Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Xath]

Yup! At the end of the day, if all of the people complaining about lore inaccuracies, etc, has no previously knowledge of tolkien lore, the only thing they would have to complain about is the slow story story progression and stale acting. So again, overall, decent show. 6/10. Will watch season 2.

Honest question why would you waste 8 hours of your life watching a show you admit is 6/10 and then plan to waste another 8 hours? There are so many better things to be doing and much better shows to watch.

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But so are you. Because that doesn't stop rights from being the issue as well. It just means they diverged for more than one reason and talked about the creative rather then what they were told they couldn't use by the estate. That is the point. We don't know because the rights issue is complicated not often talked about. They have also responded to other critique then diversity complaints. Stop using one thing to mean everything just because it is something you really dislike.





World building is not required to answer every single question you may have about a subject in order for it to be good. Again if we apply your critique to Tolkien's own work we find that a lot of his world building happened outside of his published work. He even was constantly changing his world including a desire to re-write all of The Hobbit for its tone and story to better fit Lord of the Rings.



To you. Again you keep making things about one issue only. There were authors of Tolkien's time that created terrible worlds just as there are ones of that great non-terrible ones now. There are likable characters in Rings of Power. They might not relate to you but then that shouldn't be a problem, right? Because fiction is designed to be written for more then just one person. Just like Tolkien doesn't have characters that are relatable to everyone. Which using that now for Rings of Power contradicts your earlier Fantasy claims. As to be relatable they have to reflect parts of the "modern world" in the actions of the characters, right? Yet when they try to make the "scam" more relatable you tear it apart for being made relatable. Strange, right?

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Hate for the sake of hate is dumb as dirt. It isn't about making sense but stoking that hate for a cause. Are you really that surprised a politician would be able to manipulate such things?

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Rings of Power has never said they couldn't write better because X was in the role. The only ones using casting as a shield are the ones like you that keep making certain aspects of casting as the reason why bad writing exists. While ignoring that the writing would be bad regardless of casting. You and others really expose your silly claims by what aspects you just can't let go even when you'll admit they don't matter at all if you like the show/film.

Can you stop lying about what I say? I did not blame casting for bad writing I said casting is used as a shield to deflect criticisms of bad writing by claiming all criticism of a show/movie is racist or sexist or any other ist. I have said the writing is dogshit you are the one who keeps trying to twist words.

You consistently make tiny snips and then only reply to those snips ignoring the entire context which was about the initial marketing of thor vs rings.

[VMSmith]

Now that both are finished with their first seasons I feel it's safe to say that House of the Dragon will likely win Emmy's and Rings of Power will not even be nominated for any ... unless they've created a Best Background Scenery Emmy.

[Syegfryed]

Now that both are finished with their first seasons I feel it's safe to say that House of the Dragon will likely win Emmy's and Rings of Power will not even be nominated for any ... unless they've created a Best Background Scenery Emmy.

They will prob be nominated if amazon pay well enough

[Kumorii]

They will prob be nominated if amazon pay well enough

that was my thought... they will probably get plenty of nominations at least.

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I can settle this debate for both parties. Rhorle the troll is wrong, like usual, but will defend his point with every tool available until you get tired of yelling an obtuse wall, get banned, or he changes the point for the 1000x to distract you from your original discussion. Any conversation with him is moot because you can't logical talk with him, he refutes ANYTHING that goes against his point, no matter how base in fact, lore, and the real world it is.

I don't understand why he keeps getting fed.

[Orange Joe]

Your own edit indicates that is a lie. Lmao.

The edit was shortly after he made the post. Long before you accused him of anything. Is he phsycic too?

[rhorle]

Can you stop lying about what I say? I did not blame casting for bad writing I said casting is used as a shield to deflect criticisms of bad writing by claiming all criticism of a show/movie is racist or sexist or any other ist. I have said the writing is dogshit you are the one who keeps trying to twist words.

I haven't twisted anything or lied. Casting hasn't been a shield for bad writing or to deflect criticism. The show has never claimed all criticism of the show is racist or sexist. The only one twisting things here is yourself who is trying apply things you've seen elsewhere to this show.

They have never used any casting as a shield for bad writing.

They very often do.

[OwenBurton]

British here, I've read the books years ago and think there are better now but realise why the books are held in such high acclaim.

I think it's ok, a five or six. It's not boring or anything but sometimes I find myself shaking my head at it, maybe once or twice an episode. Again I'm not that invested in lotr

I know some people that like it, some that dislike it.

That wasn't the most definitive statement I've ever written lol

From Germany I can tell you that I haven't met a single person who really likes the show. The same goes for my other european and beyond friends. Be them from Britain, Belgium, Sweden, Bulgaria... guess it really is just an american thing that they feel the need to defend it to the death.

Thank you, my friends, for your input. I don't get why so many people still think this new show was spectacular or groundbreakingly awesome, honestly. It had some interesting characters and points, but nothing that is above average for me at least. I mean, those of you who liked the show...what exactly about it that was so inspiring or engaging?

