Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Lorgar Aurelian]

i mean anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen this coming a mile away, a duo who have for a decade or more had their ideas and scripts turned down by EVERYONE in hollywood, a duo who's only claim to fame is that they are acolytes to jj abrams (not a compliment), and their only 'legitimate' writing credit was an 'uncredited' role on the writing team behind a reboot of star trek: into darkness movie (again not a compliment), so anybody who expected this to be anything less than a dumpster fire was being delusional.

According to this list they had writers with experience from the Sopranos, breaking bad, better call Saul, stranger things, starwars resistance, toy story4 among other shows, seems like a pretty good range of experience.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/fullcredits/writer

[Orby]

According to this list they had writers with experience from the Sopranos, breaking bad, better call Saul, stranger things, starwars resistance, toy story4 among other shows, seems like a pretty good range of experience.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/fullcredits/writer

wow if that's the experience the writers had and the show was still as bad as it was, then something went very wrong. Probably an upper management decision.

[Kumorii]

wow if that's the experience the writers had and the show was still as bad as it was, then something went very wrong. Probably an upper management decision.

McKay and Payne are the ones making the stories and how things should play out. Writers of specific episodes are taking their writing and write what they want to happen into a script.
They are given the plot points and major interactions.
Then McKay and Payne and maybe even Webber have the last say in reviews of the episodes.

Nothing comes to screen without their involvement.

It's like being a graphic designer having to design a shit logo because the client wants it a certain way.
Then trying to use the artists reputation as to say, well they are good so this logo must've been good, is just disingenuous.

Being a good writer you might be able to salvage things, but if the basic plot is garbage not much can be done. Especially if the client is also set in stone on how it's supposed to be.

Could also be that experienced people sometimes make duds.

EDIT:
Now that I think about it, there's so many influences on the way to the final picture.
Creator - Writer - Screenplay - Director - Editor

Through all these parts, the client (often the creator) are the ones with the last say.

[Orby]

McKay and Payne are the ones making the stories and how things should play out. Writers of specific episodes are taking their writing and write what they want to happen into a script.
They are given the plot points and major interactions.
Then McKay and Payne and maybe even Webber have the last say in reviews of the episodes.

Nothing comes to screen without their involvement.

It's like being a graphic designer having to design a shit logo because the client wants it a certain way.
Then trying to use the artists reputation as to say, well they are good so this logo must've been good, is just disingenuous.

Being a good writer you might be able to salvage things, but if the basic plot is garbage not much can be done. Especially if the client is also set in stone on how it's supposed to be.

Yea I know, its like comic book writers or video game writers, most of the time they are told what to write, whether it through editors or head writers or senior writers or screen writers. So its usually a more filtered idea, I hate the writing process in media. Its a job I'd hate to have. Basically being told what to write instead of actually writing freely. Then again thats their job and I am sure its a job they are used to.

You really need to be organised to make all those writing positions connect.

[Kumorii]

Yea I know, its like comic book writers or video game writers, most of the time they are told what to write, whether it through editors or head writers or senior writers or screen writers. So its usually a more filtered idea, I hate the writing process in media. Its a job I'd hate to have. Basically being told what to write instead of actually writing freely. Then again thats their job and I am sure its a job they are used to.

You really need to be organised to make all those writing positions connect.

I think in general all those positions do influence the end product if the client lets them.
The reason WHY they exist as specialized positions is just for that expertise in those areas.

So to me, having reputable writers on the show and it still turned out as it did... just speaks volumes against McKay, Payne and Webber tbh.

Sad really, the show had great potential...destroyed by management :/

[Syegfryed]

McKay and Payne are the ones making the stories and how things should play out. Writers of specific episodes are taking their writing and write what they want to happen into a script.
They are given the plot points and major interactions.
Then McKay and Payne and maybe even Webber have the last say in reviews of the episodes.

We also need to look in WHAT they did write for those shows, what part did they have with it, how much did they write themselves, etc etc, then compare here. For all we know their finger in those shows could be small or the episodes credit to then were not that good either.

