Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

you saying you didn’t miss the point there jsut wasn’t one just proves that you missed the point even after having it explained to you twice, lol.

it’s not a surprise to me that you that miss the point of a character all about the loss of his family who spends most of his life dripping in gore also sleeping around when ever he gets the chance as if it wasn’t just one of many ways Kratos disconnects from the world after the loss of his family.

Again, so? Do yout hink things are so simple that he should just put his pants up and get better? does anyone with depression just get better because "lmao dude, get better"? Kratos sexual affairs are minor parts in the game, he does less compared to other characters, this is not rly a good argument to say "they tone down his masculinity" since those are not masculinity traits but male chauvinism.

Kratos is, pretty much the same character trough and trough, and the devs made sure to make that way, he just doesn't kill everyone(as he still kills a lot of people, and brutallity) who defy him anymore, because surprise, he is older and was married again.

you literally ignored the argument because you got upset about a phrase and did a “muh” meme instead.

Its funny to see how you had to fall down to predicted arguments

the gods weren’t even plotting to kill him until he starting destroying there city’s in ghost of Sparta which he continues to do in 2 even though they ask him to stop.

Zeus was literally plotting against after he opened pandoras box, Kratos unleash the evils and Athena said fear consumed Zeus because he dreaded Ares fate would fall upon himself, BRO

Zeus: It is you who would betray me! Am I to stand idly by while Olympus is threatened?! [grabs the Blade of Olympus] Your hands are already stained by the blood of a god. I will not let Ares' fate be my own.

And Kratos had no desire to kill Zeus, he didn't know whaat he did to his mother either. Hell, Zeus also feared Kratos would take his throne, just like zeus did to cronos and him to uranus:

You will never be the ruler of Olympus. The cycle ends here.

And you him to just "gets better" in this kind of environment. because "he had the chance"

your literally making stuff up Kratos never found comfort what the opening of the second game says is that he turned his rage to Hatred and that he didn’t care if he was shunned by the selfish gods because he had his family of Sparta and conquest.

"he found a new family" is as much comfort he would get in said circumstances

The video you post also confirm my point that the gods shun him down and he was alone in olympus, no way for a second chance

they literally say the land of Greece is dead and it’s magic died with it in ragnarok, and again this is an ongoing process you see in 3.

Rather Athena could have saved it with the sword is unknown.

As for now, the world still exists, its just fucked. it can cease to exist in the future, who knows.

the bat is literally only relevant because it scared Bruce as a child band he internalized it as a symbol to use and do the same to others as criminals "a superstitious, cowardly lot”, this is why owl man works just as well when he shows up.

Any animal could have scared Bruce, so again, pointless

it does. if they had gone with the original design and another title it would never cross any ones mind.

Just as wolfman being his nickname instead of batman i bet you people are more scared of wolves than bats

And Mabye read my actual post? You know where I said give him a daughter for a time to build the contrast not to change his son into a girl?

It was the point of the guy you quoted, change him, not give flashbacks.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again, so? Do yout hink things are so simple that he should just put his pants up and get better? does anyone with depression just get better because "lmao dude, get better"? Kratos sexual affairs are minor parts in the game, he does less compared to other characters, this is not rly a good argument to say "they tone down his masculinity" since those are not masculinity traits but male chauvinism.

Kratos is, pretty much the same character trough and trough, and the devs made sure to make that way, he just doesn't kill everyone(as he still kills a lot of people, and brutallity) who defy him anymore, because surprise, he is older and was married again.

The entire spartan mind set is an example of chauvinism and is an example of masculine traits taken to a toxic extreme, Kratos notable abadnon's said Spartan mind set after leaving Greece and takes up new principles to raise his son by.

He is in no way the same character trough and trough and its laughable that any one would think that.

Its funny to see how you had to fall down to predicted arguments

and its even funnier you both don't understand and cant counter said "predicted arguments"

Zeus was literally plotting against after he opened pandoras box, Kratos unleash the evils and Athena said fear consumed Zeus because he dreaded Ares fate would fall upon himself, BRO

Zeus start's to plot against him at the end of ghost of Sparta after he sinks alantas and kills Thanatos, In ghost of Sparta he was still trying to get Kratos to side with the gods which he instead starting antagonizing which leads directly into 2 where Athena try's to get him to see reason and stop destroying city's and angering the gods.

And Kratos had no desire to kill Zeus, he didn't know whaat he did to his mother either. Hell, Zeus also feared Kratos would take his throne, just like zeus did to cronos and him to uranus:

and Zeus didn't want to kill kratos until after he kept killing god's post Ares and destroying there city's. Zeus's actions at the start of 2 don't come out of no where.

And you him to just "gets better" in this kind of environment. because "he had the chance"


"he found a new family" is as much comfort he would get in said circumstances

It is the most comfort he's gonna get and getting better would never be easy he had every thing he needed to achieve it with no revenge crusade no actual enemies and a new "family".

instead he falls back on violence and antagonizes the god's by destroying there city's.