That being said, I do think the last episode was one of the better ones, and I actually somewhat enjoyed it, at least the Gandalf part. He reminded me of the old Gandalf, protecting the innocent and being a hero, banishing the darkness of our world by defending the weak. Everything else was...I don't know...I'm not sure what my general feelings are. I don't want to dismiss their efforts entirely, but the show's flaws should also not be glossed over.

[rhorle]

The nielsen numbers have 966 mins watched for 9/26 to 10/2. So with 6 episodes the show has dropped about 10 million mins which is the same as the last weekly period.

[jonnysensible]

finally spoke to some normie about this show (someone who i think read the hobbit but only watched the lotr movies and doesnt know what the Silmarillion is). And they said it was really good. This is who the show is for, someone i would describe as absolutely not online at all.

I thought it was better than house of the dragon but worse than wheel of time.

[Xath]

finally spoke to some normie about this show (someone who i think read the hobbit but only watched the lotr movies and doesnt know what the Silmarillion is). And they said it was really good. This is who the show is for, someone i would describe as absolutely not online at all.

I thought it was better than house of the dragon but worse than wheel of time.

Rafe of Time is by far the worst of the three. It's interesting how your order is literally the exact opposite of most people who actually read the source material.

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I haven't twisted anything or lied. Casting hasn't been a shield for bad writing or to deflect criticism. The show has never claimed all criticism of the show is racist or sexist. The only one twisting things here is yourself who is trying apply things you've seen elsewhere to this show.

Man you just can't stop lying. There have been multiple articles claiming criticism of the show is due to racism and or sexism.

[jonnysensible]

Rafe of Time is by far the worst of the three. It's interesting how your order is literally the exact opposite of most people who actually read the source material.

surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)

[rhorle]

Man you just can't stop lying. There have been multiple articles claiming criticism of the show is due to racism and or sexism.

Yet Amazon/show has never said all of the criticism is those things. If multiple articles are claiming that falsehood then it just shows the echo chamber you frequent rather then any truth.

[rogoth]

Yet Amazon/show has never said all of the criticism is those things. If multiple articles are claiming that falsehood then it just shows the echo chamber you frequent rather then any truth.

Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, they also paid other rag outlets a few weeks back to publish a fluff piece where the only criticisms coming from 'fans' were just 'racism and bigotry' while not providing ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, dunno about you but i'm starting to see a pattern forming here.

the fact you can't accept these FACTUAL EVENTS is extremely disturbing because it shows you're mentally incapable of rational thought.

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surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)

have you tried reading other stories from Tolkein?, if so what was it that you found unreadable?

Silmarillion requires higher levels of understanding of the English language in order to understand the philosophical points put forward in the overall book, especially the opening chapters, which is what makes it a harder read than most other books that exist, it does get easier if you're able to comprehend the opening text and can get through that, it's not as wordy in later chapters.

[Biomega]

Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, they also paid other rag outlets a few weeks back to publish a fluff piece where the only criticisms coming from 'fans' were just 'racism and bigotry' while not providing ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, dunno about you but i'm starting to see a pattern forming here.

the fact you can't accept these FACTUAL EVENTS is extremely disturbing because it shows you're mentally incapable of rational thought.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it funny that you, too, do not, you know, provide ANY EVIDENCE of these things, either There's a pattern forming here, alright, but it's definitely forming on more than one side of the debate.

[rogoth]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it funny that you, too, do not, you know, provide ANY EVIDENCE of these things, either There's a pattern forming here, alright, but it's definitely forming on more than one side of the debate.

the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls, and you can get fucked if you think i'm spending a penny on those trash rag access media sites to prove a point, if it's that big of an issue the individual can go and look it up for themselves (unlikely considering who it was i was replying to but one could hope), and even if i was willing to waste money i don't have on a frivolous subscription to unlock said content, it's mostly useless because nobody else would be able to see it, if you want 'evidence' then go watch the dozens of youtube videos about said articles from youtube creators with a few thousand subscribers up to creators bordering on millions of subscribers, the evidence is there, and i'm not here to argue the toss about this shit, because not only is the rhetoric abhorrent in nature, it is factually untrue and is yet another failed attempt by Amazon and the bottom dwelling cunts sucking on that engorged Amazon phallus for their precious 'access' to spin the narrative they want to spin and completely avoiding reality by deflecting.

[Biomega]

the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls, and you can get fucked if you think i'm spending a penny on those trash rag access media sites to prove a point, if it's that big of an issue the individual can go and look it up for themselves (unlikely considering who it was i was replying to but one could hope), and even if i was willing to waste money i don't have on a frivolous subscription to unlock said content, it's mostly useless because nobody else would be able to see it, if you want 'evidence' then go watch the dozens of youtube videos about said articles from youtube creators with a few thousand subscribers up to creators bordering on millions of subscribers, the evidence is there, and i'm not here to argue the toss about this shit, because not only is the rhetoric abhorrent in nature, it is factually untrue and is yet another failed attempt by Amazon and the bottom dwelling cunts sucking on that engorged Amazon phallus for their precious 'access' to spin the narrative they want to spin and completely avoiding reality by deflecting.

