Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Dhrizzle]

they are not lying to investors, they are lying to the public, is damage control, he says the same shit other people did before him, viewes of first episode, minutes watched, is a joke.

Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

Also lying to the public is lying to investors with a publicly traded company. Existing investors and analysts will decide on the value of Amazon based on the things that are said to the public. Members of the public may choose to invest in Amazon based on the things that are said to the public. Executives can't come out and outright lie about those details.

[Syegfryed]

Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

They don't prove that

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Your forgetting the important metric - people who signed up to Amazon Prime and then watched the series. Remember Amazon isn't really a streaming service. It's an online shop and Amazon Prime is really its delivery subscription service. If they can show correlation between a series releasing, people subscribing and watching the series and those people then going on to spend money in the shop then the show is a success.

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

They don't prove that

[rhorle]

They think, they are doing a correlation here, pretending the "number increase" because of the show

What proof would you accept though? What do you think actually drove the increased sales of Lord of the Rings during the same period the show came out? What do you think drove sign ups and views of rings of power if it wasn't actually the show?

[rogoth]

Yup, executives at publicly traded companies are renowned for lying about the financial successes of their projects, they definitely don't err on the side of truth due to the legal ramifications of lying to investors.

it's genuinely cute and funny you think that this has any bearing on a company the size and scope of Amazon, because of the borderline slavery they get away with daily and have done now for many years they now have more money than some of the top 10 GDP countries in the world, breaking the law is just a cost of business, one that is weighed up during risk assessment, if it's financially and reputationally acceptable to break the law, they will do so without batting an eye, if it costs more financially or reputationally to break the law than the outright cost of fines etc, then they won't it's as binary as that, but you keep telling yourself that the rule of law dissuades these cunts from acting anything other than virtuously, if that's what helps you sleep at night.

every single publicly trade company has and always will tout the laws of the land they operate in for more financial and power gain, don't kid yourself into thinking that the law has any meaningful power to challenge these companies in the current day, furthermore, the way the corrupt and broken US of A is set up, no politician, no judge/prosecutor will ever get a day in court with any meaningful charge because of the sheer amount of rubble that will bury any such case, because let me repeat in case it wasn't clear to you, Amazon has more money than every single nation on earth outside of the G7, that means there's only 7 nations on this planet with a higher total capital value than Amazon, if that's not fucking broken then i don't know what is.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Gotta love that a show some people don't like not failing as hard as they want it to apparently means we live in deus ex or cyberpunk where companies can do what ever they like and are untouchable by governments.

lol.

[Syegfryed]

Gotta love the people in copium, with the massive failure of a billion dollar show, its not even because you liked, but because other people disliked.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Gotta love the people in copium, with the massive failure of a billion dollar show, its not even because you liked, but because other people disliked.

The lack of self awareness, lol.

Your the one coping because of dislike saying any and all info they put out must be lies because it doesn't agree with you.

[Skulltaker]

What proof would you accept though? What do you think actually drove the increased sales of Lord of the Rings during the same period the show came out? What do you think drove sign ups and views of rings of power if it wasn't actually the show?

Hard numbers, for example. Literally, nothing he says in the interview gives you any idea of how well the show did. Go through the answers step by step and you'll see that he avoids giving definitive answers. Which is normal for a corporate guy, of course.

[crusadernero]

Lets be honest, the show was shite. It was carried by hardcore fans(like me) and a lot of copium. And, lets not forget, a chance to fill the hole GoT left behind.

There was always a thought "this will get better" throughout the show. By the final episode, I was so dissapointed.

A grand chance thrown away.

The only good thing about it was the visuals. Beyond that, pure horrorshow.

[Syegfryed]

Lets be honest, the show was shite. It was carried by hardcore fans(like me) and a lot of copium. .

I rly doubt any fan liked this.

[Dhrizzle]

Gotta love that a show some people don't like not failing as hard as they want it to apparently means we live in deus ex or cyberpunk where companies can do what ever they like and are untouchable by governments.

lol.

People really wanted the show to be a lot worse than it is and to absolutely tank, they're reaching QAnon levels of reality denying now that it's turned out to be half-decent and really successful.

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Hard numbers, for example. Literally, nothing he says in the interview gives you any idea of how well the show did. Go through the answers step by step and you'll see that he avoids giving definitive answers. Which is normal for a corporate guy, of course.

One of the first paragraphs is literally a summary of the hard figures the assessment is based on

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I rly doubt any fan liked this.

And you're wrong.

[crusadernero]

I rly doubt any fan liked this.

Fans liked it before it aired. Now? Not so much. I bet alot of LoTR fans also saw the whole season out of a glimmer of hope.

[Skulltaker]

One of the first paragraphs is literally a summary of the hard figures the assessment is based on

I'm sorry, did we read different interviews? The only hard figure in this entire thing is the cost of 465 million USD. Other than that, you only get the usual PR talk without any context, which makes it all rather worthless.

[Syegfryed]

People really wanted the show to be a lot worse than it is and to absolutely tank, they're reaching QAnon levels of reality denying now that it's turned out to be half-decent and really successful.

Lmao talking bout denying reality, "show is half-decent"

And you're wrong.

I was talking bout fans, not superfans, like the one amazon hired to advertise the show, i know they loved.

They didn't watched, but loved.

[Skulltaker]

Lmao talking bout denying reality, "show is half-decent"

The show is half decent. Acting, cinematography, soundtrack, most of the props and designs, are all decent. Story and character development are trash. Depending on where you stand, I can see people get a lot of entertainment out of this show. There has clearly been effort put into it. I just don't think it's enough.

