Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[rhorle]

Hummmm, A company selling their product, i wonder if they will say it is amazing, no matter how bad it is, so other people buy it, or they will be truthful

So then you are aware that a person that really hates the show might not the best judge either, right? Are you that self aware? Why would Amazon need to keep "selling" Rings of Power? They just move on to the next series like The Peripheral or Jack Ryan season 3 (which just came out today). They aren't selling Rings of Power. They are selling Prime Video and by extension the entire Amazon ecosystem.

[Skulltaker]

Success is relative, that's the core take away here. There is no objectively good or bad when it comes to something like this. It's a very nuanced subject. Amazon can consider it successful while individuals consider it not to be, and both could be true too because the metrics for success are different. Success isn't an objective value.

Bingo. If Amazon achieved their goals, they'll call it a success. If others, especially in the industry, would call a show that lost money, failed to get traction on social media, didn't get any awards despite the massive funding (for now) and recieved mediocre responses from critics and audiences... ah well.

He's only here to shitpost.

Best to ignore him, because nothing you say will actually get through to him. He's just gonna troll you and twist everything to fit his narrative. There's no sense in talking to him, because he's completely intentionally arguing senselessly.

I know, but it's fun to watch him struggle and try.

That still isn't direct though. Because they are subscribing to either Prime Video or Amazon Prime.

So, what you're saying is that people don't subscribe to RoP, and the Amazon exec who pointed out that the show generated new subs for them is lying...? Interesting take, but I don't think the facts support your statement.

That fee goes to a lot of different things. Amazon only has ads for their Freevee (formerly IMDB TV) platform. Shows on Prime Video generate no direct revenue. We know from leaks that Amazon uses the show first watched after sign ups to apply one of their metrics for earnings.

The shows the people sign up to Prime video for and pay money don't create revenue. That's a fascinating take there.

Rings of Power wasn't shoddy work though.

Debatable in many aspects, especially considering the budget.

You even called it half-decent.

Correct, but that doesn't mean good, or that it doesn't have terrible aspects about it that can absolutely be considered shoddy work, from cheap-looking props and sets to a terrible story.

Amazon has stated they are happy with it and happy with the return on investment from it. Their words imply that there is no financial loss since the cost was been more than paid off.

Nope, that's you taking a deliberatly ambiguous statement to mean something that suits your narrative.

My analogy wasn't poor.

Yes it was. They all are, btw, so at least you're consistant.

That is at least one case of you trying to say the show wasn't successful for Amazon.

No, it isn't. It's merely you not being able to process a statement properly. Just because a show breaks records or performs better than other shows doesn't mean it's a success, or more successful. That's the entire statement there. If Amazon considers it a success, again, good for them. Goals achieved, apparently.

You've done more by calling things PR talk rather then statements of success. The current discussion is about you trying to argue why statements of success are not actually statements of success.

No, I haven't. 'PR statements' mean just that, and the two aren't mutually exclusive. Please don't try to tell me what I said or meant, you're neither psychic nor are you smart enough to interpret what other people said.

The current discussion is about you trying to argue why statements of success are not actually statements of success.

Again, please refrain from making statements about my intentions, you lack the qualification to do so. If you cannot proces information given to you, that's your problem, don't try to unload the burden of your restrictions onto me.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth.

Yes, you are, see above.

I haven't misrepresented any of the facts.

Yes, you have, see above.

You just don't like the facts.

No, I just don't like you lying.

Are you that self aware? Why would Amazon need to keep "selling" Rings of Power? They just move on to the next series like The Peripheral or Jack Ryan season 3 (which just came out today). They aren't selling Rings of Power. They are selling Prime Video and by extension the entire Amazon ecosystem.

Yes, but Rings of Power and Prime Video are kind of inseparable. Can't get one without the other. And Prime Video doesn't give you access to the Amazon ecosystem, you can have that for free.

Run out of arguments, substitute with emojis. Yeah, you're here for the discussion, one can easily tell that.

and how do you know that?

Because Amazon said so and they have nothing to gain and everything to lose from lying in public statements.

Again, why is dishonest to think this? The idea of majority of the new prime subs in December is because a shit how like rings of power is far more dishonest than just thinking the obvious: people buy more stuff in Christmas.

Just for your education, the bolded part, that's a strawman, because you keep using that word, but I'm not certain you understand what it means.

Nobody said anything about a majority. You claiming that people didn't sub for RoP, and only subbed for Xmas sales, is dishonest.

Im being an ass because i said "bad" things about the show, because i made some minor grammar error or because im saying the prime subs they got a month after the show aired have nothing to do with the show? you have to be more specific

You're being an ass with your general demeanor. The 'minor' mistakes you made have nothing to do with it. Saying prime subs they got a month after the show aired doesn't make you an ass, it just makes you wrong.

