Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Lorgar Aurelian]

so yes you are being dishonest

Do you not think this is a bit ironic when you pointed to the boys releasing info multiple times but won’t respond to him asking for any sort of evidence multiple times?

[Triceron]

Do you not think this is a bit ironic when you pointed to the boys releasing info multiple times but won’t respond to him asking for any sort of evidence multiple times?

It's not worth my time to dig back 5+ years through articles for. And you haven't been arguing with Rhorle much, so I don't expect you to understand why providing sources for him is a waste of time.

[Rageonit]

It's not worth my time. You haven't been arguing with Rhorle much, so I don't expect you to understand why providing sources for him is a waste of time.

Then don't argue with him, because, if what you say is true, you make yourself look stupid.

[rhorle]

It's not worth my time to dig back 5+ years through articles for.

The Boys season 1 was 3 years ago in 2019.

[Triceron]

Then don't argue with him, because, if what you say is true, you make yourself look stupid.

C'mon man, practically half the pages of this entire thread are dedicated to my arguments with Rhorle, and you think that arguing him NOW will make me look stupid? I think that's a judgement people would have already made regardless of what I do moving forward, and this changes nothing.

Who are we kidding here? You think people think all that highly of anyone else here? The threshold for mutual respect here is quite low. If any of us are actually looking for deep conversation, we wouldn't be looking in the MMO-C off-topic threads for it.

[Rageonit]

C'mon man, practically half the pages of this entire thread are dedicated to my arguments with Rhorle, and you think that arguing him NOW will make me look stupid? I think that's a judgement people would have already made regardless of what I do moving forward, and this changes nothing.

I mean, yeah, the back and forth started to border on stupid long time ago - but if you choose to continue it, either do it in good faith and provide proof when he asks for one, or shut up. That's my take on it. You thinking low of him doesn't exempt you from the rules of a honest conversation, sorry.

[Triceron]

I mean, yeah, the back and forth started to border on stupid long time ago - but if you choose to continue it, either do it in good faith and provide proof when he asks for one, or shut up. That's my take on it. You thinking low of him doesn't exempt you from the rules of a honest conversation, sorry.

Who said I was having an honest conversation?

I mean, If I casually dropped a "Tolkien would roll in his grave", he'd reply asking me to provide a source for that. I'm not sure it'd need to be provided in good faith either. And I'm not opposed to slinging mud when it gets down to it. If I were really looking for better conversation I wouldn't even be here.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's not worth my time to dig back 5+ years through articles for. And you haven't been arguing with Rhorle much, so I don't expect you to understand why providing sources for him is a waste of time.

I mean that rather compounds the point that your the one being dishonest because of last experience with Rhorle.

[Rageonit]

Who said I was having an honest conversation?

That's exactly what's being pointed out, ain't it.

[rhorle]

Then I'm sure you can find the information you need.

I have already told you that I can't find anything that fits what you've claimed. Hence why I asked you to provide a link several times. You seem so adamant about something while being unable to to provide anything to back it up.

[Triceron]

I mean that rather compounds the point that your the one being disgust because of last experience with Rhorle.

Yes, I am quite disgusted by that last experience. I'll absolutely admit to that.

If he can't google something that is easily google-able, then that's really not my problem. I'm not humoring him because whatever links I post would be ammunition for him to take on a tangent, or to dismiss for some other arbitrary reasoning that has nothing to do with the context of the original statements. I'm sure you would already know from all the times you've argued and provided links for him. Oh wait.

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since you meant dishonest, I'll just refer to you to my reply to Rageonit below, since it would just as much explain my reasoning to do so, including his own response which confirms exactly what I predicted would happen.

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That's exactly what's being pointed out, ain't it.

Yep, that it is. Now has that changed your opinion of me to looking stupid as though you ever thought it I didn't already look stupid? Probably not either.

[Rageonit]

Yep, that it is. Now has that changed your opinion of me to looking stupid as though you ever thought it I didn't already look stupid? Probably not either.

Stupid and dishonest are two different things. You can't do much about the former, so that's more easily forgivable. As for the latter, it suggests that you're not a nice person to talk with.