Either way, the true writers for the story are Mcyay and Payne, they did this garbage, the writers can't make gold from shit

[rogoth]

According to this list they had writers with experience from the Sopranos, breaking bad, better call Saul, stranger things, starwars resistance, toy story4 among other shows, seems like a pretty good range of experience.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/fullcredits/writer

just because the 'writers room' is full of previously successful writers from many different and varied projects means jackshit when the people in charge are 2 of the most unqualified muppets that could have been picked for their role, and it was their story that these acclaimed writers were forced to tell, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the individual writers themselves, they were forced to write what was given to them and the clowfiesta who were put in charge of this project got the final say on everything, and it's self evident now that the entire mess of a show is released, and like i said, this was prophesied long before the release of the show, and thanks to almost a decade of past experience dealing with these kinds of clowns who think they are bigger than the work they put out, it could be seen a mile away just how much of a trainwreck this was gonna be and lo it was to be, also, have you noticed all the people in this thread that were all 'it's not even out yet just wait it's probably gonna be good' have not posted since the show aired and have stayed silent because everything that was said about this mess of a show prior to its release has come to pass, not a single thing that was predicted to happen has failed to not happen, and that's all down to the 3 clowns at the head of the project who as i have said are severely unqualified for the job and should never have been within a million miles of this project but here we are.

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We also need to look in WHAT they did write for those shows, what part did they have with it, how much did they write themselves, etc etc, then compare here. For all we know their finger in those shows could be small or the episodes credit to then were not that good either.

Either way, the true writers for the story are Mcyay and Payne, they did this garbage, the writers can't make gold from shit

THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!, and yet there's plenty of people in this thread who have and continue to defend this heap that think it's the best thing since sliced bread, so clearly they believe if you polish a turd long enough it'll turn into gold lol.

[Varodoc]

It's actually tragic how Aemond Targaryen from Westeros looks more like a Middle Earth elf than... you know... the creatures from this show:

[downnola]

It's actually tragic how Aemond Targaryen from Westeros looks more like a Middle Earth elf than... you know... the creatures from this show:

Short, pencil-thin males with eye patches is exactly how Tolkien described Middle Earth elves, you're right!

[Syegfryed]

Short, pencil-thin males with eye patches is exactly how Tolkien described Middle Earth elves, you're right!

Lets not pretend the ones in ring of power are like Tolkien described either, with midget Galadriel and old fart Celebrimbor.

But If you take the eyepatch, he is close to the elves of middle earth than the rings of power

[Varodoc]

Short, pencil-thin males with eye patches is exactly how Tolkien described Middle Earth elves, you're right!

Latinos with buzz cut, filthy face, and ragged clothes is exactly how Tolkien described elves?

Also, I assume you have never seen HOTD because in no way is Aemond "short" and "pencil-thin". It should be pretty easy to tell from that pic I posted.

[downnola]

Latinos with buzz cut, filthy face, and ragged clothes is exactly how Tolkien described elves?

Also, I assume you have never seen HOTD because in no way is Aemond "short" and "pencil-thin". It should be pretty easy to tell from that pic I posted.

It's hilarious how obsessed you people are with skin tone. There hasn't been a new episode in weeks and here you lot are still crying a river over a dark skinned elf.

Aemound is probably 510-5'11 in that series. Elves as described by Tolkien tower over men of Middle Earth. They're also described as being incredibly beautiful and have more variety in hair color than silver. But I guess if the Jackson films are your gold standard for all things Tolkien, then sure guy, he looks just like an elf

[Syegfryed]

Aemound is probably 510-5'11 in that series. Elves as described by Tolkien tower over men of Middle Earth. They're also described as being incredibly beautiful and have more variety in hair color than silver. But I guess if the Jackson films are your gold standard for all things Tolkien, then sure guy, he looks just like an elf

He is close to 1,77m though, that isn't too short, besides, long hair is more tolkien-ish than a buzzcut with a perfect shade like you did the same morning.

[downnola]

He is close to 1,77m though, that isn't too short, besides, long hair is more tolkien-ish than a buzzcut with a perfect shade like you did the same morning.

