created.

Frodos mithril shirt WAS enormously valuable. Had frodo gone to mirkwood he might have healed the lands there. We’ll never know because the story does not describe him going there. The only 2 elven lands frodo visits are loth lorien and rivendel, both having a ringbearer.

How is this somehow more vague than “the elven rings had the power to preserve elven kind”?

[Ghost of Cow]

"We need the magic from this mithril to save the tree, but we don't have much."

"It's ok, just mix it with gold. Then you'll have more metal."

"An alloy? Sure...but we're not trying to create a stronger or better metal or something. We need the magic part..."

"Naw, just do it, trust me, it'll be good."

[rhorle]

Calling out bad armor/cosplay tier armor (actually worse compared to some cosplay I have seen) is not nitpicking.

Commenting about an undershirt is nitpicking. Even more so when referencing a show, HotD, that has similar issues with undergarments or supports not being "practical" for the type/period of dress they are replicating. The Queen doesn't have to wear battle-accurate armor if it is essentially ceremonial. Why not go for comfort? It is one of those things that become an issue when you need to make it one.

If the rest of the show was seen as good then most posters wouldn't care about the shirt as much as they claim to.

[Triceron]

The show made very clear that they had VERY little mithril to work with though. Their initial thought was exactly as you described, get more and actively go about healing the land. They needed to be able to do more with less, and hence the elven rings were created.

The Dwarves in the book timeline would have had hundreds if not thousands of years to mine Mithril. It wasn't newly discovered like in the compressed timeline we see in the show. It wouldn't have been scarce to the point of what we saw in this first season.

It would have been valuable, yes, but much like any precious metal you would want to reserve it for quality crafts and not shit like paperclips and nails. The show implied they had to make the most out of that little nugget Elrond had.

Frodos mithril shirt WAS enormously valuable. Had frodo gone to mirkwood he might have healed the lands there. We’ll never know because the story does not describe him going there. The only 2 elven lands frodo visits are loth lorien and rivendel, both having a ringbearer.

How is this somehow more vague than “the elven rings had the power to preserve elven kind”?

Eh, the show's canon clearly doesn't work with LOTR and effectively retcons it with plot twist shenanigans. If LOTR followed RoP's plot, a lot of things wouldn't make sense any more, this merely being one case. As someone said earlier, if Mithril were merely the macguffin that allows Elves to stay in Middle Earth, they would have no real reason to leave by the end of the events of LOTR.

[eschatological]

If the undershirt wasn't printed, there'd be no complaint. The complaint is a made up assertion that they were "trying to make it look like scale" when they've clearly, on other costumes, shown they know that scale is usually backed by a thick undershirt of some sort.

Knowing this, if you look at the armor as ceremonial (read: fancy) it makes sense that someone might want to make a queen a fancy printed shirt to wear and match the scale she's wearing on top of it.

It's fairly simple. It's nitpicky because the nitpickers are asserting something as true (that the shirt is meant to be scale) which isn't true, and then using it to knock the quality of the costume as shoddy, when they're working from false assumptions. But I get it, the printed shirt doesn't look as good or make as much sense as a plain shirt would - there's obviously been some weird design choices here.

[rhorle]

"It's ok, just mix it with gold. Then you'll have more metal."

The show did indicate the purity/power of Valinor was the key part. Normal gold and silver wouldn't cut it at least for the 3 elven rings. It is unclear if the show will have the other 16 rings and unnumbered minor ones.

[Triceron]

Disa has the same issue really. She was enjoyable, except the last bit, but kind of pointless.

At least Disa was just a supporting character. I don't think there's a good excuse for Arondir, who is literally a POV main character who ended up having zero conclusion to his arc outside of a 1 minute cameo showing him alive and back with Theo and Bronwyn. Like, that's it? We spent hours on this guy and this is it?

The writers really made his entire story pointless. He doesn't even get any resolution at all with Adar, giving that up entirely to Galadriel.

[rhorle]

Like, that's it? We spent hours on this guy and this is it?

He went to Pelargir with the rest. What more of a conclusion do you want?

[bledgor]

If the undershirt wasn't printed, there'd be no complaint. The complaint is a made up assertion that they were "trying to make it look like scale" when they've clearly, on other costumes, shown they know that scale is usually backed by a thick undershirt of some sort.

Knowing this, if you look at the armor as ceremonial (read: fancy) it makes sense that someone might want to make a queen a fancy printed shirt to wear and match the scale she's wearing on top of it.

It's fairly simple. It's nitpicky because the nitpickers are asserting something as true (that the shirt is meant to be scale) which isn't true, and then using it to knock the quality of the costume as shoddy, when they're working from false assumptions. But I get it, the printed shirt doesn't look as good or make as much sense as a plain shirt would - there's obviously been some weird design choices here.

No, it is an issue because it looks cheap, especially compared to the Jackson trilogy. Once more, this is the most expensive show every produced and with that comes expectations, which things like this shirt, the bad Celebrimbor outfit, the horribly fit Numenorean helmets, as well as the fact almost every character in the show has worn only 1-2 outfits across the entire season means people are upset/disappointed by it.

[Triceron]

He went to Pelargir with the rest. What more of a conclusion do you want?

How about what he's actually going to be doing and an indication of what his role may be in the future? We practically get that with every other major POV character in the series, even Nori.

[Ghost of Cow]

The entire Southlands storyline felt like one big red herring, but eh. At least it gave us Adar who was interesting compared to the rest of the cast.

[bledgor]

The entire Southlands storyline felt like one big red herring, but eh. At least it gave us Adar who was interesting compared to the rest of the cast.

Honestly felt better/cared more for Adar than just about every "good" character, especially Galadriel.

[rhorle]

How about what he's actually going to be doing and an indication of what his role may be in the future? We practically get that with every other major POV character in the series, even Nori.

So Season 2?

[Skulltaker]

And yet he was working with a watered down script and pitching that script to other studios. So he was clearly more interested in adapting the books then remaining faithful. I'm not grossly misrepresenting the situation. You are nitpicking between encourage and urged. New Line Cinema were the ones that got the movies to be as grand as they are.

No, he wasn't. Stop lying. It was Miramax who tried to force him to water it down, and New Line gave him the funding to add the cut parts back.

[Triceron]

So Season 2?

Yes, an indication for what he's set up for in Season 2.

We don't have that at all. Going to a location doesn't set up what the character's motivations in the aftermath. He's a watcher of the Southlands, so is he planning to continue doing that or is he going to take on a new path or what? We have no clue what his motivations are after the whole burning of the Southlands.

They gave everyone else pretty clear motivations leading into the next season with the last two episodes, except for Arondir and Isildur.