Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Darkeon]

Are you sure you are in the right thread? You may be looking for the she-hulk one.

Even the effects team already bailed on she-hulk by now, my man. I definitely didn't mean it.

But you might be on to something, there was also a spike in 'fanpages' fighting off the criticism from that show.

[Shadowferal]

The show was so good that there needs to be a surge in Disney twitter fanpages saying that people simply did not understand what really happened and explaining why it was actually good.

You forgot the tag..(/s)

[rhorle]

Even the effects team already bailed on she-hulk by now, my man. I definitely didn't mean it. But you might be on to something, there was also a spike in 'fanpages' fighting off the criticism from that show.

It was pointing out how you said Disney twitter fan pages for an Amazon show.

[Darkeon]

It was pointing out how you said Disney twitter fan pages for an Amazon show.

That's fair. Nowadays all these corporations just end up looking the same to me, potato potahto type thing. But yeah, I understand the reasoning of your post now, I completely overlooked them.

[minteK917]

Im gona say it then, hate me if you want. She hulk was the better show to watch out of these two, not even close too lol. Honestly what suck is that people probably watched ring of power garbage more then andor, which is an actual fucking good show. But its flying under most people because its not fucking jedi nostalgia shit for the 500th time.

[Bigbazz]

The original Peter Jackson Trilogy was a masterpiece, unfortunately this was a trainwreck fanfiction. It is a shame, I hope the show is cancelled to cut losses and then we can forget it ever existed.

[Adamas102]

Every paragraph filled with idiocy. Let’s start from the top.

My dude, the show try to rpesent him as the great blacksmit of the age, yet, this is not what we see.

Celebrimbor wasn’t a blacksmith. A blacksmith is a smith who primarily works with iron and steel. Tolkien never called him a blacksmith and as far as I recall the show never called him a blacksmith. The few works of Celebrimbor that are mentioned in text are made of gold, silver, mithril, and gemstones.

He can't be the best if others can do better than him, the show contradict itself and make him a dumbass, an old dumbass

Other than the rings, the only other work of Celebrimbor that Tolkien confirms is the Moria gate, of which his part was setting the mithril inlay. Celebrimbor’s craftsmanship skills in making elaborate and finely detailed work isn’t eclipsed by some dudes elsewhere figuring out how to make harder shields. Unless those Southland smiths are also making magic rings and magic doors then I’d say Celebrimbor is still far more skilled than they are.

Waow, look at that, another headcanon fo yours as the show does not put him as a "jewel smith"

This is the one that takes the cake and proves that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

Him being a jewel-smith isn’t my headcanon. It’s what Tolkien wrote. Celebrimbor founded the Gwaith-i-Mirdain (the smiths who forged the rings) and that name literally means “People of the jewel-smiths”. While the show doesn’t say it outright, it makes a point of showing how he takes great inspiration from Feanor whose claim to fame was of course a set of jewels.

[Askyl]

The original Peter Jackson Trilogy was a masterpiece, unfortunately this was a trainwreck fanfiction. It is a shame, I hope the show is cancelled to cut losses and then we can forget it ever existed.

Too bad for you millions upon millions love it and you'll have to endure all 5 seasons of this amazing show! Must be hard for you to cope the world doesn't spin around you.

I love people calling this fanfiction as if PJs trilogy wasn't. The movies changed most characters to the core and both removed, added and changed events that were vital to the story in the books. If people could stop pretending to be Tolkien experts because it's trendy it'd be great!

[Hansworst]

So after watching the entire season I'll give it a 6/10.
It's not as bad as some Youtubers, and the people parroting them, claim it to be but it could've been better, mostly in pacing and writing.
Galadriel still is off, the entire season. To many member berries are used.
Although we're getting more seasons of this, my hopes of ever seeing a Silmarillion series have been reduced to below zero thanks to this underperforming.

[jonnysensible]

Silmarillion series have been reduced to below zero thanks to this underperforming.

thank allah we are spared it. Can't imagine 10 hours of this is pongo, son of mongo, son of drongo, son of tongo would be interesting.

[Maximus Testiculos]

if celembrimbor gets fooled so easily, i have some nice bridges to sell him in eriador.

[cface]

Im gona say it then, hate me if you want. She hulk was the better show to watch out of these two, not even close too lol. Honestly what suck is that people probably watched ring of power garbage more then andor, which is an actual fucking good show. But its flying under most people because its not fucking jedi nostalgia shit for the 500th time.

