Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

Amazon is going for God of War next. Same showrunner as Wheel of Time.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/god...on-1235460972/

Maybe the involvement of Santa Monica, Sony and Playstation might be the saving grace?

Holy shit, this have colossal chances of being a fucking disaster.

How can you get someone who do wheel of time to do another show is beyond, me, why are they going for this, and why do the 2018 game and not the first one?

Like, they are the guys who axed Conan series because it was "too manly", how can they do something with Kratos, let alone in a game about patriarchy, lmao

[SpaghettiMonk]

At best you can argue that he pushed what was already struggling for balance over the edge, and even that's a stretch. There are better ways to get into influential positions than cheating your way into them. And given the state of the rest of the story, that's just a level of finesse that I don't see the writers have. A far simpler explanaition is probably that the initial meetings determined 'big Sauron reveal at the end', and then they constructed the story to that point backwards. It shows. It's a common issue with shows these days. You can immediately tell that they had the ending in mind ahead of planning the journey. Which, in itself isn't an issue, if you have the skills to properly do that. If not, you end up with a non-sensical story that has glaring issues left right and center.

That’s what happened at the end of game of thrones. A lot of weak stitching at the seams of the plot. They knew where they wante to end up so took shortcuts to get there.

“Capture a wight to prove it to Cersei” was really “crap, we already rescued Bran from the north so we need to manufacture some reason for them to go back up there so the Night King gets a dragon.”

There’s a reason it takes writers so long to write this stuff (although GRRM gets excessive).

[crusadernero]

Holy shit, this have colossal chances of being a fucking disaster.

How can you get someone who do wheel of time to do another show is beyond, me, why are they going for this, and why do the 2018 game and not the first one?

Like, they are the guys who axed Conan series because it was "too manly", how can they do something with Kratos, let alone in a game about patriarchy, lmao

Kratos can be a woman, or a man that identifies as a woman. He can be a "complicated" character. OR they can tone down his masculinity. He can have a different skin color to. His son can instead be a daugther that has a much bigger role. I mean, the options are really endless.

That was just to "put it on the spot", but you know what I mean. Changes will be made.

I have literally zero faith in someone that made LOTR & WoT. Maybe below zero.

[Biomega]

He can have a different skin color to.

Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

[bledgor]

Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

Only issue with Judge is he is getting a bit older, which I suppose is fine they are starting with the later God of War, but if they want to start fresh he is what almost 60? Is 60?

[Biomega]

Only issue with Judge is he is getting a bit older, which I suppose is fine they are starting with the later God of War, but if they want to start fresh he is what almost 60? Is 60?

58.

Not that old. Only 3 years on other action people, like idk Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. 2 years younger than Tom Cruise.

60 doesn't mean much anymore.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Holy shit, this have colossal chances of being a fucking disaster.

How can you get someone who do wheel of time to do another show is beyond, me, why are they going for this, and why do the 2018 game and not the first one?

Like, they are the guys who axed Conan series because it was "too manly", how can they do something with Kratos, let alone in a game about patriarchy, lmao

I'm curious what this means about wheel of time... Rafe can't showrun two different shows, can he?

It's mystifying - if they thought he did a good job (he didn't), why switch him to another show? If they thought he did a bad job (he did, an epically bad one), why give him another show?

[bledgor]

58.

Not that old. Only 3 years on other action people, like idk Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. 2 years younger than Tom Cruise.

60 doesn't mean much anymore.

Thing is they are starting it now, so by the time of the first season he will be 59, 60. With how shows have been taking 2 years for the sub services to produce 3-4 seasons in he will be closing in on 70, could be rough.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kratos can be a woman, or a man that identifies as a woman. He can be a "complicated" character. OR they can tone down his masculinity. He can have a different skin color to. His son can instead be a daugther that has a much bigger role. I mean, the options are really endless.

That was just to "put it on the spot", but you know what I mean. Changes will be made.

I have literally zero faith in someone that made LOTR & WoT. Maybe below zero.

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

[Syegfryed]

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

Everything you said would be bad and wrong in many levels.

The game didn't "tone down" his masculinity, it removed his aggressive and homicide behaviour, you can argue those are "masculinity traits, but isn't. They can't change his skin color, him being bone white is crucial to the character, if you said his original skin color should change, it should not either. And giving daughter would completely remove a big chunk of meaning of the game and would actually ruin the contrast, because it would not be a contrast anymore since he had a daughter previously.

[crusadernero]

Don't know why were talking about Got in this thread but what ever

toning down is masculinity is pretty much the whole point of god of war 2018, trying to teach his son to not be the masculine image of the Spartans. Changing his skin color would also be a fine idea given that he was originally intended to be black and the whole ashes thing should over ride that any way. even giving him a daughter instead for a time is a good idea to build the contrast of his first child and his second.

See, everything is up for grabs.

I would highly recommend everyone who is a fan of the GoW series to not expect anything from this show. Especially dont think it will hold true to the games setup & story.

btw, I have never understood why we gotta take something that is creative & already made(like GoT & lotr) and change it up SO much and shoehorn it into a small box with checklists.

How about.. You know, create something new? Why take GoW and change it up alot(lets pretend they do) in the first place? Why even pick it up and make a tv show out of it?

Why not create a new show? With new characters. With theyre own story, with theyre own backgrounds and all that.

It would be way more genuine if they actually did that instead of taking something established and twist it into theyre own image.

