Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[rhorle]

Well ya Galadriel throws a retch into it being deliberate because unless he was planning ten steps ahead and predicting what she’d do and how they’d react it doesn’t really fit.

It could be that he wasn't sure if she could convince them to send an army. So he wanted to either manipulate the Kings Men or force them to decide what to do with the elf quicker because of the commoners "revolt". He obviously had his own plans and he deliberately picked the fight. I find the notion that he wanted to make knives for no purpose to be a silly notion. Given we now know he is Sauron it seems plausible that he was manipulating things somehow for some reason.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It could be that he wasn't sure if she could convince them to send an army. So he wanted to either manipulate the Kings Men or force them to decide what to do with the elf quicker because of the commoners "revolt". He obviously had his own plans and he deliberately picked the fight. I find the notion that he wanted to make knives for no purpose to be a silly notion. Given we now know he is Sauron it seems plausible that he was manipulating things somehow for some reason.

I don’t know if think if he was going for that he’d Wilma but higher then some smiths like with magic he should have no problem tricking the sailors that something is amiss and they are shown to have a lot more cultural power then some Nobody’s.

[Triceron]

Well ya Galadriel throws a retch into it being deliberate because unless he was planning ten steps ahead and predicting what she’d do and how they’d react it doesn’t really fit.

I guess you could say he’d do the same thing if she wasn’t there and just get out some other way but that seems like a stretch and really the whole thing seems kinda pointless unlike in the actual book where he’s manipulating the king from a cowed position.

Which is my point here

The Rings of Power story is trying to tell a sympathetic story for Halbrand. Theories were floating around since ep 2 about Halbrand being potentially Sauron. If not, he could have been a potential Witch King of Angmar. Either way, it was already speculated that he isn't merely who he says he is.

So by the time they're all in Numenor, it's simple enough to follow the plot and imagine what he could be planning. And it's outbursts like his fight with the Numenoreans that shows the audience that he didn't want to fight, he actively tried to avoid it. If this was meant to be manipulation in retrospect, the scene should have played out differently, to at the very least hint that he was planning this, that he could be intentionally luring them. He wasn't though, he thought he gave em the slip.

That's why I don't buy the explanation that he was manipulating them into hating Elves. That seemed like a complete contrivance that they would even end up blaming the Elves for his bullshit. It was quite counterintuitive, and doesn't imply some 4D chess being played here.

[rhorle]

I don’t know if think if he was going for that he’d Wilma but higher then some smiths like with magic he should have no problem tricking the sailors that something is amiss and they are shown to have a lot more cultural power then some Nobody’s.

They certainly could have done it differently but they way they did it solves a few things. Wouldn't Sauron want to stop the Queen, and all of Numenor, from allying with the elves? He still was infatuated with Galadriel but might have wanted to accomplish his other goals. It could also be the show laying the seeds for his future return. The compressed time line and 8 episode constraints might not allow for his capture and return to play out the same. We know from Tolkien that even though his army fled Sauron was "fine" with being captured because met his goals so the same "spirit of the work" can happen in different ways.

Since the show brought him to Numenor why not have him manipulate a little. It solved a few things. It introduce Ar-pharazon as a political power, the kings men, the dislike of elves, hints at Saurons power (the magical effects in the fight). Maybe it is just incompetence by the show writers but I find that a harder pill to swallow.

[Syegfryed]

Honestly that's just sad.

Could not say better about people defending those things, but here we are

[Xath]

It could be that he wasn't sure if she could convince them to send an army. So he wanted to either manipulate the Kings Men or force them to decide what to do with the elf quicker because of the commoners "revolt". He obviously had his own plans and he deliberately picked the fight. I find the notion that he wanted to make knives for no purpose to be a silly notion. Given we now know he is Sauron it seems plausible that he was manipulating things somehow for some reason.

Or it could be that it's terrible writing by bad writers

[Skulltaker]

Which is my point here

The Rings of Power story is trying to tell a sympathetic story for Halbrand. Theories were floating around since ep 2 about Halbrand being potentially Sauron. If not, he could have been a potential Witch King of Angmar. Either way, it was already speculated that he isn't merely who he says he is.

So by the time they're all in Numenor, it's simple enough to follow the plot and imagine what he could be planning. And it's outbursts like his fight with the Numenoreans that shows the audience that he didn't want to fight, he actively tried to avoid it. If this was meant to be manipulation in retrospect, the scene should have played out differently, to at the very least hint that he was planning this, that he could be intentionally luring them. He wasn't though, he thought he gave em the slip.

That's why I don't buy the explanation that he was manipulating them into hating Elves. That seemed like a complete contrivance that they would even end up blaming the Elves for his bullshit. It was quite counterintuitive, and doesn't imply some 4D chess being played here.