This is what I mean lol.

"These fuckers aren't presenting any evidence!!!!!! ...but I don't have to present evidence, because fuck that, if you want to find it, it's out there."

You could well be right about your points. We'll never know, because all you can do is yell angrily, accusing people of doing what you yourself practice.

That's how we get into these hare-brained debates, really. There are valid points buried in all of this, somewhere, but damn it's hard to dig through all the dreck rhetoric to find them.

[rhorle]

Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims

Have you been living under a rock? How could you not see the various attacks over those things? Amazon doesn't need to provide proof when YouTube, social media, and even this very thread indicate it is a thing. They have never once claimed that the only criticism from fans was about diversity. The only thing they have called patently evil is the remarks about diversity. Even the Hollywood Reporter "fluff piece" as you call it writes that they are not blaming all criticism on one topic. The only one not accepting factual events here is yourself.

"Criticism they can handle, and they’ve heard it all. Everything fans have debated, they say, they likewise argued among the creative team. They readily admit, for instance, that some of the first-season episodes lack the urgency fans expect from Tolkien adaptations."-- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...-2-1235233124/[/I]

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the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls

The Hollywood Reporter article that uses patently evil is not locked behind a paywall. It shows the context isn't all criticism against the show. Listening only to Youtubers that feed an echo chamber based on algorithms isn't proof of anything. There has even been a website, boundingintocomics, that has been pushing lies about the show for years now.

[Xath]

surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)

Not really that surprising. Wheel is an entirely defined book series. Both House and Rings are based on content that hasn't been fully fleshed out. Despite this Wheel is very arguably the most radical departure from the source material with massive massive changes and tons of random trash added that flat out never occurred in the books. So if you actually like the source material Wheel is by far the most egregious outlier in terms of a show runners ego running wild. Rings is second since it ignores a significant chunk of the few defined things about the second age but there was never a completely set out story of the second age. House was made with input from Martin how much is unsure but it was a lot more than the none given to obviously dead authors.

[rogoth]

This is what I mean lol.

"These fuckers aren't presenting any evidence!!!!!! ...but I don't have to present evidence, because fuck that, if you want to find it, it's out there."

You could well be right about your points. We'll never know, because all you can do is yell angrily, accusing people of doing what you yourself practice.

That's how we get into these hare-brained debates, really. There are valid points buried in all of this, somewhere, but damn it's hard to dig through all the dreck rhetoric to find them.

the following video is a fluff piece that shows 0 evidence of the claims they tried to make:





















all of these videos are the first ones that show up when i typed into youtube 'rings of power racism'

there were dozens more videos i could link regarding the topic, and many of these linked talk directly about the articles i stated in my previous response, and like i said, i'm not paying a subscription to view content i have no interest in, just to prove a point, if you're willing to pay it for me then that's another story, but right now i don't have the money to waste on such bullshit detritus.

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Have you been living under a rock? How could you not see the various attacks over those things? Amazon doesn't need to provide proof when YouTube, social media, and even this very thread indicate it is a thing. They have never once claimed that the only criticism from fans was about diversity. The only thing they have called patently evil is the remarks about diversity. Even the Hollywood Reporter "fluff piece" as you call it writes that they are not blaming all criticism on one topic. The only one not accepting factual events here is yourself.

"Criticism they can handle, and they’ve heard it all. Everything fans have debated, they say, they likewise argued among the creative team. They readily admit, for instance, that some of the first-season episodes lack the urgency fans expect from Tolkien adaptations."-- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...-2-1235233124/[/I]

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The Hollywood Reporter article that uses patently evil is not locked behind a paywall. It shows the context isn't all criticism against the show. Listening only to Youtubers that feed an echo chamber based on algorithms isn't proof of anything. There has even been a website, boundingintocomics, that has been pushing lies about the show for years now.

yes, it is, i'm not able to view the page without buying a premium subscription when i load up the article link, so try again, same goes for the insider magazine page, it's telling me i must pay for a subscription to view the related media, otherwise all i get is a white popup box directing me to their subscription pay portal or the FAQ page, but i guess you never thought about the fact that different regions of the world have different usage rights did you?, still living in your pathetic american bubble i see.

it calls all 'fans' patently evil, if that's not universally calling everyone the same thing and blanketing everyone under the same banner then i dunno what is.

and now you're trying to justify things with a pathetic interview with these clowns masquerading as showrunners saying they debated the same topics that 'fans' have been debating for months and they purposely and knowingly made the same terrible decisions they did anyway regardless? how is that kind of negligence even allowed?

[MCMLXXXII]

The article is perfectly readable to me and I'm not in the US. Just using my phone's standard browser.

The videos you've posted is a perfect example how algorithms work because when I type in those words, none of those videos show up.