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Personally, I have zero objections to just have Christopher Judge play Kratos in a TV series

With the spelling changed to Krato'c, because indeed.

Sure, I dont mind at all. If it works, it works.

[Syegfryed]

Just to keep up with the topic, im hearing people talking bout this year awards for audience choices, seems like Rings of power didn't got shit, and seems like it looks worse for critics choice awards

with bit of salt, since i don't follow this stuff

[Smallfruitbat]

Was house-sitting this weekend and binged the series on someone else's Prime account. What an absolute pile of shit. The pacing was awful, the characters mostly unlikeable and the "writing" was beyond embarrassing. This has to be a money laundering exercise; surely no one would intentionally let this sort of crap out in the wild and worse still, market it.

[rhorle]

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/e...e-rings-of-p-6

The show has a new lead director. Charlotte Brandstorm is replacing Wayne Che Yip. She did episdoe 6 and 7 in Season 1 and will be doing 4 episodes in season 2. She is the only director to be kept from Season 1 as Amazon has hired two new ones for a total of 3 directors for season 2(same as season 1 had).

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Just to keep up with the topic, im hearing people talking bout this year awards for audience choices, seems like Rings of power didn't got shit, and seems like it looks worse for critics choice awards

Do you have a link for audience choice awards information? All I've seen is a single nomination for the 2023 Critics choice but nothing about any other award show/ceremonies.

[Kumorii]

Just to keep up with the topic, im hearing people talking bout this year awards for audience choices, seems like Rings of power didn't got shit, and seems like it looks worse for critics choice awards

with bit of salt, since i don't follow this stuff

Doesn't surprise me. They are axing people after all.
Only one left after season 1. Charlotte did episode 6-7 which was a huge battle and the aftermath. Frankly the best episodes, though little happened due to battle and even that one has problems. But it also contains Galadriels character growth... problem is that the other didn't get the memo that she should have some sort of growth so it felt out of place.

[Skulltaker]

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/e...e-rings-of-p-6

The show has a new lead director. Charlotte Brandstorm is replacing Wayne Che Yip. She did episdoe 6 and 7 in Season 1 and will be doing 4 episodes in season 2. She is the only director to be kept from Season 1 as Amazon has hired two new ones for a total of 3 directors for season 2(same as season 1 had).

"Yes, our ship is doing very well, thank you. No reason for concern. Oh, btw, we fired the captain and promoted the helmsman to his position, and we also let go all the other senior officers. We're doing great. Now, where is this... England?"

[Zalraki]

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/e...e-rings-of-p-6

The show has a new lead director. Charlotte Brandstorm is replacing Wayne Che Yip. She did episdoe 6 and 7 in Season 1 and will be doing 4 episodes in season 2. She is the only director to be kept from Season 1 as Amazon has hired two new ones for a total of 3 directors for season 2(same as season 1 had).

All female staff now so you know they're going to double down on all the messages that made the first season so 'great'...

[rhorle]

All female staff now so you know they're going to double down on all the messages that made the first season so 'great'...

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post something stupid about the directors being all female.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Everything you said would be bad and wrong in many levels.

The game didn't "tone down" his masculinity, it removed his aggressive and homicide behaviour, you can argue those are "masculinity traits, but isn't. They can't change his skin color, him being bone white is crucial to the character, if you said his original skin color should change, it should not either. And giving daughter would completely remove a big chunk of meaning of the game and would actually ruin the contrast, because it would not be a contrast anymore since he had a daughter previously.

Everything you said would be bad and wrong in many levels.

Kratos’s masculine traits doesn’t stop at aggression or homicide behaviour pre 2018. He sleeps with any woman he gets the chance, can’t deal or find support for his poor mental health, and cant only express him self in any way other then violence and doesn't know how to be a good father due to his Spartan up brining.

Kratos is a progress from pretty much every toxic part of masculinity to a lot of positive parts though with some issues hanging on.

And as I said the ashes override the original skin colour but even if they didn’t Kratos was originally suppose to be black and had a model based off his Vo before they scarped it. And while he might not be black in the game he surly isn’t a white dude.

And if there only adapting the 2018 game there would be no screen time of said daughter that’s why it would be good to show her for a time and his pre Spartan life and both 2018 and ragnarok give you nothing on her other then a throw away comment to Frye and you can’t build a contrast between his children if you only ever see one on screen.

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See, everything is up for grabs.

I would highly recommend everyone who is a fan of the GoW series to not expect anything from this show. Especially dont think it will hold true to the games setup & story.

If your a fan of the series you shouldn’t have expected any thing once they said it was going to be based off 2018.

What they should do is mixed in Gow1 ghost of Sparta and ascension into one to start with so you can get kratos full backstory with his brother and every thing before going into a shorter god of war 2-3 with chains of Olympus mixed in so you can see kratos have to give up Calliope which would make every thing with atreus hit much harder.

But if they are gonna ignore all of that and just do 2018 they should still give some time to Calliope before Atreus and changing his skin colour pre ashes really isn’t gonna matter at all.

[kenn9530]

I'm curious what this means about wheel of time... Rafe can't showrun two different shows, can he?

It's mystifying - if they thought he did a good job (he didn't), why switch him to another show? If they thought he did a bad job (he did, an epically bad one), why give him another show?

Its only your opinion that someone has done a bad job, its not an actual fact since the proof doesnt add up in both WoT and RoP, both shows are rated high so the proof is actually both shows done more than good enough, come back to reality once in a while.