1. #7321
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You know...if you don't like the show, or any show, you can just not watch it. That way it's "over" for more than 1 year....for you, it's over forever.
    How can you form an opinion if you do not read/listen/watch everything you do not like ? Then you get to start to live in a bubble as you do apparently.

  2. #7322
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    How can you form an opinion if you do not read/listen/watch everything you do not like ? Then you get to start to live in a bubble as you do apparently.
    You'll never be able to read/listen/watch everything. You're always going to have to make choices about what you're going to spend your time reading/listening/watching. I'm just suggesting that people might be happier spending their time with things they actually like instead.

    But specifically, in the context of this conversation, I am talking about people that have decided they do not like Rings of Power. They could have stopped weatching Rings of Power as soon as they made that discovery. But they kept watching until the end of the season...and will continue to watch next season.
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  3. #7323
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You'll never be able to read/listen/watch everything. You're always going to have to make choices about what you're going to spend your time reading/listening/watching. I'm just suggesting that people might be happier spending their time with things they actually like instead.

    But specifically, in the context of this conversation, I am talking about people that have decided they do not like Rings of Power. They could have stopped weatching Rings of Power as soon as they made that discovery. But they kept watching until the end of the season...and will continue to watch next season.
    That is what I do. I always go to the end of a movie/serie/game I do not like because I want to see if I am wrong til the end. Usually, I am not though. That is how you form an educated opinion.

  4. #7324
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    That is what I do. I always go to the end of a movie/serie/game I do not like because I want to see if I am wrong til the end. Usually, I am not though. That is how you form an educated opinion.
    You have to watch every series to the end to discover if you were "right" about not liking it?

    That's a lot of time wasted on things you don't like that you could have spent on things you do.

    For myself, I'm not going to watch 20 seasons of Grey's Anatomy just to confirm I do not like Grey's Anatomy.
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  5. #7325
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You have to watch every series to the end to discover if you were "right" about not liking it?

    That's a lot of time wasted on things you don't like that you could have spent on things you do.
    But I like to know if I am right or no, so not totally a waste of time. And my life is so plentiful that I don't care "wasting time on things I do not like".

  6. #7326
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Transformers is marketed at an lcd audience lotr isn't which is the problem with the show runners they are choosing for these shows. They are much more suited to running stuff like survivor.
    Yeah but if you look at the numbers and how many people are actually watching the show, it's a similar lcd casual audience who may have watched the LOTR movies but never read the books or know anything about the 2nd Age.

    And it worked for Amazon. Even if the show is getting panned by critics and enthusiasts, the casuals are eating it up.

    It might not be House of the Dragon success, but few shows are so it'd not be worth comparing. Like, Andor is a way better show than Rings of Power, but it's got shit viewership sadly. Better shows don't always equal success.
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  7. #7327
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    It doesn't change any context. It is still One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them. Of course Sauron is related because he is the one who forged it and infused all his native power into it.



    Duh. It isn't a faithful adaptation so it isn't going to be 100% faithful to Tolkien canon. It is faithful to the Dwarven King when the rings were forged, Durin III, and the war of the last alliance, Durin IV. Since the show compresses the timeline into a few hundred years at most (or just a few years on the lower end) it makes sense to have Durin III and Durin IV around.
    Yes, it does. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is so terrible. The poem attributes Rings to Ringbearers. 3 for the elves, 7 for the dwarves, 9 for men, and one for the Dark Lord. The Lord of the Rings.

    You're correct that it isn't a faithful adaptation. But no, as I've explained, it makes no sense for them to share a screen since both are to be considered a reincarnation of the same dwarf. What happened here is that the writes looked up the lineage of Durin and failed to comprehend what the relation between the first dwarven kings was.

    And you can repeat the 'compressed timeline' argument all you like, that doesn't make it any better. It only proves that the writers have no clue how to build tension, other than vastly accelerating events. Because they need the elves to gaze in awe upon something, for the dramatic shot. So they simply print out three rings, that, even though they're not supposed to be touched by Sauron, were touched by him. Awesome job.

  8. #7328
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    But I like to know if I am right or no, so not totally a waste of time. And my life is so plentiful that I don't care "wasting time on things I do not like".
    Oh yeah.