Any height below 6 ft is not tall, sorry. And most of what ya'll consider "tolkien-ish" is just headcanon or based on Jackson's films. Tolkien didn't obsess over the trivial shit you guys are bitching about or he wouldn't have been vague in most of his descriptions of these characters. His attention to detail is found in the languages, names, middle-earth itself, and its history. Excuse the cliche, but this is a perfect example of missing the forest for the trees.

[jonnysensible]

He is close to 1,77m though, that isn't too short,

he'd be fine being cast as a hobbit or dwarf

[Syegfryed]

Any height below 6 ft is not tall, sorry. And most of what ya'll consider "tolkien-ish" is just headcanon or based on Jackson's films. Tolkien didn't obsess over the trivial shit you guys are bitching about or he wouldn't have been vague in most of his descriptions of these characters. His attention to detail is found in the languages, names, middle-earth itself, and its history. Excuse the cliche, but this is a perfect example of missing the forest for the trees.

I just said He is not too short, a bit taller than average.

Peter jackson elves are closer to what tolkien described than the elves in rings of power, regardless of how much you nitpick then while ignoring the awful takes on the show.

You are talking like Arondir is the only problem here buddy, the whole forest is a problem, there is honestly not a single elf that look like an elf in rings of power, and yes, the Targeryans look more like tolkien elves, i think even George said once the targeryans are his version of elves.

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he'd be fine being cast as a hobbit or dwarf

If Celebrimbor got an elf, he would be just the best elf

[Koriani]

So would you say the books are important when there's a show written based on them, or is that totally irrelevant?

I think you basically belong in a different thread from the rest of us. Not having read the books means you have a totally different, and to me uninteresting, perspective.

huh...330 pages and you're the first person to try and make this a reason to gatekeep the forum discussion. How silly.

No, they don't belong in a different thread. In fact, this thread is ABOUT THE TV SHOW - so actually you're interest in book-centric discussion would be what would need to be taken to another thread - IF anyone but you were actually saying that.

But no one else is saying that. So both of you can keep going! (if you feel you must ha)

[Raisei]

huh...330 pages and you're the first person to try and make this a reason to gatekeep the forum discussion. How silly.

No, they don't belong in a different thread. In fact, this thread is ABOUT THE TV SHOW - so actually you're interest in book-centric discussion would be what would need to be taken to another thread - IF anyone but you were actually saying that.

But no one else is saying that. So both of you can keep going! (if you feel you must ha)

I would add to that with saying that reading the books is not even needed to realize how terrible the show is. It helps in understanding the "liberties" that the showrunners took with the lore, but that is only one piece of the mudcake we got.

When I was lately asked what I liked about the show I was actually silent for several seconds, because there is so little good about it, I had to think hard to find something. Especially in a comparison with House of the Dragon, a show that oozes quality in nearly every aspect, Rings appears even worse. You would not believe which of these shows had the higher budget...

[InfiniteCharger]

Again, I never said he resigned around the Amazon announcement. I said it was announced or made public around that time. Hence why the article you linked to has a November date rather than an August date. Did you look at the date of the article you linked? It even has a November date in the link.

https://www.theonering.net/torwp/201...olkien-estate/

Like I said, I posted all these details long before in this thread so you aren't explaining anything I already didn't know. The point was you tried to misrepresent the fact that the announcement came right around the same time as the Amazon series was announced as meaning he was "around", as in supporting and promoting this series, when you have no way of knowing that. It goes against everything he has stood for in the past and gives much more support to the opinion that he resigned and others moved forward with this concept to make money.

[rhorle]

Like I said, I posted all these details long before in this thread so you aren't explaining anything I already didn't know. The point was you tried to misrepresent the fact that the announcement came right around the same time as the Amazon series was announced as meaning he was "around"

No. I said it was announced around the same time as the show and that he resigned in August. I had a separate source that stated he was involved with the deal and it was signed prior to his resignation. You keep ignoring what is posted in order to not admit you were wrong. I haven't misrepresented any of the facts.