Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

Something can be good but not personally liked. It is possible to separate the two and acknowledge that a meal, painting, or other thing is good but not something your own personal taste finds to be good. For example a person doesn't like mushrooms. Every dish that has mushrooms isn't crap just because it has mushrooms. They can be good or bad even though that person won't like it because of the mushrooms.

Except you can't call mushrooms good objectively. It is evaluated subjectively, and if someone doesn't like mushrooms then to them it is legitimately valid to call it bad, even if made by Gordon Ramsay himself. Thay is the whole point of subjectivity. A bad show does not mean universally bad, it means bad in the eyes of the person calling it bad. The only thing objectively good that you could define might be the quality of the product, but not in its taste or presentation. Even a talented chef can still end up making a burnt steak.

And the talented chef analogy isn't very apt because you aren't evaluating the product, you are implying that you are judging it based on the merit of its creator. Do you think WC3 Reforged is a good game because it was made by Blizzard, a company known for hiring talented developers? They can still produce lackluster quality products despite their track record.

[Shadowferal]

Something can be good but not personally liked.

As usual...moving the goalposts.

If it looks like shit and smells like shit, then it's probably shit. Just because you grabbed a spoon and insist it's good just boggles the mind.

[rhorle]

As usual...moving the goalposts.

What goal posts were moved? You originally took issue with me saying that something can be good but not personally liked. Hence why Justin Bieber is a good singer despite not being liked by a lot of people.

[Shadowferal]

Back on the "ignore" with you.

[Triceron]

What goal posts were moved? You originally took issue with me saying that something can be good but not personally liked. Hence why Justin Bieber is a good singer despite not being liked by a lot of people.

Depends though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/singing/com..._performances/

[hulkgor]

So long after the show has finished airing its season 1, and the bashers are still in full force.

Give it a rest, at least until season 2 starts.

[LiamTes928]

Unfortunately the show is bad, I didn't like it.

[kenn9530]

Just because 100 million watched it doesn't mean 100 million enjoyed it. So far it has been recieved with mixed reviews. Amazon Prime has over 200 million subscribers, so out of their own audience, 50% were interested. This gives us 0 information on how many people the show actually attracted enough to bother subbing to prime.

Also, more people like the show than don't like it is a rather big assumption on your part. You have nothing backing your claims, other than your opinion, dude.

It doesnt matter how many liked the show, not every show is to the taste of every single person and there are billions of ppl in the world, not all amazon prime members even use the streaming service, if 100 million ppl potentially want to watch the show then thats larger than most tv shows ever get.

All the data backs my claim, of those who have actually watched the show all the metrics show most viewers enjoyed it, why dont you prove me otherwise, all the reviews point the show to being between a 70-85% rating, if thats not considered good then you clearly have no idea on what you are even talking about.

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The data shows the show is popular, not necessarily good.

Justin Bieber is/was very popular too. So we can conclude that “good” and “popular” are not necessarily congruent.

Good and bad are ENTIRELY subjective though, so proof can not be given to substantiate either.

Having read several other Tolkien works besides LotR/the hobbit, such as silmarillion, children of hurin, etc I do consider myself more informed than the average viewer, but I was well entertained. I especially loved Moria.

I have my own criticisms (especially would’ve liked celebrimbor as more of a shadow of mordor badass) but I have a willingness to just see what the creators vision is. The books still exist, the movies still exist.

If more ppl like something than hate it that makes it good, there is no way around that, personal tastes dont make something good or bad, plus too many ppl are ignorant and overly judgy on everything these days, the majority rules on what is considered a good tv/film series not the individual.

[Triceron]

It doesnt matter how many liked the show, not every show is to the taste of every single person and there are billions of ppl in the world

If more ppl like something than hate it that makes it good

How the fuck do you contradict yourself in your own post this badly?

[MakeMeLaugh]

So long after the show has finished airing its season 1, and the bashers are still in full force.

Give it a rest, at least until season 2 starts.

Hopefully there won't be a season 2.

It's so bad that I would be fine if they did a major reset and pretend the original Rings of Power never existed. There's no coming back from how bad the show is unfortunately.