"im not doing a strawman you are stupid and pathetic"

Well, you evidently don't know what a strawman is, and yet you keep throwing that word around. That doesmake you look stupid.

I'm off for the holidays, see you all next year =)

[Syegfryed]

Run out of arguments, substitute with emojis. Yeah, you're here for the discussion, one can easily tell that.

You know, in case you want something different of "Run out of arguments you can also mention grammar."

Because Amazon said so

Done, truth right there. If Amazon said, is true. Companies don't lie neither tell half-truths not manipulate shit.

Just for your education, the bolded part, that's a strawman, because you keep using that word, but I'm not certain you understand what it means.

You keep confirming my point, its amazing.

Nobody said anything about a majority. You claiming that people didn't sub for RoP, and only subbed for Xmas sales, is dishonest.

I didn't said it was ONLY for it though? Im sure you can find one or two randoms who patiently waited almost two months later close to holydays to sub and watch it, after the amazing good reviews the show had(sarcasm here btw).

Dishonesty is saying people who sub two months later because holydays/Christmas are doing that because the show, or saying the spike in the subs this time of the year is due to the show success.

You're being an ass with your general demeanor. The 'minor' mistakes you made have nothing to do with it. Saying prime subs they got a month after the show aired doesn't make you an ass, it just makes you wrong.

My general dementor!

I'm off for the holidays, see you all next year =)

Probably because the rings of power success.

[rhorle]

So, what you're saying is that people don't subscribe to RoP, and the Amazon exec who pointed out that the show generated new subs for them is lying...? Interesting take, but I don't think the facts support your statement.

Not even close. It seems strange for someone so quick to label others lying or dishonest to blatantly cover both. Amazon has their own metrics which is how they label a show generating new subscriptions. That show still isn't directly generating anything because the subscription fee covers a bunch of different stuff. The entire reason why Amazon needs to use such a metric is because the shows don't directly generate revenue. There are no ads. There are no box office sales. Every streamer does calculations like this in order to "make money" when in the end each piece of content viewed for an entire month shares the same revenue for that month.

Amazon said the show was a success. That it broke records that they previous viewed as successful. That means it is a success. The only one lying and having trouble processing things here is yourself. For whatever reason you refuse to allow the show to be successful. It is also silly to say that in order to sell Prime Video that Amazon has to keep selling Rings of Power.

No, I just don't like you lying.

This is where we know you are lying to yourself and dishonest as all get out. I'm merely repeating the facts that Amazon has stated themselves. You don't like those facts so you put your fingers in your ears and shout "You're lying" at the top of your lungs.

[Tentim]

So then you are aware that a person that really hates the show might not the best judge either, right? Are you that self aware? Why would Amazon need to keep "selling" Rings of Power? They just move on to the next series like The Peripheral or Jack Ryan season 3 (which just came out today). They aren't selling Rings of Power. They are selling Prime Video and by extension the entire Amazon ecosystem.

They paid a ton of money in advance... they are stuck with it around their necks and need to recoup losses. It's why the most believed rumor atm is that they are just going to try and relaunch it rather then continue the plot.

[rhorle]

They paid a ton of money in advance... they are stuck with it around their necks and need to recoup losses. It's why the most believed rumor atm is that they are just going to try and relaunch it rather then continue the plot.

They paid $250 million for the rights. $465 million for season 1. Amazon makes billions monthly. They are not stuck with anything around their necks and they can easily write off the losses. There are no believable rumors because most of them are heavily biased towards hating on the show. Something that doesn't carry over to Amazon from all accounts. They've even started filming season 2 which I doubt would happen if they had to "re-launch" everything. The recent statements from the head of global TV also indicates they are continuing from the season 1 story.

[Rennadrel]

They paid a ton of money in advance... they are stuck with it around their necks and need to recoup losses. It's why the most believed rumor atm is that they are just going to try and relaunch it rather then continue the plot.

The irony is that they replaced the first pair of showrunners with two that are also equally as incompetent. Those guys at least had inexperience as an excuse, their replacements don't. One worked on that abysmal WoT show and the other I think worked on The Witcher, so that should give you an indicator of how garbage the next season is also going to be. Hollywood has a massive nepotism problem and needs to purge itself of these garbage writing and production teams for good, along with the people hiring these talentless hacks.

[rhorle]

The irony is that they replaced the first pair of showrunners with two that are also equally as incompetent.

They didn't replace the showrunners, yet. J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay are still the ones running the show. They changed the directors. Fired two including the lead director. Promoted one to lead director and hired two new ones. It is crazy how much misinformation there is from the crowd who "dislikes" the show. They follow just enough to confirm their hate but don't actually care about getting information correct because truth never was the fuel anyways.

