Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

Don't forget, Kenn also says LOTR wasn't a popular book series until the movies. These are his facts.

Straight up delusions, Lotr was one of, if not THE, most read book before the movies(excluding the bible ofc)

[rhorle]

Straight up delusions, Lotr was one of, if not THE, most read book before the movies(excluding the bible ofc)

It is impossible to prove how many times a book has been read but I doubt Lord of the Rings is the 1st ignoring holy books (the Bible and Qur'an are usually top 2). In the top 10? Sure. Don Quixote claims to have sold at least 500 million copies though I'm not sure how a book from the 1600's is accurately tracked.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Straight up delusions, Lotr was one of, if not THE, most read book before the movies(excluding the bible ofc)

The problem is that people are letting him gradually move the goalposts - he did start out by saying it was not that popular and "niche", now he's moved to "more books sold after the movies than before" because he's by now realized his first argument is utterly untenable so it's just time to distract you with a different one.

Stick to the first argument and don't let the discussion get sidetracked - Kenn said that Lord of the Rings, one of the most popular books in the 20th century, was never popular until the movies. A ridiculous statement that is utterly indefensible (like most of his lore posts). The rest that he's saying now is just a smokescreen to distract us from that.

[BeepBoo]

If more ppl like something than hate it that makes it good

Oh, you mean an Ad Populum fallacy?

No. Just because a lot of people like something doesn't mean it is "objectively good." You just don't understand what objectivity is.

[kenn9530]

Straight up delusions, Lotr was one of, if not THE, most read book before the movies(excluding the bible ofc)

It sold less than 25 million copies before the films so you are having delusions, 125 million plus is because of the films.

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It seems you are unable to read, this debunks all your information since there is no article that actually states pre film sales, you are just talking BS as usual and making an assumption without relevant information since all data is from after the first films release.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181120...249-story.html

Clay Harper remembers the first time he saw a screening of the New Line Cinema adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. It was the late fall of 2001, and the first of the three Peter Jackson-directed Tolkien films was set to open Dec. 17.

"I was a basket case," Harper says. "I'd seen the trailer and clips, of course. The buzz was there. But still ... you just never know. I was hopeful, but I had my fingers crossed."

As a fan of Tolkien's epic saga for more than 25 years, he had a book lover's anxiety about seeing a favorite work through the eyes of someone else. Was New Zealand really going to look like Middle-Earth? Was Ian McKellan the best choice to play Gandalf? How much of the book had been cut?

As publisher Houghton Mifflin's Tolkien projects director, Harper also had a lot on the line professionally. Houghton Mifflin, the official U.S. publisher of Tolkien's work for more than 60 years, had paid a hefty sum to acquire the rights to the movie tie-in volumes. What if the film trilogy was a disaster? Would they lose an entire generation of potential readers?

"Just in case, we put the new editions out early before the movie so we could sell as many copies as possible," he says. "And to New Line's great credit, they did a great job of encouraging people to read Tolkien."

As it turned out, they also had made a great movie. And it paid off for Houghton Mifflin.

"In the history of the company, there have only been two million-copy best sellers," Harper says. "One was Tolkien's The Silmarillion in 1977, and the other was The Lord of the Rings in 2001."

What has happened since this has been "phenomenal," he says. "Because the movies come out late in the year, the sales spill over into the next. The books just keep selling, and we're not done yet."

The latest addition -- and edition -- to the Tolkien publishing program (dozens of volumes by Tolkien, about Tolkien, about the movies, etc., plus readers guides, calendars and gift books) is a $20 collectible one-volume paperback. The cover features the Dark Lord Sauron's gloved hand with an embossed ring -- as in the "One Ring to rule them all/ One Ring to find them, /One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" legend, which appears in its entirety on a color frontispiece. The deluxe edition also has flaps that fold out to show color versions of the original maps of Middle-Earth.

"These maps have been in the hardcover, but we wanted to do something special for the final film," Harper says. "The one-volume movie tie-in is the cornerstone of the Tolkien publishing program."

More than 2 million copies of the one-volume trade paperback have been sold in the United States the past three years. More than 25 million Tolkien-related books have been sold.

"That's just in the U.S.," Harper says. "Tolkien has been a cultural phenomenon for years. The Lord of the Rings has sold 50 million copies worldwide. But there's been nothing like the audience growth we've experienced coinciding with the new movies. I know of no other publishing experience like it."


