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    Now that both are finished with their first seasons I feel it's safe to say that House of the Dragon will likely win Emmy's and Rings of Power will not even be nominated for any ... unless they've created a Best Background Scenery Emmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    Now that both are finished with their first seasons I feel it's safe to say that House of the Dragon will likely win Emmy's and Rings of Power will not even be nominated for any ... unless they've created a Best Background Scenery Emmy.
    They will prob be nominated if amazon pay well enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    They will prob be nominated if amazon pay well enough
    that was my thought... they will probably get plenty of nominations at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Your own edit indicates that is a lie. Lmao.
    The edit was shortly after he made the post. Long before you accused him of anything. Is he phsycic too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Can you stop lying about what I say? I did not blame casting for bad writing I said casting is used as a shield to deflect criticisms of bad writing by claiming all criticism of a show/movie is racist or sexist or any other ist. I have said the writing is dogshit you are the one who keeps trying to twist words.
    I haven't twisted anything or lied. Casting hasn't been a shield for bad writing or to deflect criticism. The show has never claimed all criticism of the show is racist or sexist. The only one twisting things here is yourself who is trying apply things you've seen elsewhere to this show.

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    They have never used any casting as a shield for bad writing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    They very often do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molliewoof View Post
    British here, I've read the books years ago and think there are better now but realise why the books are held in such high acclaim.

    I think it's ok, a five or six. It's not boring or anything but sometimes I find myself shaking my head at it, maybe once or twice an episode. Again I'm not that invested in lotr

    I know some people that like it, some that dislike it.

    That wasn't the most definitive statement I've ever written lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    From Germany I can tell you that I haven't met a single person who really likes the show. The same goes for my other european and beyond friends. Be them from Britain, Belgium, Sweden, Bulgaria... guess it really is just an american thing that they feel the need to defend it to the death.
    Thank you, my friends, for your input. I don't get why so many people still think this new show was spectacular or groundbreakingly awesome, honestly. It had some interesting characters and points, but nothing that is above average for me at least. I mean, those of you who liked the show...what exactly about it that was so inspiring or engaging?

    That being said, I do think the last episode was one of the better ones, and I actually somewhat enjoyed it, at least the Gandalf part. He reminded me of the old Gandalf, protecting the innocent and being a hero, banishing the darkness of our world by defending the weak. Everything else was...I don't know...I'm not sure what my general feelings are. I don't want to dismiss their efforts entirely, but the show's flaws should also not be glossed over.
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    The nielsen numbers have 966 mins watched for 9/26 to 10/2. So with 6 episodes the show has dropped about 10 million mins which is the same as the last weekly period.
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    finally spoke to some normie about this show (someone who i think read the hobbit but only watched the lotr movies and doesnt know what the Silmarillion is). And they said it was really good. This is who the show is for, someone i would describe as absolutely not online at all.

    I thought it was better than house of the dragon but worse than wheel of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    finally spoke to some normie about this show (someone who i think read the hobbit but only watched the lotr movies and doesnt know what the Silmarillion is). And they said it was really good. This is who the show is for, someone i would describe as absolutely not online at all.

    I thought it was better than house of the dragon but worse than wheel of time.
    Rafe of Time is by far the worst of the three. It's interesting how your order is literally the exact opposite of most people who actually read the source material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    I haven't twisted anything or lied. Casting hasn't been a shield for bad writing or to deflect criticism. The show has never claimed all criticism of the show is racist or sexist. The only one twisting things here is yourself who is trying apply things you've seen elsewhere to this show.
    Man you just can't stop lying. There have been multiple articles claiming criticism of the show is due to racism and or sexism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Rafe of Time is by far the worst of the three. It's interesting how your order is literally the exact opposite of most people who actually read the source material.
    surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Man you just can't stop lying. There have been multiple articles claiming criticism of the show is due to racism and or sexism.
    Yet Amazon/show has never said all of the criticism is those things. If multiple articles are claiming that falsehood then it just shows the echo chamber you frequent rather then any truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Yet Amazon/show has never said all of the criticism is those things. If multiple articles are claiming that falsehood then it just shows the echo chamber you frequent rather then any truth.
    Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, they also paid other rag outlets a few weeks back to publish a fluff piece where the only criticisms coming from 'fans' were just 'racism and bigotry' while not providing ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, dunno about you but i'm starting to see a pattern forming here.

    the fact you can't accept these FACTUAL EVENTS is extremely disturbing because it shows you're mentally incapable of rational thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)
    have you tried reading other stories from Tolkein?, if so what was it that you found unreadable?