[Syegfryed]

They didn't replace the showrunners, yet. J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay are still the ones running the show. They changed the directors. Fired two including the lead director. Promoted one to lead director and hired two new ones. It is crazy how much misinformation there is from the crowd who "dislikes" the show. They follow just enough to confirm their hate but don't actually care about getting information correct because truth never was the fuel anyways.

"they didn't fire then, then are just not doing shit anymore"

Of course then can't openly fire then, that would make the show /mazon look bad, save face, is how those companies re working nowadays.

[rhorle]

"they didn't fire then, then are just not doing shit anymore" Of course then can't openly fire then, that would make the show /mazon look bad, save face, is how those companies re working nowadays.

They have yet to be moved from their positions. You are confusing rumors with reality. It is also strange how you say Amazon will look bad when you already believe they look bad for making Rings of Power they way they have. If the show is as terrible as you claim wouldn't getting rid of those responsible improve the image? As always the hate is full of contradiction and misinformation.

[Dhrizzle]

I am one of these posters. It's upsetting to me that they can just take an IP I love, irredeemably twist it into something unrecognizable, and hope that casual fans who don't know any better will make up for the people who actually like the ip.

It definitely isn't unrecognisable, Rings of Power definitely felt like it fit after the War of Wrath and before the Last Alliance even if the events don't match Tolkien's versions of events.

[Syegfryed]

They have yet to be moved from their positions. You are confusing rumors with reality. It is also strange how you say Amazon will look bad when you already believe they look bad for making Rings of Power they way they have

They already lost the reigns of the show, their position is maintained to save face. They already look bad, but to admit they did was bad, is worse for then.

If the show is as terrible as you claim wouldn't getting rid of those responsible improve the image? As always the hate is full of contradiction and misinformation.

It would, but To admit you hire an incompetent/bad person for the job is to admit you are bad yourself since you did the call, you made the move

And you know what would be even better? not hire untalented people and aprove an awful story in the first place. If people like get can get those jobs, you know how they can stick around, connections, contacts, save face.

[rhorle]

It would, but To admit you hire an incompetent/bad person for the job is to admit you are bad yourself since you did the call, you made the move

And yet they replaced two directors which included the lead director. Your logic doesn't work because Amazon has already taken actions that you claim they would not. All you are doing is grasping at straws and calling rumors real. They have not announced that the show runners have lost "the reigns".

[niztheundead87]

It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all.

[Shadowferal]

Okay...that was cute.

[Ihavewaffles]

Lol love it

[MiiiMiii]

I think the biggest mistake of the TV show is making it so many storylines at the same time.

LotR was simple. Get the ring to Mordor and burn it. Get past and kill the monsters.

This show first episode introduces like 6 different storylines where they talk about a bunch of stuff BEFORE we even see them. Just keep it a bit more straight forward. I don't want to memorize 30 different names and stories in 1 episode.

The first scenes of the show is the best part, chasing Sauron. Then goes bigtime downhill after that.

But hey I only watched 2 episodes before losing interest could get better.

[Syegfryed]

https://www.theringer.com/2022/12/27...-patrick-mckay

How The Ringer has fallen. Started as an outsider with a lot of snark, now a mouthpiece for Amazon. Not a single mention in this article of the show’s mediocre reception. Old school Ringer would have made deep dives into the controversy. New school Ringer is too interested in finding its replacement GoT to do that.

Funny thing i, amazon had their GoT, the people who did House of the Dragon were going to do a Conan series, it would be way more bonkers than GoT, but the show was axed because it was too manly

There is a lot of controversy around this show behind the scenes, most re rumors, but seems like the people who originated got the rights for the show, the one who wanted to do something decent, were kicked out, then they fired more people, and start replacing stuff, as he show was not going to be about Galadriel at all

[rhorle]

There is a lot of controversy around this show behind the scenes, most re rumors, but seems like the people who originated got the rights for the show, the one who wanted to do something decent, were kicked out, then they fired more people, and start replacing stuff, as he show was not going to be about Galadriel at all

Do you have actual information to back up the claim that Amazon fired the "originals" and that their vision was going to be super awesome? Or are you just making crap up again and believing anything against the current show that is said online? By chance to you visit boundintocomics? The clear RoP hate-speech site.

[Shadowferal]

Do you have actual information to back up the claim that Amazon fired the "originals" and that their vision was going to be super awesome? Or are you just making crap up again and believing anything against the current show that is said online? By chance to you visit boundintocomics? The clear RoP hate-speech site.

Why would you care? Truth nor facts aren't something you care about. Bezos could come out and say this series is canceled and return the rights to the Tolkien Estate and you'd still deny it happened.