Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Kumorii]

Would be nice to see how the ringwraiths get ensnared, there’s a lot of potential for an interesting story there, particularly because they could be people who otherwise would have been good (like Boromir).

But that seems too complex for these showrunners.

Yeah I don't have much hope either for that... will probably be "men started to follow sauron" and then he appoints some of them.

[Triceron]

Still lots of debating on an undebatable topic…

Have you folks figured out yet that one cannot just decide a topic is undebatable?

No, I don't see any of this as debating at all. It's merely arguing, and in some cases, indirect insults and attacks.

I mean, we're in MMO-C forums, let's not pretend we're having formal debates here. Especially if you're quoting my responses to Rhorle, lol. Have you actually read the response that you quoted? Probably not since you ended up calling this a debate lol.

Also, you realize people are allowed to make inferences and theories WITHOUT tolkien having spoken out about something? There is no law that says tolkien needs to hold your hand =P

The Lord of the Rings referring to Sauron is not a theory, it is a fact. Alternative theories do not change the facts. I mean, anyone wants to push forth an alternate theory, by all means do so. It just doesn't change the fact there is a definitive answer already. It's not a debate, it's merely expressing an alternate theory for what's clearly answered.

Look at my post of the Gandalf is a Fighter meme example above. Gandalf is definitively a wizard, and yet I'd still acknowledge theories like Gandalf is a Fighter because it's a funny meme. It doesn't mean presenting theories immediately equates to definitive facts being debateable, there are many different contexts to having theories, like as a funny meme.

So you're right, there is no law against making theories that are ultimately wrong. People can present theories that are wrong if they wish. I didn't say people can't post alternative theories, I said there is one definitive answer. It wouldn't be a debate, just an argument in ignorance really. And sometimes it can be for the sake of entertainment, like making the argument that Gandalf is a Fighter.

[rhorle]

I get it - you still haven’t read my first post, have you? Lol…

Your first post doesn't matter when you literally said something else in a later post. I've also addressed your first post as well already.

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The best part is that one of the things he claims to be a quote of mine is actually something he wrote!

I didn't claim it was a quote from you. I used it for the context of your post that said "exactly this". Because you know you said exactly this after quoting that part of my post. Lmao.

[Adamas102]

These aren't minor changes and they absolutely disrupt continuity.

No, it fucking doesn’t. The continuity is that Pharazon took control AFTER Palantir died (which of course didn’t happen till the finale, leaving that arc till next season) preventing Miriel from claiming her right of succession. Miriel being regent prior to that (a temporary title by definition) doesn’t change that continuity. Again, this is just people like you using words you don’t understand to bitch about details that aren’t even a problem from a strictly lore sense.

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It's been a decade since I read Sil and unless I am totally confused, lore experts, please explain to me... how is Halbrand who Galadriel knows to be Sauron, going to infiltrate the Elvish society again? Eh?

Why would he need to infiltrate them again?

At this point the elves aren’t aware that the rings are part of some big corrupting mind control scheme so there’s no reason why they wouldn’t make more once Durin IV restarts the mithril mining. Or Sauron just makes the lesser ones himself. He’s the one that hands them out to the dwarves and men (except for one that went to Durin) so either way they end up in his hands before being distributed.

[Triceron]

Would be nice to see how the ringwraiths get ensnared, there’s a lot of potential for an interesting story there, particularly because they could be people who otherwise would have been good (like Boromir).

But that seems too complex for these showrunners.

I really hope there is a strong characterization for each of the Ringwraiths. I really liked what they did with Adar, and would want to see that level of characterization for the Nazgul. But I have a sinking feeling they'll just do em dirty and make em out like the Mystics and completely make em faceless mooks that lack any personality at all.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Happy that it’s over now, at least 1 year without this it…

You know...if you don't like the show, or any show, you can just not watch it. That way it's "over" for more than 1 year....for you, it's over forever.

[MCMLXXXII]

You know...if you don't like the show, or any show, you can just not watch it. That way it's "over" for more than 1 year....for you, it's over forever.

Ignore that. It's a ban evading account of the person spamming those woke gifs throughout all threads.

[Xath]

You know...if you don't like the show, or any show, you can just not watch it. That way it's "over" for more than 1 year....for you, it's over forever.

As has been said approximately 50 times the sooner a terrible adapt is canceled the sooner a timer to someone who actually cares about it doing it starts. See Dune for an example.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

As has been said approximately 50 times the sooner a terrible adapt is canceled the sooner a timer to someone who actually cares about it doing it starts. See Dune for an example.

You don't get a show cancelled by continuing to watch it every week. Shows get cancelled when people STOP watching them.

[Triceron]

As has been said approximately 50 times the sooner a terrible adapt is canceled the sooner a timer to someone who actually cares about it doing it starts. See Dune for an example.

Nah, that is pure correlation. Work in the industry, there is no 'timer', there is only the film company/executive producer's faith in the franchise making money and whether they think it's run its gamut. See Transformers or Twilight for an example.