Andor is the absolute best show for me atm. I'm not much for action scenes (get easily bored by them), but in Andor, I feel something for every simple character somehow, and lazors flying in fights feel impactful and makes me in a nail-biting-mood. Just the way these actors carry them self, small details on how to patrol and how easy it can go wrong. There seems to be put a lot of thought into every scene.
I couldn't care about anyone dying in RoP, it's all, whatever. Showrunners just seems to, lets fast forward the plot now,ooh, lets stop a bit. I mean these guys that runs this show, must be one of the biggest amateurs I've seen. How on earth did they get grab of this show?

I can't pinpoint my finger why I dislike RoP so much, I wanted this show to be good, I came with open mind, couldn't care about blacks here and there, but overall, this show was and is a disaster. You don't feel anything, and if you somehow get a good mood going, they seem to pull you out of it in the following messups k. That could happen in the LotR movies (gimli counting kills etc, but it was rare enough it could be a relief of tension, didn't bother me that much).

[Orby]

Im gona say it then, hate me if you want. She hulk was the better show to watch out of these two, not even close too lol. Honestly what suck is that people probably watched ring of power garbage more then andor, which is an actual fucking good show. But its flying under most people because its not fucking jedi nostalgia shit for the 500th time.

I havent watched She-Hulk, but I have been trying to compare it to Wheel of Time since that is a better comparison both are massive fantasy universes. And I still think Rings of Power has more going for it than Wheel of Time.

• Both suffer from similar problems but Rings of Power has a bigger budget with both falling apart towards the end.
• Both try and add in their own stories over going by the source material, where as to give RoP credit they tried to make best from what is basically bullet points so I can understand fucking it. But Wheel of Time actually had the material and choose to ignore it and make their own story.
• The acting and dialogue in Wheel of Time was better if not a little awkward at times. Rings of Power had very weak dialogue that switched between tring to sound like Tolkien writing and sounding modern, way too often, despite an awful character in Galadriel had some good characters in Elrond, Durin and Disa. Wheel of Time outside of Moraine and Lan the rest of the cast and the 'kids' were unbearable.
• Rings of Power had better effects and locations, Wheel of Time had one place that actually wowed me and that was Shadar Logoth
• Rings of Power had a memorable soundtrack. Wheel of Time I cannot even remember the music.
• Battle and fight scenes, Wheel of Time has more, both both have are very underwhelming, although Rings of Power did have the village skirmish which was the closest we had to an actual fight scene.

[Syegfryed]

Every paragraph filled with idiocy.

Pot meets kettle

Celebrimbor wasn’t a blacksmith. A blacksmith is a smith who primarily works with iron and steel. Tolkien never called him a blacksmith and as far as I recall the show never called him a blacksmith. The few works of Celebrimbor that are mentioned in text are made of gold, silver, mithril, and gemstones.

And surprise, Mithril is metal. Tolkien call him a Smith and an artificer, and lets not pretend that you or the show care about what Tolkien say

Other than the rings, the only other work of Celebrimbor that Tolkien confirms is the Moria gate, of which his part was setting the mithril inlay. Celebrimbor’s craftsmanship skills in making elaborate and finely detailed work isn’t eclipsed by some dudes elsewhere figuring out how to make harder shields. Unless those Southland smiths are also making magic rings and magic doors then I’d say Celebrimbor is still far more skilled than they are.

And you can figure that by working with dwarves for this long and even crafting the gates of Moria he would knew the basic knowledge of the "alloy", since is something so basic that men in the world know about. Then i would say the best "smith" would be a dwarf, not him.

This is the one that takes the cake and proves that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

Him being a jewel-smith isn’t my headcanon.

Ah yes, the gates of moria, a incredible jewel. Btw the thing is, the show does not represent him as a "jewel smith" .

Your headcanon is that makes perfect sense for someone like Celebrimbor be unaware of creating alloys, because even if he himself was not a "black"smith he would know about because elves create weapons and armors as good as dwarves.

But then again, this is just one of the many bullshits, in this episode alone, that you sure as well think is fine or make sense, like i said, no point in discussing any further, keep watching and enjoying the mediocrity

[Askyl]

Pot meets kettle



And surprise, Mithril is metal. Tolkien call him a Smith and an artificer, and lets not pretend that you or the show care about what Tolkien say




And you can figure that by working with dwarves for this long and even crafting the gates of Moria he would knew the basic knowledge of the "alloy", since is something so basic that men in the world know about. Then i would say the best "smith" would be a dwarf, not him.



Ah yes, the gates of moria, a incredible jewel. Btw the thing is, the show does not represent him as a "jewel smith" .

Your headcanon is that makes perfect sense for someone like Celebrimbor be unaware of creating alloys, because even if he himself was not a "black"smith he would know about because elves create weapons and armors as good as dwarves.