The video you post also confirm my point that the gods shun him down and he was alone in olympus, no way for a second chance

They shun him for his actions own actions starting with destroying Alantas and then other city's until they have to finally take action at the start of 2.

As for now, the world still exists, its just fucked. it can cease to exist in the future, who knows.

again they say Greece is dead in Ragnaok, the plane it self might exist but Greece is gone.

Any animal could have scared Bruce, so again, pointless


Just as wolfman being his nickname instead of batman i bet you people are more scared of wolves than bats

again your proving my point and not making any actual arguments.

It was the point of the guy you quoted, change him, not give flashbacks.

good for him, it wasn't my point and not what you replied to when you replied to my post not his.

[Shadowferal]

Is this the "Amazon Failures" thread?

[Syegfryed]

The entire spartan mind set is an example of chauvinism and is an example of masculine traits taken to a toxic extreme, Kratos notable abadnon's said Spartan mind set after leaving Greece and takes up new principles to raise his son by.

He is in no way the same character trough and trough and its laughable that any one would think that.

Him changing his bad behaviours does not mean he is not the same characters, we are talking about his masculinity, Kratos IS a masculine character, and that was not tone down, what was taken away was his male chauvinist trait, which i talked about ealier

Zeus start's to plot against him at the end of ghost of Sparta after he sinks alantas and kills Thanatos, In ghost of Sparta he was still trying to get Kratos to side with the gods which he instead starting antagonizing which leads directly into 2 where Athena try's to get him to see reason and stop destroying city's and angering the gods.

Literally proving my point, Zeus was already aware of him before, do you realize he was the one who put a curse on this mother? Zeus wanted undying loyalty like Hercules, but this doesn't not mean he was not plotting against him already. Zeus was the worse,

It is the most comfort he's gonna get and getting better would never be easy he had every thing he needed to achieve it with no revenge crusade no actual enemies and a new "family".

instead he falls back on violence and antagonizes the god's by destroying there city's.

Because the gods themselves took his mother and brother and refuse to free him from his nightmares, lmao, you keep forgetting this little detail


I would love to derail the thread more with you, but this is my last reply, get the last post, and pretend that you "won" something, when you clearly don't get the character at all.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

when you clearly don't get the character at all.

One of us surely doesn’t.

[Xath]

yes and I’d say the same thing about you as you apparently missed all the themes and messaging beyond “RAWR REVENGE”

it’s not every woman, it’s every woman he has a chance to, and ya it is problematic as it’s one of the many Many examples of Kratos’S degeneration as he only see people as thing to use or things to kill with the gameplay even reinforcing this by turning it into a mini game.

Kratos doesn’t see the woman he sleeps with as people any more then he does the woman he crushes to keep open a door they are just something to use and move on from which is very toxically masculine and is a mind set kratos has until near the end of 3 where he actually starts to see Pandora as a person even though he fails her due to his rage.



Kratos is seen as a hero after the first game and given a place among the gods and a ton of support, he uses that to pick up where ares a left off which leads to a new revenge crusade.

While the gods couldn’t free him from his trauma they did give him the opportunity to move beyond it something we know he was capable of doing even if he can never be fully free of it.


you really are this stupid aren’t you?

Even if we ignore that ghost of Sparta and chains of Olympus are both about saving some one dear To him and not vengeance the main line games give Kratos tons of opportunity‘s to express him self in other ways then violence rather it be not killing his allies, avoiding murder for the sake of expedience or not picking unneeded fights and always taking them to there extremes.

Kratos destroys Greece not because of his revenge but because of the things he does to get in and how unneeded so much of it is.

it’s almost like his life Carried into GoW 2018 and him not knowing what to do with his son in that game is because of his previous experiences.

changing him from questionably brown to a harder tone wouldn’t be an issue at all, no matter what they do people are gonna complain about how he used to be a white character even though he never was.

Kratos being the “ghost” of Sparta has no thematic importance to his character for most of his games, it’s just a cool title that imparts nothing about the character other then the bone white skin and could be replaced with another fitting one.

And of course ashes don't only come in bond white they could have easily gone with his original black design and change nothing about his story and it would still make sense. Though im of course talking about his pre ash skin colour not mattering if it’s changed the white ashe should stay.


sign.

I said give him his daughter first for a time not to change his son to a daughter.

Calliope should always come before Atreus no matter how they are adapting it rather it be the first episode being about Greece and his before flashing forward for the rest of the show or it be a whole series about the Greece they should never jump into Atreus with out first show casing Kratos losing Calliope.

Ah yes consensual sex definitely means that the woman have it worse than the hundred of disposable males he cuts in half and in some cases quite literally rips in half throughout the series. He is an anti-hero he is never an actual hero maybe in the newest ones but not before that.