[Dhrizzle]

I'm sorry, did we read different interviews? The only hard figure in this entire thing is the cost of 465 million USD. Other than that, you only get the usual PR talk without any context, which makes it all rather worthless.

"In an interview with Deadline, Vernon Sanders, Head of Global TV for Amazon Studios, says the financial bet “has more than paid off.” He addresses the success of the show on Prime Video — where it broke records for most global viewers in its first day (25 million) and overall (more than 100 million), for minutes streamed (24 billion) and signups worldwide during its launch window, attracted younger viewers (record number of adults 18-34 for a Prime Video original) and affluent audiences (40% coming from households with income greater than $100,000) — and beyond, boosting Amazon’s sales of J.R.R. Tolkien books on which the series was based."

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Lmao talking bout denying reality, "show is half-decent"

Oh no! Do people like something you don't like?

I was talking bout fans, not superfans, like the one amazon hired to advertise the show, i know they loved.

They didn't watched, but loved.

And I'm talking about people who enjoy the works of Tolkien and liked the series Amazon made.

[Syegfryed]

The show is half decent. Acting, cinematography, soundtrack, most of the props and designs, are all decent. Story and character development are trash. Depending on where you stand, I can see people get a lot of entertainment out of this show. There has clearly been effort put into it. I just don't think it's enough.

It takes more of CGI and Soundtrack to make the show half-decent.

The acting and cinematography are terrible, If you actually pay attention thee is awful shots and nonsense cut from one scene to another. Grant it, we know thy after they released the behind the scenes, when they had a small space doing the scenes, so there isn't an inspiring shot of the place. But mind you, This is the show with slow-motion Galadriel riding a horse, that is haunting, i don't even want to search the image to put here

If you take away Diza, Durin, Elrod and the orc guy no one acted well. four people acting half-decent does not make the show half decent.

After knowing they filmed the fight scene with galadriel in numenor in one day nd were proud of it and the numenor armor, i doubt they rly put much effort

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Oh no! Do people like something you don't like?

did you liked?

[Skulltaker]

"In an interview with Deadline, Vernon Sanders, Head of Global TV for Amazon Studios, says the financial bet “has more than paid off.” He addresses the success of the show on Prime Video — where it broke records for most global viewers in its first day (25 million) and overall (more than 100 million), for minutes streamed (24 billion) and signups worldwide during its launch window, attracted younger viewers (record number of adults 18-34 for a Prime Video original) and affluent audiences (40% coming from households with income greater than $100,000) — and beyond, boosting Amazon’s sales of J.R.R. Tolkien books on which the series was based."

Well-quoted. And exactly nothing in there tells you anything of value.

Most global views, most overall views, minutes streamed - all good for them. By how much did the show beat the incumbent shows? And what did these shows cost, compared to Rings of Power? If you beat whatever show holds the respective titles by 5 %, but your show cost 50% more, that's a net loss, even though you broke records.

This is a regular old sales pitch, and nothing else. It doesn't tell you anything of substance. Without context, all of his talk, even the statement that the 'bet has paid off', means nothing.

See what I mean?

[rhorle]

Hard numbers, for example. Literally, nothing he says in the interview gives you any idea of how well the show did. Go through the answers step by step and you'll see that he avoids giving definitive answers. Which is normal for a corporate guy, of course.

Breaking records isn't an indication of how well the show did? Having a big draw in high income houses isn't a marker of success? Having a big draw among young people isn't a marker of success? You would find some way to tear down any numbers he gave and come up with a new reason why the "definitive answers" are not really definitive. Every time something is posted that hints at success you, and others, bend over backwards in your effort to explain why it really isn't "good news" for the show.

[Skulltaker]

Breaking records isn't an indication of how well the show did? Having a big draw in high income houses isn't a marker of success? Having a big draw among young people isn't a marker of success? You would find some way to tear down any numbers he gave and come up with a new reason why the "definitive answers" are not really definitive. Every time something is posted that hints at success you, and others, bend over backwards in your effort to explain why it really isn't "good news" for the show.

No, it isn't, because context matters, something I've explained to you many times, and also something that you deliberately chose to ignore every single time.

There's also nothing in that interview that says it has a huge draw among young people or high income houses, that's you once more lying about what was said to suit your narrative.

The interview only mentioned that it has a 'record breaking number of young adults for a Prime show'. So, mostly yound adults watch high fantasy. Shocker. And it could also be any number of young adults in between everyone on the planet that fits that description, and two. That's a pretty wide margin there. If you don't know what the record for a Prime show is, and what the average is, it's not indicative of anything at all. All this tells you is that Amazon broke an internal record, which is good for them, but says nothing about how well that show performs.

Same goes for the 40% of affluent households. What exactly is that supposed to tell you? 40% of all viewers? Cool. How many is that? And what's the percentile of these households in Prime in general? Here's a funny little number to go along with that, households making above 100k in the US make up 34% of all US households.

Throwing numbers around is fun, but without context, they don't mean anything. Sanders tells us they initially reported a hundred million viewers, and that millions saw the show after that. Cool. That's a 1 digit percentile increase after the initial run, and still leaves them VERY short of even reaching everyone who is already subscribed to Prime. He tells us that the show saw a record in new subscriptions to watch it. Cool. What's the record, or rather how many is that?

The entire interview is nothing but PR talk. Which doesn't tell you anything, it's just supposed to sound impressive. Which is fine. There's nothing in that interview that tells you that the show performed well.