    Totally not a waste of time to find out after twenty seasons of watching a show you hate that you were right to hate it from season 1.
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  9. #7329
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    And it worked for Amazon. Even if the show is getting panned by critics and enthusiasts, the casuals are eating it up.
    Did it? Not so sure. If the goal was just to get a show that is watched by many, sure. It did. I don't think amazon is happy with merely that, though. I'm pretty confident to say that they lost a huge amount of money on this project, as it stands. Because I doubt that the 25 million who watched the first episode subbed to prime to do so. And if critics and enthusiasts pan it, that might drive authors who want their works adapted away from prime.

  10. #7330
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Oh yeah.

    Totally not a waste of time to find out after twenty seasons of watching a show you hate that you were right to hate it from season 1.
    Curious, but shows I do not like usually do not get more than a second season.

  11. #7331
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Curious, but shows I do not like usually do not get more than a second season.
    Then you haven't watched it "to the end"
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  12. #7332
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Then you haven't watched it "to the end"
    That would be playing with words, but I am not surprised that you resort to that tactics.

  13. #7333
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    That would be playing with words, but I am not surprised that you resort to that tactics.
    I'm not "playing with words"...you are:

    I always go to the end of a movie/serie/game I do not like because I want to see if I am wrong til the end.
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  14. #7334
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I'm not "playing with words"...you are:
    So if a show get cancelled, I can't go to the "end"? Is that what you are saying ? If yes, how is that not playing with words ?

  15. #7335
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So if a show get cancelled, I can't go to the "end"? Is that what you are saying ? If yes, how is that not playing with words ?
    A series getting cancelled is "the end" of a series.

    EDIT: I see the misunderstanding here.

    You are saying that shows you do not like do not tend to be renewed after a second season

    I was reading that you do not continue to watch shows you do not like after a second season.

    I'll take the hit on this one, I misunderstood your statement.

    I still think it's a waste of time to even watch two seasons of a show I don't like. Especially since if a show does get canceled after the second season... it goes a long way to prove I was right not to waste my time with it.
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  16. #7336
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    No, I don't see any of this as debating at all. It's merely arguing, and in some cases, indirect insults and attacks.

    I mean, we're in MMO-C forums, let's not pretend we're having formal debates here. Especially if you're quoting my responses to Rhorle, lol. Have you actually read the response that you quoted? Probably not since you ended up calling this a debate lol.



    The Lord of the Rings referring to Sauron is not a theory, it is a fact. Alternative theories do not change the facts. I mean, anyone wants to push forth an alternate theory, by all means do so. It just doesn't change the fact there is a definitive answer already. It's not a debate, it's merely expressing an alternate theory for what's clearly answered.

    Look at my post of the Gandalf is a Fighter meme example above. Gandalf is definitively a wizard, and yet I'd still acknowledge theories like Gandalf is a Fighter because it's a funny meme. It doesn't mean presenting theories immediately equates to definitive facts being debateable, there are many different contexts to having theories, like as a funny meme.

    So you're right, there is no law against making theories that are ultimately wrong. People can present theories that are wrong if they wish. I didn't say people can't post alternative theories, I said there is one definitive answer. It wouldn't be a debate, just an argument in ignorance really. And sometimes it can be for the sake of entertainment, like making the argument that Gandalf is a Fighter.
    It’s an argument, not a debate?..

    Hmmmm someones getting a thesaurus for christmas ;D

  17. #7337
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    How can you form an opinion if you do not read/listen/watch everything you do not like ? Then you get to start to live in a bubble as you do apparently.
    As rhorle. He thinks he knows everything about the Wheel of Time series as well as Lord of the Rings without reading the books. Worse, he dismisses the reasons why they're popular in favor of his ignorant opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I don't need to watch it in order to find out what new horrible retcon has been done for the week
    Amusing how you didn't watch all of the show yet feel you can complain/talk about it. Yet when I said I didn't read all of Lord of the Rings you said I couldn't talk about it. Double standards when you hate, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    Yes, it does. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is so terrible. The poem attributes Rings to Ringbearers. 3 for the elves, 7 for the dwarves, 9 for men, and one for the Dark Lord. The Lord of the Rings.
    Right. And what is the poem referencing doing the ruling? The One Ring. What is the poem referencing that is doing the binding? The One Ring. They are not bound to Sauron but to the Ring.