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Amazon is going for God of War next. Same showrunner as Wheel of Time.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/god...on-1235460972/

Maybe the involvement of Santa Monica, Sony and Playstation might be the saving grace?

It's dead on arrival if it's another rafe of time trash show.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ah yes consensual sex definitely means that the woman have it worse than the hundred of disposable males he cuts in half and in some cases quite literally rips in half throughout the series. He is an anti-hero he is never an actual hero maybe in the newest ones but not before that.

*yawn*

The whole of my post is about Kratos and his mind set, so you can miss me with any thing about any one having it worse as it’s something I never brought up or addressed.

[Xath]

*yawn*

The whole of my post is about Kratos and his mind set, so you can miss me with any thing about any one having it worse as it’s something I never brought up or addressed.

Kratos mindset is that nobody matters at least until the most recent one. He is purely driven by vengeance towards the gods and what they made him do you however had to single a group out rather than realizing the dude is just a straight up misanthrope who sees everyone as disposable until the most recent 2.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kratos mindset is that nobody matters at least until the most recent one. He is purely driven by vengeance towards the gods and what they made him do you however had to single a group out rather than realizing the dude is just a straight up misanthrope who sees everyone as disposable until the most recent 2.

Again you can miss me, I didn't single out any group in my post I explicitly went over how he interacts with people through violence which applies not exclusively but mostly to men.

[rhorle]

https://deadline.com/2022/12/lotr-th...al-1235201384/

Vernon Sanders, the head of global TV for Amazon Studios, recently did an interview. It confirms, again, that the show was a success for Amazon. Some talk of Season 2, Season 3, and recasting.

[Xath]

https://deadline.com/2022/12/lotr-th...al-1235201384/

Vernon Sanders, the head of global TV for Amazon Studios, recently did an interview. It confirms, again, that the show was a success for Amazon. Some talk of Season 2, Season 3, and recasting.

I know when I think of successful seasons they are usually followed immediately by recasting and basically changing all the directors :P

[rhorle]

I know when I think of successful seasons they are usually followed immediately by recasting and basically changing all the directors :P

Did you read the interview? Or did you just hate for the sake of it yet again? He explains that sometimes things don't work out with actors and it is a potential downside of having a lot of important roles. It broke several records for the prime platform, drove sign up in high-income households and the young demographic. It also drove high number of sales of the books on Amazon.

[Syegfryed]

https://deadline.com/2022/12/lotr-th...al-1235201384/

Vernon Sanders, the head of global TV for Amazon Studios, recently did an interview. It confirms, again, that the show was a success for Amazon. Some talk of Season 2, Season 3, and recasting.

ah yes, the dude of amazon said his shit smelled good.

That sure is a confirmation, totally not damage control and pretending. He sure is truthful, no biases here.

[Dhrizzle]

ah yes, the dude of amazon said his shit smelled good.

That sure is a confirmation, totally not damage control and pretending. He sure is truthful, no biases here.

Yup, executives at publicly traded companies are renowned for lying about the financial successes of their projects, they definitely don't err on the side of truth due to the legal ramifications of lying to investors.

[rhorle]

ah yes, the dude of amazon said his shit smelled good.

So if it is something good about the show it is automatically a lie? It is so strange how crazy some of you act in regards to "good" news about the show. If it is bad news you'd eat it up with out question.

[Syegfryed]

Yup, executives at publicly traded companies are renowned for lying about the financial successes of their projects, they definitely don't err on the side of truth due to the legal ramifications of lying to investors.

they are not lying to investors, they are lying to the public, is damage control, he says the same shit other people did before him, viewes of first episode, minutes watched, is a joke.

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So if it is something good about the show it is automatically a lie? It is so strange how crazy some of you act in regards to "good" news about the show. If it is bad news you'd eat it up with out question.

again, same thing, nothing here is new. its saying the same thing again.

The only thing you could say is new is the show being so awful it made people buy the book more lmao, but we already knew that too.

[rhorle]

again, same thing, nothing here is new. its saying the same thing again.

There was new information in the interview as it talks a little about demographic and income levels of viewers and season 2.

[Dhrizzle]

they are not lying to investors, they are lying to the public, is damage control, he says the same shit other people did before him, viewes of first episode, minutes watched, is a joke.

Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

Also lying to the public is lying to investors with a publicly traded company. Existing investors and analysts will decide on the value of Amazon based on the things that are said to the public. Members of the public may choose to invest in Amazon based on the things that are said to the public. Executives can't come out and outright lie about those details.

[Syegfryed]

Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

They don't prove that

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Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

They don't prove that

[rhorle]

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

What proof would you accept though? What do you think actually drove the increased sales of Lord of the Rings during the same period the show came out? What do you think drove sign ups and views of rings of power if it wasn't actually the show?