[AcidicSyn]

C'mon man, practically half the pages of this entire thread are dedicated to my arguments with Rhorle, and you think that arguing him NOW will make me look stupid? I think that's a judgement people would have already made regardless of what I do moving forward, and this changes nothing.

Who are we kidding here? You think people think all that highly of anyone else here? The threshold for mutual respect here is quite low. If any of us are actually looking for deep conversation, we wouldn't be looking in the MMO-C off-topic threads for it.

Hey I think well of several posters here, yourself among them. Auculd to name another. Endus too. I don't always agree with what they say, but I have some level of respect for any mmo-c poster who can consistently debate with other posters without devolving into foaming at the mouth and screeching.

[bledgor]

Are people really defending the troll bot? Like seriously half the thread is him making asinine idiotic comments that have no basis in reality. Find a better hill (in this case he would be the Mariana trench) to die on.

[Triceron]

Stupid and dishonest are two different things. You can't do much about the former, so that's more easily forgivable. As for the latter, it suggests that you're not a nice person to talk with.

Well, it's easy to find the Boys' season 1 Amazon statements post-finale release, considering they launched the entire full season in one go.

https://theplaylist.net/amazon-boys-...ings-20190809/

Recently, the Head of Amazon Studios, Jennifer Salke, revealed that “The Boys” is greatly surpassing expectations and the company couldn’t be happier.

“We are thrilled that ‘The Boys’ has surpassed our predictions for viewing in its first two weeks, and has become one of our most-watched Amazon Original series by our Prime Video customers,” she revealed

And that's from a simple google search. So no, its not about whether it's easy to find or not, whether I'm trying to be dishonest or not. It's about the principle of why I wouldn't bother.

I know that if I honor his request, it becomes fuel for him to take the discussion tangentially. Now there are angles to twist more information on the table to fit arguments that were never made. Oh, this article is 3rd party and should be dismissed. Oh, this release isn't like Rings of Power's full season so you can't compare the Boys to it. Oh, this was only one statement made so it's not an indication that Amazon regularly does this, so you shouldn't say they do. You see, there's no point in providing the source because I already know the outcome of the answers, and it's not worth taking the conversation there. If he was also in good faith, then sure, I might honor that request in good faith. He isn't though, that's the difference. I only need to address his claim that Amazon doesn't make post-finale statements about a show's performance by saying they did so for the Boys. The simpler the information, the less there is to take into a needless tangent. If he can't find source for something that is easily google-able, then that really isn't my problem. He's intentionally baiting something to argue. That's how bad faith arguments work. It's not about what facts he can bring to the table, it's what facts you bring that he can dismiss or argue around.

You guys can clue in that Rhorle has a particular way of taking the argument tangentially and like you said, it's probably better not to feed into the arguments if we already know he's baiting for sources and links. I'll say that I took my time to present it to you just for the sake of our discussion, otherwise I wouldn't bother humoring it for him. So yeah, moving forward, if you see me not honoring his requests and not being nice, that's because I'm not being nice to the person who is usually being dishonest in return. If you want to see this as being a blanket characterization of me and how I am not a nice person to talk with in general, then so be it. Thank you for your concern otherwise.

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So similar to what they have done for Rings of Power. Season 1 of The Boys was released all at once so any comments about anything would happen post finale. We have got the same level of comments about Rings of Power.

You see, he even responded exactly as I expected him to. This is completely tangential to the fact I mentioned this to counter his own claim that Amazon does not make statements about their shows success post release, when this is clearly a valid example of it. He simply brushes it off as 'not on the same level of comments', whatever that means. It's bad faith, I know his answers, and I don't care about 'being honest' for the sake of getting an answer that I know will not progress the discussion at all.

The entire argument he's presenting is in bad faith. That you expect me to be arguing in good faith would be in ignorance of who I'm actually talking to. And that you consider Rhorle with such leniency tells me either you haven't had any experience with actually discussing something against him and providing sources to counter his claims, or that you're willingly being ignorant to them considering how these conversations have flooded the entire thread for this long I find it hard to imagine this is the first time you're seeing this.