Peter Jackson

[SpaghettiMonk]

In responding to the nonsense, I starting doing some searches from the appendix of the Lord of the Rings. I think it's if anything been underestimated how handicapped they are by making this entire series based on like 10-20 pages of appendices. People thought the Hobbit had trouble because it was making 10 hours of movie based on one short book. This is a laughably larger undertaking, and it's also kind of laughable how the rights seem to work.

For example, the name "Finrod" does appear in the appendices, and it seems that because he appears, they can make up anything they want about him and put it in the show. Other prominent names like "Annatar" and "Fingolfin" don't exist anywhere, so they can't be used.

There's a huge story here that we haven't been told about how the rights are actually working. Like, if the Tolkien estate actually "approved" of this series, it's clear that the writers wouldn't have been so restricted. What I would guess is that Amazon realized that the original lord of the rings contained a lot of info about other eras and characters, and decided to go whole hog on interpreting those rights as widely as possible to make another series. The Tolkien estate was involved purely in order to negotiate what was and wasn't allowed, and then this travesty went forward.

[rhorle]

Like, if the Tolkien estate actually "approved" of this series, it's clear that the writers wouldn't have been so restricted.

The Tolkien Estate has a seat on the creative table and veto power if things get to close to things they have deemed forbidden or things the rights do not cover. It has been widely reported that the Estate was okay with reinvention as long as it kept the spirit of Tolkien's work.

[bledgor]

You guys need to stop responding to kenn, he is trolling, I have already posted a soruce for the books selling more than the bullshit he is shilling, not to mention the sheer amount of things LotR inspiried, including ALL of modern fantasy, he is not worth your time.

[kenn9530]

You guys need to stop responding to kenn, he is trolling, I have already posted a soruce for the books selling more than the bullshit he is shilling, not to mention the sheer amount of things LotR inspiried, including ALL of modern fantasy, he is not worth your time.

Your source never stated when the sales actually happened, the one i just provided proves you wrong with no room for any doubt, try again with your incorrect information.

You already lost the argument about the sales numbers.

[SpaghettiMonk]

You guys need to stop responding to kenn, he is trolling, I have already posted a soruce for the books selling more than the bullshit he is shilling, not to mention the sheer amount of things LotR inspiried, including ALL of modern fantasy, he is not worth your time.

Agreed. Unfortunately some of the threads on this site end up getting dominated by a single troll just messing with the entire conversation. This thread has two - Rhorle and Kenn.

[rhorle]

Agreed. Unfortunately some of the threads on this site end up getting dominated by a single troll just messing with the entire conversation. This thread has two - Rhorle and Kenn.

The only one messing with the entire conversation here is yourself. You keep going off-topic to talk about certain posters. Just put both of us on ignore and you won't have worry about seeing our posts.

[MiiiMiii]

I think the story in this show is way too conveluted and hard to follow. I enjoyed the opening sequence with the expedition to find the eye. Then they jumput to a bunch of different characters talking about stuff I had no clue about.

I understand it's supposed to be a TV show that last a very long time, so the story has to be kinda long and complex.

I really think the show would benefit from the editors changing the storylines from this "let's check in on 6 different storylines in an episode" to just having 6 episodes that focus on 1 character at a time.

Too late for that I guess.

Not my cup of tea.

[Shadowferal]

Lord of the Rings actor Bernard Hill says ‘money-making’ Rings of Power is ‘not the real thing’

Starring in one of the most successful JRR Tolkien adaptations of all time does not automatically mean you will like what comes next – and Bernard Hill is proof of this.

The actor, who played King Theoden in Peter Jacksons’ trilogy (2001-03), has criticised Amazon Prime Video’s high-budget series, calling it “a money-making venture”.

Hill told Metro in a new interview: “I’m not interested in watching that or being in it.”

He added: “Good luck to them and all that stuff, but it’s not like the real thing.”

When asked if Jackson’s film series should have put an end to further Lord of the Rings adaptations, Hill, 77, replied: “Completely, yes.”

He even said Jackson was “pushing it” by turning The Hobbit into three films.

[Syegfryed]

Lord of the Rings actor Bernard Hill says ‘money-making’ Rings of Power is ‘not the real thing’

Starring in one of the most successful JRR Tolkien adaptations of all time does not automatically mean you will like what comes next – and Bernard Hill is proof of this.