    Durin III is alive when the rings are forged. Durin IV is alive for the War of the Last Alliance. The show is starting with the rings being forged and ending (season 5) with the War of the Last Alliance. What doesn't make sense about having both present on the show? It not following canon is not the same as not making sense. They compressed the time line and changed things to make it work. If they didn't have Durin IV it would be something you, or others, complain about it. If they didn't have Durin III it would be something you, or others, complain about. Because it removed a special lore figure from the show. Yet if they have both it is still complained about.

    The compressed timeline is not to build tension. It seems it needs to be talked about more since you don't understand why it exists. They compressed it so they could keep the same actors through out the whole series. If they didn't compress it then only Elven actors would be kept and human, dwarf, hobbit, etc would all have to be replaced. Also you seemed to have watched a different show because Sauron didn't touch the three rings. They were created on the show after Galadriel confronted him.
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  19. #7339
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Amusing how you didn't watch all of the show yet feel you can complain/talk about it. Yet when I said I didn't read all of Lord of the Rings you said I couldn't talk about it. Double standards when you hate, huh?

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    Right. And what is the poem referencing doing the ruling? The One Ring. What is the poem referencing that is doing the binding? The One Ring. They are not bound to Sauron but to the Ring.

    Durin III is alive when the rings are forged. Durin IV is alive for the War of the Last Alliance. The show is starting with the rings being forged and ending (season 5) with the War of the Last Alliance. What doesn't make sense about having both present on the show? It not following canon is not the same as not making sense. They compressed the time line and changed things to make it work. If they didn't have Durin IV it would be something you, or others, complain about it. If they didn't have Durin III it would be something you, or others, complain about. Because it removed a special lore figure from the show. Yet if they have both it is still complained about.

    The compressed timeline is not to build tension. It seems it needs to be talked about more since you don't understand why it exists. They compressed it so they could keep the same actors through out the whole series. If they didn't compress it then only Elven actors would be kept and human, dwarf, hobbit, etc would all have to be replaced. Also you seemed to have watched a different show because Sauron didn't touch the three rings. They were created on the show after Galadriel confronted him.
    I've already read the material it's very loosely based on not hard to read a summary and pick out the things that glaringly go against canon. You on the other hand haven't read the material and base your entire knowledge on wiki and loose adapts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Yeah but if you look at the numbers and how many people are actually watching the show, it's a similar lcd casual audience who may have watched the LOTR movies but never read the books or know anything about the 2nd Age.

    And it worked for Amazon. Even if the show is getting panned by critics and enthusiasts, the casuals are eating it up.

    It might not be House of the Dragon success, but few shows are so it'd not be worth comparing. Like, Andor is a way better show than Rings of Power, but it's got shit viewership sadly. Better shows don't always equal success.
    I honestly think Amazon is blowing smoke with their numbers just looking at the advertising stuff that gets sent out to prime members LoTR is at the very bottom of the blast below stuff like Licorice Pizza and WoT isn't even on it while a ton of older stuff is above the fold so to speak. Bosch Good Omens Man in High Castle all are much more prominently placed than LoTR even Dog is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I've already read the material it's very loosely based on not hard to read a summary and pick out the things that glaringly go against canon. You on the other hand haven't read the material and base your entire knowledge on wiki and loose adapts.
    Right. It is okay when you do it but not okay when others do it. A double standard. A wiki is the same as reading a summary for the show. Yet it is good when you do it and bad when I do it. Strange, right? Did you even watch any of the show or did you just read summaries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I honestly think Amazon is blowing smoke with their numbers just looking at the advertising stuff that gets sent out to prime members LoTR is at the very bottom of the blast below stuff like Licorice Pizza and WoT isn't even on it while a ton of older stuff is above the fold so to speak. Bosch Good Omens Man in High Castle all are much more prominently placed than LoTR even Dog is.
    So Amazon is lying about numbers because they are advertising shows to you that are not Lord of the Rings? Lmao. It is crazy that a person that didn't even watch, all or part of, the show is creating a conspiracy. If Amazon was lying would they have put RoP at number 2 in the US this week? As The Peripheral has reached the number 1 slot currently.

    Nielsen ratings, which Amazon doesn't control, also don't paint a bleak picture. As the 19-25 got 977 million minutes. I drop of 10 million from the last week. Episode 5 released part way through these numbers. But it is easier to believe it is all a lie just because you dislike the show, right?
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