[rhorle]

“We are thrilled that ‘The Boys’ has surpassed our predictions for viewing in its first two weeks, and has become one of our most-watched Amazon Original series by our Prime Video customers,” she revealed

So similar to what they have done for Rings of Power. Season 1 of The Boys was released all at once so any comments about anything would happen post finale. We have got the same level of comments about Rings of Power.

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You see, he even responded exactly as I expected him to. This is completely tangential to the fact I mentioned this to counter his own claim that Amazon does not make statements about their shows success, when this is clearly a valid example of it.

Context is important. So while they did make a response after the shows finale episode was released it was impossible not to. The same statements they made about The Boys season 1 have been made about Rings of Power. A 1 day season versus a 7 week season. How does this make the Rings of Power "silence" deafening? They've already talked about the same stuff.

[Triceron]

Context is important. So while they did make a response after the shows finale episode was released it was impossible not to. The same statements they made about The Boys season 1 have been made about Rings of Power. A 1 day season versus a 7 week season. How does this make the Rings of Power "silence" deafening? They've already talked about the same stuff.

You're right, context is important.

So let me remind you - this was a response to you having said Amazon doesn't make statements about their shows performance after full release. It has nothing to do with being a comparable situation to Rings of Power's release. I'm not comparing this specific instance to Rings of Power at all. You're intentionally taking this out of context as a means to dismiss it entirely. I'm using this information to reinforce the fact that Amazon DID make a statement about a series' performance after it was fully released, whereas they HAVE NOT done so for Rings of Power now. It can't be compared to Rings of Power because they never made a statement at all about the series' full performance. It is not meant to be compared, it is meant to address a specific statement you made about them not doing so in the past.

That is the context, which you've blatantly chosen to ignore.

[rhorle]

So let me remind you - this was a response to you having said Amazon doesn't make statements about their shows performance after full release. It has nothing to do with being a comparable situation to Rings of Power's release now, because the context isn't about comparing the two. The context is addressing you having said Amazon doesn't make statements addressing their show's performance.

Right. I was wrong. That still doesn't change that there is no silence about Rings of Power. Because they made similar comments over the 7 weeks of the show was airing. For example we know that 100 million subscribers have watched Rings of Power at the end of September or early October from an interview given. A lot of the things you want them to have done post-finale they did during the 7 week run.

So how does that mean Amazon doesn't like the show performance? The article I took the 100 million statistic from goes into a lot of depth about the show and their thoughts. https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/jen...gm-1235392108/

[Triceron]

Right. I was wrong. That still doesn't change that there is no silence about Rings of Power. Because they made similar comments over the 7 weeks of the show was airing. For example we know that 100 million subscribers have watched Rings of Power at the end of September or early October from an interview given. A lot of the things you want them to have done post-finale they did during the 7 week run.

So how does that mean Amazon doesn't like the show performance? The article I took the 100 million statistic from goes into a lot of depth about the show and their thoughts. https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/jen...gm-1235392108/

Which has nothing to do with what I said, does it?

If you say context is important, then why do you continually try and provide sources that have nothing to do with the fact that the context of my original reply is regarding Amazon statements about Rings of Power's performance post-finale? You're still linking articles released well before the finale and talking about things that were said while the show was still being released. We already agree that Amazon did not make any statements about the show after its full release, so posting these pre-finale articles aren't going to address anything I said.

Did I say they were silent while still releasing the series? No, I didn't. I said they had been silent on its performance after the series finished. . Why are you intentionally taking my argument out of context? I can tell you why. Because you never had anything to argue in the first place and just saw something I said and chose to argue it without considering any of the context. The very thing that you're touting as being important.

[rhorle]

If you say context is important, then why do you continually try and provide sources that have nothing to do with the fact that the context of my original reply is regarding Amazon statements about Rings of Power's performance post-finale?

Because they've made comments about its performance prior to the finale? Why does it matter if it is pre or post when it is the same type of commentary you want? Why do they need to repeat things post finale just to prove the show is a success? Again why does a show have to brag after its last episode in order for it to be seen as good by the studio/producers?