The actor, who played King Theoden in Peter Jacksons’ trilogy (2001-03), has criticised Amazon Prime Video’s high-budget series, calling it “a money-making venture”.

Hill told Metro in a new interview: “I’m not interested in watching that or being in it.”

He added: “Good luck to them and all that stuff, but it’s not like the real thing.”

When asked if Jackson’s film series should have put an end to further Lord of the Rings adaptations, Hill, 77, replied: “Completely, yes.”

He even said Jackson was “pushing it” by turning The Hobbit into three films.

Lucid man, now he will be attacked by all the isms like the rest of the fans are.

And i still think this was just a money laundry show that backfired astronomically

[rhorle]

Some new cast and one re-cast has been announced as well as some information about the shows "success".

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/e...e-rings-of-p-4

The new cast members are: Gabriel Akuwudike, Yasen ‘Zates’ Atour, Ben Daniels, Amelia Kenworthy, Nia Towle, and Nicholas Woodeson. The role of Orc leader “Adar” has been recast for Season Two, and will be played by Sam Hazeldine.


The first season of The Rings of Power has been an unprecedented success, viewed by more than 100 million people worldwide, with more than 24 billion minutes streamed. The highly anticipated series attracted more than 25 million global viewers on its first day, marking the biggest premiere in the history of Prime Video, and also debuted as the No. 1 show on Nielsen’s overall streaming chart in its opening weekend. The show has also broken all previous Prime Video records for the most viewers, and has driven more Prime sign-ups worldwide during its launch window than any other previous content. Additionally, The Rings of Power is the top Original series in every region—North America, Europe, APAC, LATAM, and the rest of the world. The season finale also created a global cultural moment, with multiple series-themed hashtags, including #TheRingsofPower and others, trending in 27 countries across Twitter for over 426 cumulative hours throughout the weekend.

[druchii5]

Big oof about the recasting of Adar--one of the few interesting characters in the show for me.

[Triceron]

Big oof about the recasting of Adar--one of the few interesting characters in the show for me.

Adar is one of the better performances in this show. I really hope the new guy is able to fill the shoes.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Adar is one of the better performances in this show. I really hope the new guy is able to fill the shoes.

Good performance but he’s in the wrong show. Tolkien’s orcs are irredeemable. I don’t need morally grey orcs, and I suspect that’s what we’re gonna get in season 2 - some sort of power struggle between Adar the “good” orc and Sauron that ends with Sauron beating Adar and bringing the Orcs back to evil.

[Triceron]

Good performance but he’s in the wrong show. Tolkien’s orcs are irredeemable. I don’t need morally grey orcs, and I suspect that’s what we’re gonna get in season 2 - some sort of power struggle between Adar the “good” orc and Sauron that ends with Sauron beating Adar and bringing the Orcs back to evil.

To be honest, this series is so far removed from LOTR lore that I don't consider it the same thing at all.

It's Shadows of Mordor/War level of doing its own thing. So in that respect, I'm all in for the Adar plotline as long as they can keep it interesting. I think there's plenty of potential there. Much more than whatever they were thinking with the Stranger and the mystics.

I'd definitely be interested in seeing what they do with Rhun though, even if this series is a mess. I still like what they did with the set designs and location work.

[Syegfryed]

Some new cast and one re-cast has been announced as well as some information about the shows "success".

https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/e...e-rings-of-p-4

The new cast members are: Gabriel Akuwudike, Yasen ‘Zates’ Atour, Ben Daniels, Amelia Kenworthy, Nia Towle, and Nicholas Woodeson. The role of Orc leader “Adar” has been recast for Season Two, and will be played by Sam Hazeldine.

And why recast Adar, one of the few OK characters? and not, lets say, the entire elven and numenorian cast? LULULUL

The first season of The Rings of Power has been an unprecedented success

HAHAHAHAHA

Thanks mate, i genuinely laught out hard.

The season finale also created a global cultural moment, with multiple series-themed hashtags, including #TheRingsofPower and others, trending in 27 countries across Twitter for over 426 cumulative hours throughout the weekend.[/I]

Straight up a lie, rings of power did not "trend" and the "cultural moment was barely inexistant, it was entirely demolished by house of the dragon

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Good performance but he’s in the wrong show. Tolkien’s orcs are irredeemable.

Tolkien said they can be, everything with a mortal soul can.

He just didn't had time to expand on that concept, because well, he died. He didn't even finish orcs origins, and people just use the one his son shove into the later boooks