At best you can argue that he pushed what was already struggling for balance over the edge, and even that's a stretch. There are better ways to get into influential positions than cheating your way into them. And given the state of the rest of the story, that's just a level of finesse that I don't see the writers have. A far simpler explanaition is probably that the initial meetings determined 'big Sauron reveal at the end', and then they constructed the story to that point backwards. It shows. It's a common issue with shows these days. You can immediately tell that they had the ending in mind ahead of planning the journey. Which, in itself isn't an issue, if you have the skills to properly do that. If not, you end up with a non-sensical story that has glaring issues left right and center.

[Celement]

Given how awful this shit was I hope the studio in question just has all the characters russian hat dance for twelve hours during the next 3 (4?) Seasons amazon prepaid for just to show how little of a shit they give.

[Kumorii]

Amazon is going for God of War next. Same showrunner as Wheel of Time.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/god...on-1235460972/

Maybe the involvement of Santa Monica, Sony and Playstation might be the saving grace?

[Syegfryed]

Amazon is going for God of War next. Same showrunner as Wheel of Time.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/god...on-1235460972/

Maybe the involvement of Santa Monica, Sony and Playstation might be the saving grace?

Holy shit, this have colossal chances of being a fucking disaster.

How can you get someone who do wheel of time to do another show is beyond, me, why are they going for this, and why do the 2018 game and not the first one?

Like, they are the guys who axed Conan series because it was "too manly", how can they do something with Kratos, let alone in a game about patriarchy, lmao

[crusadernero]

Holy shit, this have colossal chances of being a fucking disaster.

How can you get someone who do wheel of time to do another show is beyond, me, why are they going for this, and why do the 2018 game and not the first one?

Like, they are the guys who axed Conan series because it was "too manly", how can they do something with Kratos, let alone in a game about patriarchy, lmao

Kratos can be a woman, or a man that identifies as a woman. He can be a "complicated" character. OR they can tone down his masculinity. He can have a different skin color to. His son can instead be a daugther that has a much bigger role. I mean, the options are really endless.

That was just to "put it on the spot", but you know what I mean. Changes will be made.

I have literally zero faith in someone that made LOTR & WoT. Maybe below zero.

[Biomega]

He can have a different skin color to.

Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

[bledgor]

Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

Only issue with Judge is he is getting a bit older, which I suppose is fine they are starting with the later God of War, but if they want to start fresh he is what almost 60? Is 60?

[Biomega]

Only issue with Judge is he is getting a bit older, which I suppose is fine they are starting with the later God of War, but if they want to start fresh he is what almost 60? Is 60?

58.

Not that old. Only 3 years on other action people, like idk Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. 2 years younger than Tom Cruise.

60 doesn't mean much anymore.

[bledgor]

58.

Not that old. Only 3 years on other action people, like idk Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. 2 years younger than Tom Cruise.

60 doesn't mean much anymore.

Thing is they are starting it now, so by the time of the first season he will be 59, 60. With how shows have been taking 2 years for the sub services to produce 3-4 seasons in he will be closing in on 70, could be rough.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kratos can be a woman, or a man that identifies as a woman. He can be a "complicated" character. OR they can tone down his masculinity. He can have a different skin color to. His son can instead be a daugther that has a much bigger role. I mean, the options are really endless.

That was just to "put it on the spot", but you know what I mean. Changes will be made.

I have literally zero faith in someone that made LOTR & WoT. Maybe below zero.

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

[Syegfryed]

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

Everything you said would be bad and wrong in many levels.

The game didn't "tone down" his masculinity, it removed his aggressive and homicide behaviour, you can argue those are "masculinity traits, but isn't. They can't change his skin color, him being bone white is crucial to the character, if you said his original skin color should change, it should not either. And giving daughter would completely remove a big chunk of meaning of the game and would actually ruin the contrast, because it would not be a contrast anymore since he had a daughter previously.

[crusadernero]

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

See, everything is up for grabs.

I would highly recommend everyone who is a fan of the GoW series to not expect anything from this show. Especially dont think it will hold true to the games setup & story.

btw, I have never understood why we gotta take something that is creative & already made(like GoT & lotr) and change it up SO much and shoehorn it into a small box with checklists.

How about.. You know, create something new? Why take GoW and change it up alot(lets pretend they do) in the first place? Why even pick it up and make a tv show out of it?

Why not create a new show? With new characters. With theyre own story, with theyre own backgrounds and all that.

It would be way more genuine if they actually did that instead of taking something established and twist it into theyre own image.

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Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

Sure, I dont mind at all. If it works, it works.

[Syegfryed]

Just to keep up with the topic, im hearing people talking bout this year awards for audience choices, seems like Rings of power didn't got shit, and seems like it looks worse for critics choice awards

with bit of salt, since i don't follow this stuff

[Smallfruitbat]

Was house-sitting this weekend and binged the series on someone else's Prime account. What an absolute pile of shit. The pacing was awful, the characters mostly unlikeable and the "writing" was beyond embarrassing. This has to be a money laundering exercise; surely no one would intentionally let this sort of crap out in the wild and worse still, market it.