But then again, this is just one of the many bullshits, in this episode alone, that you sure as well think is fine or make sense, like i said, no point in discussing any further, keep watching and enjoying the mediocrity

Got the solution for you, simply just don't watch it =)

[InfiniteCharger]

That is them saying it is an adaptation. Lmao. The word you are looking for is faithful and not literal. It is not a faithful adaptation but it is an adaptation. Jackson made up cahracter, dialog, and places but his films were still adaptations.

It is them saying they are making up characters and a story inspired by Tolkien and not a direct adaptation of anything Tolkien wrote.

It may have been a personal passion project for JRR Tolkien but it ended with him selling the rights that allowed people to make use of all or part of his books to create a story they wanted to tell. It is why we have video games, songs, RPG books, toys, etc that all only use the parts of his work that they wanted to use. Things that he gave up control of. You again create a strawman because not once has anyone said the ultimate goal of his work was to make moves or films (the same thing lol). He did however sell the rights so others could create those things based off of some of his work.

And selling those rights does not mean that anything any studio ever comes up with matches what Tolkien intended for his work. Tolkien's work is Tolkien's, Peter Jackson's work is Peter Jackson's and Amazon's work is Amazons. All have separate rights based on the creative and intellectual property involved in each. They all are separate and distinct entities. Whether or not they follow Tolkien's work closely or not still doesn't change they are separate and distinct entities. So arguing about Tolkien's intent implies that anything with the rights to Tolkien is "Tolkien" which is just nonsense.

You just said it yourself. Having the rights means they can make a story that does not have to follow Tolkien at all.
And that is precisely what is happening in this series. So you cannot say that having the rights means following Tolkien' intent.

You can keep trying to deny that Tolkien sold the rights all you want. It won't change that fact. It doesn't even matter if he would have been happy about selling his rights. All that matter is he sold up his rights and gave up creative control in the process.

I never did so now you are just making up stuff to avoid the point that you keep being wrong.

He never sold the rights for doing a 2nd age story based solely on the appendices in a multi season TV series.

That never happened. You can keep ducking this all you want. When he sold the rights to the two books it was for those 2 stories.

This series did not come about because of those rights, it came about because of another set of rights created 5 years ago.

When he sold the rights for those 2 books it was for 2 stories set in the 3rd age, not for a story set in the 2nd age.

Yes, in theory the owners of those rights could theoretically do a 2nd age movie but that is does not mean that is what he intended.

And in reality, we don't really know if that is true, because in all this time those right holder have never attempted it for some reason.

Those are facts and you just keep being wrong because he never created those rights used to create Rings of Power.

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And again, for that matter, IC is also applying the same fallacies of implying that Tolkien would have openly opposed the 2nd Age being adapted, because no one actually knows how this theoretical situation actually plays out. No film company ever expressed wanting to do such a thing while Tolkien was alive.

I never said that. Please if you are going to refer to my argument at least get them right. My point was he never sold those rights intending for them to be used to make up a story of the 2nd age, solely based on the appendices. I have made that clear multiple times.

[Toppy]

So havent watched it yet just had one question.

How are the Dwarves? That was the one thing I was looking forward to, Dwarf stuff.

[Syegfryed]

So havent watched it yet just had one question.

How are the Dwarves? That was the one thing I was looking forward to, Dwarf stuff.

You just rly interact with three, while the actors try to do a good job, their dialogue and storyline is butchered and don't make much sense.

Its also heavily tied with Elrond for reasons, so, there isn't much dwarf stuff

[bledgor]

So havent watched it yet just had one question.

How are the Dwarves? That was the one thing I was looking forward to, Dwarf stuff.

Best arc of the show, that I wouldn't say it is amazing. The actors do a fine job, and the looks are mostly good of them, however they are still stuck in the larger narrative which is garbage. The dialogue is pretty hit or miss, and some of the plot points they have them do are facepalm worthy. Lastly while dwarfs are in the show, there are several episodes they aren't present at all, and even the ones they are in they aren't the narrative focus, and only feature for maybe 10-15 minutes in the episode.

That being said if they had changed the show to be only about dwarfs and taken the same care in the parts and applied it to the whole story I probably would have enjoyed the show, though I wouldn't have loved it like LotR.

[Toppy]

Best arc of the show, that I wouldn't say it is amazing. The actors do a fine job, and the looks are mostly good of them, however they are still stuck in the larger narrative which is garbage. The dialogue is pretty hit or miss, and some of the plot points they have them do are facepalm worthy. Lastly while dwarfs are in the show, there are several episodes they aren't present at all, and even the ones they are in they aren't the narrative focus, and only feature for maybe 10-15 minutes in the episode.

That being said if they had changed the show to be only about dwarfs and taken the same care in the parts and applied it to the whole story I probably would have enjoyed the show, though I wouldn't have loved it like LotR.

Kinda comes off as "Dwarves are good, but mostly because they're so little of them they dont have time to get ruined"