    Silmarillion requires higher levels of understanding of the English language in order to understand the philosophical points put forward in the overall book, especially the opening chapters, which is what makes it a harder read than most other books that exist, it does get easier if you're able to comprehend the opening text and can get through that, it's not as wordy in later chapters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, they also paid other rag outlets a few weeks back to publish a fluff piece where the only criticisms coming from 'fans' were just 'racism and bigotry' while not providing ANY EVIDENCE of said claims, dunno about you but i'm starting to see a pattern forming here.

    the fact you can't accept these FACTUAL EVENTS is extremely disturbing because it shows you're mentally incapable of rational thought.
    I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it funny that you, too, do not, you know, provide ANY EVIDENCE of these things, either There's a pattern forming here, alright, but it's definitely forming on more than one side of the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it funny that you, too, do not, you know, provide ANY EVIDENCE of these things, either There's a pattern forming here, alright, but it's definitely forming on more than one side of the debate.
    the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls, and you can get fucked if you think i'm spending a penny on those trash rag access media sites to prove a point, if it's that big of an issue the individual can go and look it up for themselves (unlikely considering who it was i was replying to but one could hope), and even if i was willing to waste money i don't have on a frivolous subscription to unlock said content, it's mostly useless because nobody else would be able to see it, if you want 'evidence' then go watch the dozens of youtube videos about said articles from youtube creators with a few thousand subscribers up to creators bordering on millions of subscribers, the evidence is there, and i'm not here to argue the toss about this shit, because not only is the rhetoric abhorrent in nature, it is factually untrue and is yet another failed attempt by Amazon and the bottom dwelling cunts sucking on that engorged Amazon phallus for their precious 'access' to spin the narrative they want to spin and completely avoiding reality by deflecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls, and you can get fucked if you think i'm spending a penny on those trash rag access media sites to prove a point, if it's that big of an issue the individual can go and look it up for themselves (unlikely considering who it was i was replying to but one could hope), and even if i was willing to waste money i don't have on a frivolous subscription to unlock said content, it's mostly useless because nobody else would be able to see it, if you want 'evidence' then go watch the dozens of youtube videos about said articles from youtube creators with a few thousand subscribers up to creators bordering on millions of subscribers, the evidence is there, and i'm not here to argue the toss about this shit, because not only is the rhetoric abhorrent in nature, it is factually untrue and is yet another failed attempt by Amazon and the bottom dwelling cunts sucking on that engorged Amazon phallus for their precious 'access' to spin the narrative they want to spin and completely avoiding reality by deflecting.
    This is what I mean lol.

    "These fuckers aren't presenting any evidence!!!!!! ...but I don't have to present evidence, because fuck that, if you want to find it, it's out there."

    You could well be right about your points. We'll never know, because all you can do is yell angrily, accusing people of doing what you yourself practice.

    That's how we get into these hare-brained debates, really. There are valid points buried in all of this, somewhere, but damn it's hard to dig through all the dreck rhetoric to find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    Amazon paid the hollywood reporter for a fluff piece where they lambasted 'fans' for 'patently evil' remarks about people of colour, while being unable to provide ANY EVIDENCE of said claims
    Have you been living under a rock? How could you not see the various attacks over those things? Amazon doesn't need to provide proof when YouTube, social media, and even this very thread indicate it is a thing. They have never once claimed that the only criticism from fans was about diversity. The only thing they have called patently evil is the remarks about diversity. Even the Hollywood Reporter "fluff piece" as you call it writes that they are not blaming all criticism on one topic. The only one not accepting factual events here is yourself.