[Syegfryed]

How the fuck do you contradict yourself in your own post this badly?

He is delusional, he pops here a few times, claims all the data confirm what he said, except, he doesn't say or link any data, and the data we sho him he said is incorrect or invallid

Dude literally said what matters is that many people liked a few pages ago

[kenn9530]

How the fuck do you contradict yourself in your own post this badly?

There is no contradiction, if you watched the whole series then you must like something about the show, but if you didnt watch more than one episode then the show may not be to your taste, personal preferance has no bearing on a show being good or not, just like the amount of players that have tried world of warcraft when it has 5% retention at the time it had over 100 million players that have tried the game, these days i doubt retention is even 1-2% so are you going to claim WoW is a bad game just because its not a game type millions of players like.

100 million have watched RoP and we will probably never know if all of those watched the whole series or not, its impressive as it is to even get the attention of 100 million to watch a tv series.

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He is delusional, he pops here a few times, claims all the data confirm what he said, except, he doesn't say or link any data, and the data we sho him he said is incorrect or invallid

Dude literally said what matters is that many people liked a few pages ago

You have yet to back anything you have said up, the show is good plain and simple so just because you are ignorant and in denial it doesnt change that simple fact, you are wrong just admit it, your personal tastes have no bearing on the quality of the show.

There is no data proving the show is bad, user metric reviews are not vaild because they are simply filled with the most vocal group of which is the ones that hate everything. The only valid metrics are from actual critics judging the show fairly and not by impossible fan standards.

You are consistant in having opinions that are in the minority.

[Triceron]

There is no contradiction, if you watched the whole series then you must like something about the show, but if you didnt watch more than one episode then the show may not be to your taste, personal preferance has no bearing on a show being good or not, just like the amount of players that have tried world of warcraft when it has 5% retention at the time it had over 100 million players that have tried the game, these days i doubt retention is even 1-2% so are you going to claim WoW is a bad game just because its not a game type millions of players like.

100 million have watched RoP and we will probably never know if all of those watched the whole series or not, its impressive as it is to even get the attention of 100 million to watch a tv series.

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You have yet to back anything you have said up, the show is good plain and simple so just because you are ignorant and in denial it doesnt change that simple fact, you are wrong just admit it, your personal tastes have no bearing on the quality of the show.

There is no data proving the show is bad, user metric reviews are not vaild because they are simply filled with the most vocal group of which is the ones that hate everything. The only valid metrics are from actual critics judging the show fairly and not by impossible fan standards.

You are consistant in having opinions that are in the minority.

THen you can't call the show good either because you don't know, by your same standards.

Yet here we are with you having said the show is good many many times. That means by your own definition, you are full of shit.

[Biomega]

"mithril reflects the light of valinor" is this show's version of "the midichlorians are the force"

Hot take. I'mma yoink that for future arguments, very good analogy!

[Syegfryed]

You have yet to back anything you have said up,

Metascore and rotten tomatoes user score back up what i said that the show is garbage and people didn't like it.

the show is good plain and simple

And with what you back up this claim?

There is no data proving the show is bad

So, the show is good, because there is no data that says the show is bad(except there is)


This is an awesome dishonest argument

user metric reviews are not vaild because they are simply filled with the most vocal group of which is the ones that hate everything

Not the most vocal, the most populous, meaning, more people disliked the show

The only valid metrics are from actual critics judging the show fairly and not by impossible fan standards.

AHAHAHAHA yes, the actual critics judging the show sure are fair and not won by money, what a joke.

You are consistant in having opinions that are in the minority.

You are the minoritiy, in this thread and in the whole world

not even people defending this garbage here think the show is good, they just defend for spite of those who criticize it

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I think there are a lot of parallels between this and the Star Wars prequel trilogy. I've said before that Galadriel is this series' version of Jar Jar Binks - the character that they unnecessarily put at the center of a lot of plot that they thought everyone would love who turned out to be generally disliked. By the second movie Jar Jar was turned into a minor character. The prequels didn't ever get good, but they generally improved from one to the next. Maybe there's something similar that will happen to this show.

prequels at least gave us Palpatine and a lot of memes to laugh with it, same can't be said about RoP as even the memes are sad

But the powerpoint font change of southlands to mordor was fucking hilarious

[rhorle]

When it comes to judging a LOTR series, most critics are highly uninformed because they don’t know the underlying book material. So they see a big budget with fancy production values with a generic, somewhat disjointed plot and give it a B+ review.