[Xath]

Nah, that is pure correlation. Work in the industry, there is no 'timer', there is only the film company/executive producer's faith in the franchise making money and whether they think it's run its gamut. See Transformers or Twilight for an example.

Transformers is marketed at an lcd audience lotr isn't which is the problem with the show runners they are choosing for these shows. They are much more suited to running stuff like survivor.

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You don't get a show cancelled by continuing to watch it every week. Shows get cancelled when people STOP watching them.

I don't need to watch it in order to find out what new horrible retcon has been done for the week

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I don't need to watch it in order to find out what new horrible retcon has been done for the week

Then my comment doesn't apply to you...

[Specialka]

You know...if you don't like the show, or any show, you can just not watch it. That way it's "over" for more than 1 year....for you, it's over forever.

How can you form an opinion if you do not read/listen/watch everything you do not like ? Then you get to start to live in a bubble as you do apparently.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

How can you form an opinion if you do not read/listen/watch everything you do not like ? Then you get to start to live in a bubble as you do apparently.

You'll never be able to read/listen/watch everything. You're always going to have to make choices about what you're going to spend your time reading/listening/watching. I'm just suggesting that people might be happier spending their time with things they actually like instead.

But specifically, in the context of this conversation, I am talking about people that have decided they do not like Rings of Power. They could have stopped weatching Rings of Power as soon as they made that discovery. But they kept watching until the end of the season...and will continue to watch next season.

[Specialka]

You'll never be able to read/listen/watch everything. You're always going to have to make choices about what you're going to spend your time reading/listening/watching. I'm just suggesting that people might be happier spending their time with things they actually like instead.

But specifically, in the context of this conversation, I am talking about people that have decided they do not like Rings of Power. They could have stopped weatching Rings of Power as soon as they made that discovery. But they kept watching until the end of the season...and will continue to watch next season.

That is what I do. I always go to the end of a movie/serie/game I do not like because I want to see if I am wrong til the end. Usually, I am not though. That is how you form an educated opinion.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

That is what I do. I always go to the end of a movie/serie/game I do not like because I want to see if I am wrong til the end. Usually, I am not though. That is how you form an educated opinion.

You have to watch every series to the end to discover if you were "right" about not liking it?

That's a lot of time wasted on things you don't like that you could have spent on things you do.

For myself, I'm not going to watch 20 seasons of Grey's Anatomy just to confirm I do not like Grey's Anatomy.

[Specialka]

You have to watch every series to the end to discover if you were "right" about not liking it?

That's a lot of time wasted on things you don't like that you could have spent on things you do.

But I like to know if I am right or no, so not totally a waste of time. And my life is so plentiful that I don't care "wasting time on things I do not like".

[Triceron]

Transformers is marketed at an lcd audience lotr isn't which is the problem with the show runners they are choosing for these shows. They are much more suited to running stuff like survivor.

Yeah but if you look at the numbers and how many people are actually watching the show, it's a similar lcd casual audience who may have watched the LOTR movies but never read the books or know anything about the 2nd Age.

And it worked for Amazon. Even if the show is getting panned by critics and enthusiasts, the casuals are eating it up.

It might not be House of the Dragon success, but few shows are so it'd not be worth comparing. Like, Andor is a way better show than Rings of Power, but it's got shit viewership sadly. Better shows don't always equal success.

[Skulltaker]

It doesn't change any context. It is still One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them. Of course Sauron is related because he is the one who forged it and infused all his native power into it.



Duh. It isn't a faithful adaptation so it isn't going to be 100% faithful to Tolkien canon. It is faithful to the Dwarven King when the rings were forged, Durin III, and the war of the last alliance, Durin IV. Since the show compresses the timeline into a few hundred years at most (or just a few years on the lower end) it makes sense to have Durin III and Durin IV around.

Yes, it does. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is so terrible. The poem attributes Rings to Ringbearers. 3 for the elves, 7 for the dwarves, 9 for men, and one for the Dark Lord. The Lord of the Rings.

You're correct that it isn't a faithful adaptation. But no, as I've explained, it makes no sense for them to share a screen since both are to be considered a reincarnation of the same dwarf. What happened here is that the writes looked up the lineage of Durin and failed to comprehend what the relation between the first dwarven kings was.

And you can repeat the 'compressed timeline' argument all you like, that doesn't make it any better. It only proves that the writers have no clue how to build tension, other than vastly accelerating events. Because they need the elves to gaze in awe upon something, for the dramatic shot. So they simply print out three rings, that, even though they're not supposed to be touched by Sauron, were touched by him. Awesome job.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

But I like to know if I am right or no, so not totally a waste of time. And my life is so plentiful that I don't care "wasting time on things I do not like".

Oh yeah.

Totally not a waste of time to find out after twenty seasons of watching a show you hate that you were right to hate it from season 1.