    "Criticism they can handle, and they’ve heard it all. Everything fans have debated, they say, they likewise argued among the creative team. They readily admit, for instance, that some of the first-season episodes lack the urgency fans expect from Tolkien adaptations."-- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...-2-1235233124/[/I]

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    the reason for that is because those articles on both the hollywood reporter website and the insider magazine website are all locked behind paywalls
    The Hollywood Reporter article that uses patently evil is not locked behind a paywall. It shows the context isn't all criticism against the show. Listening only to Youtubers that feed an echo chamber based on algorithms isn't proof of anything. There has even been a website, boundingintocomics, that has been pushing lies about the show for years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    surprising to me because i didnt like the wheel of time books, didnt much like game of thrones and really like hobbit/lotr (but basically everything else by Tolkien is unreadable, Silmarillion is truly bad)
    Not really that surprising. Wheel is an entirely defined book series. Both House and Rings are based on content that hasn't been fully fleshed out. Despite this Wheel is very arguably the most radical departure from the source material with massive massive changes and tons of random trash added that flat out never occurred in the books. So if you actually like the source material Wheel is by far the most egregious outlier in terms of a show runners ego running wild. Rings is second since it ignores a significant chunk of the few defined things about the second age but there was never a completely set out story of the second age. House was made with input from Martin how much is unsure but it was a lot more than the none given to obviously dead authors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    This is what I mean lol.

    "These fuckers aren't presenting any evidence!!!!!! ...but I don't have to present evidence, because fuck that, if you want to find it, it's out there."

    You could well be right about your points. We'll never know, because all you can do is yell angrily, accusing people of doing what you yourself practice.

    That's how we get into these hare-brained debates, really. There are valid points buried in all of this, somewhere, but damn it's hard to dig through all the dreck rhetoric to find them.






    the following video is a fluff piece that shows 0 evidence of the claims they tried to make:





















    all of these videos are the first ones that show up when i typed into youtube 'rings of power racism'

    there were dozens more videos i could link regarding the topic, and many of these linked talk directly about the articles i stated in my previous response, and like i said, i'm not paying a subscription to view content i have no interest in, just to prove a point, if you're willing to pay it for me then that's another story, but right now i don't have the money to waste on such bullshit detritus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Have you been living under a rock? How could you not see the various attacks over those things? Amazon doesn't need to provide proof when YouTube, social media, and even this very thread indicate it is a thing. They have never once claimed that the only criticism from fans was about diversity. The only thing they have called patently evil is the remarks about diversity. Even the Hollywood Reporter "fluff piece" as you call it writes that they are not blaming all criticism on one topic. The only one not accepting factual events here is yourself.

    "Criticism they can handle, and they’ve heard it all. Everything fans have debated, they say, they likewise argued among the creative team. They readily admit, for instance, that some of the first-season episodes lack the urgency fans expect from Tolkien adaptations."-- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...-2-1235233124/[/I]

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    The Hollywood Reporter article that uses patently evil is not locked behind a paywall. It shows the context isn't all criticism against the show. Listening only to Youtubers that feed an echo chamber based on algorithms isn't proof of anything. There has even been a website, boundingintocomics, that has been pushing lies about the show for years now.
    yes, it is, i'm not able to view the page without buying a premium subscription when i load up the article link, so try again, same goes for the insider magazine page, it's telling me i must pay for a subscription to view the related media, otherwise all i get is a white popup box directing me to their subscription pay portal or the FAQ page, but i guess you never thought about the fact that different regions of the world have different usage rights did you?, still living in your pathetic american bubble i see.

    it calls all 'fans' patently evil, if that's not universally calling everyone the same thing and blanketing everyone under the same banner then i dunno what is.

    and now you're trying to justify things with a pathetic interview with these clowns masquerading as showrunners saying they debated the same topics that 'fans' have been debating for months and they purposely and knowingly made the same terrible decisions they did anyway regardless? how is that kind of negligence even allowed?
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    The article is perfectly readable to me and I'm not in the US. Just using my phone's standard browser.

    The videos you've posted is a perfect example how algorithms work because when I type in those words, none of those videos show up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post

    all of these videos are the first ones that show up when i typed into youtube 'rings of power racism'
    You don't think anyone is surprised that this the sort of garabage youtube thinks you want to watch, given the sort of garbage you regurgitate all over the thread. Do you?

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