So its a good show if it is a B+ show. Just not a good adaptation according to you. Just like the Jackson work wasn't a good adaptation to the Tolkien estate who know the book material the best.

[kenn9530]

When it comes to judging a LOTR series, most critics are highly uninformed because they don’t know the underlying book material. So they see a big budget with fancy production values with a generic, somewhat disjointed plot and give it a B+ review.

The fans of the series who know the story are the ones who can really judge it.

The fans of the books are unable to give an accurate judgement because they have certain expectations that even tolkien knew himself would be impossible to be properly represented in a tv/film series.

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THen you can't call the show good either because you don't know, by your same standards.

Yet here we are with you having said the show is good many many times. That means by your own definition, you are full of shit.

The data proves it to be good regardless of personal feelings on it being good or not, im not stating its good because i alone just think its good, im looking at the data available that shows a large portion of the viewerbase at least 70-80% actually like the show regardless of other feelings about it, i have not watched house of the dragon but i can say its a good show because the data proves it to be so.

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User based reviews are irrelevant because there is not enough reviews for it to ever be accurate, your whole argument is based from a fraction of the viewerbase that mostly like to moan of the forums about stuff they dont like, a critics job is to give an unbiased review but as usual your always being dishonest because it goes against your biased views on what you dont like.

Any show that gets 70-85% rating is a good show, you always just ignore the simple truth right infront of you, you have nothing backing you up saying the show is bad, if it was rated a 5/10 maybe you could say its bad, a 5/10 for a show would be something you maybe just watch once, not bad but not great.

IMBD rates the show 7/10, RT rates it at 85%, its viewership has remained pretty steady throughout the whole season, these alone proves the show is a good show.

[kenn9530]

So your argument is that it's impossible to properly represent Tolkien's work in a tv/film series, so it's ok for the showrunners to just make up their own story and call it LOTR?

Tolkien always knew its impossible to faithfully adapt his work into a tv/film series so why do you exect it to when the creator knew it wasnt possible, amazon have bought whatever rights so they can do whatever they want with it, its the usual case of fans with unrealistic expectations and then moaning like little girls because they didnt get what they wanted.

you should be happy for an adaptation at all, because not many companies would spend the money needed to turn it into a tv series.

[Biomega]

User based reviews are irrelevant because there is not enough reviews for it to ever be accurate, your whole argument is based from a fraction of the viewerbase that mostly like to moan of the forums about stuff they dont like, a critics job is to give an unbiased review but as usual your always being dishonest because it goes against your biased views on what you dont like.

"10,000 user reviews aren't enough to be accurate, 5 critics that don't have to disclose any financial or personal bias are way better data."

Oof. Been a while since a take that spicy. Even in here.

[kenn9530]

"10,000 user reviews aren't enough to be accurate, 5 critics that don't have to disclose any financial or personal bias are way better data."

Oof. Been a while since a take that spicy. Even in here.

10k reviews is nothing compared to at least 25 plus million to having watched the show all the way through, ppl who hate things and moan are much more vocal than ppl who like stuff.

By all means you keep thinking less than 0.1% of the viewbase with a review actually means something. On IMBD out of the 289k reviews about 190k rated the show 6 or above which is good, the rest are 5 and below ratings which is half the positive ratings, and thats still only 1% of the viewership that bothers to do any sort of review.

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Ok, I think you've made yourself clear:

Amazon bought the rights and they can do whatever they want, and I should be happy to get anything at all.

We fundamentally don't agree on a single thing here. I personally believe that I am allowed to have opinions and that I don't have to thank god that Amazon made a crap series called Rings of Power. So onto the ignore list you go.

Its not an opinion that the show is rated good or not, its a simple fact with the data available, opinions are a different thing altogether.