Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

Here is the secret, though; you don't have to watch it when it comes out.

Not sure why you're replying to me about this considering I'm fine with watching it.

It's like the Hobbit movie series to me. It's not great, but it's definitely watchable. And fan edits made it way better by cutting out the fluff.

Same goes with certain Starwars movies or series, like fan edits of Obi Wan or the prequel trilogy, or even the OT 'despecialized' versions.

[Unholyground]

Honestly I would rather more games be made about LotR than tv or movies.

[crusadernero]

I don't think what they have is unsalvageable, but they need to put a lot of work into the next seasons.

Thats quite the task. S1 was a horrorshow from beginning to the end. The only thing it had was the visuals, it looked great.

From what Amazon+directors have said, I dont think much will change.

[Syegfryed]

Given your apparent disdain for S1, I thought it would be obvious. But we all know the real reason you'll watch more, same as way too many of the other posters here, is to complain more. And the whole "argue for the sake of arguing" you keep accusing others of.

So?

If they want to watch so they can shit about the piece of crap it is, what is to you? Instead of telling people to not watch, you can simple not talk to then or ignore then, lmao.

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Thoughts on cast:

Aramayo was good
Clark - it didn't matter if she was good, the whole character was fucked either way
Vickers - fine, but I feel like Sauron should be taller
Walker - wildly miscast as Gil-Galad
Edwards - even more wildly miscast Celebrimbor
Owen - 20 years too old to be Elendil - if it takes 10 years he will be 66 at the end of the series, and supposed like the greatest human warrior in the second age at the time
Baldry - at least he's the right age for Isildur, but too much of an emo vibe for me. Also, he's short.
Arthur - good as Durin
Nomvete - good as Disa
Pharazon - who the fuck is this snivelling politician. Pharazon is a soldier. At least he's the right age for the part. On some level Pharazon is supposed to be the captain of the football team type who everyone follows even though he's an asshole. Not a master manipulator by any stretch - in fact he's supposed to get manipulated later by Sauron. Like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.

Every other main actor - I don't care, they were all shitty characters in pointless plotlines

On the cast, i think only Halbland and the dwarves actors were good.And should be kept, the rest is 100% a re-cast. Remove the hobbits and we can work on it

The guy that played Adar looked more like an elf than every other elf in the show, good for hiim that he peace the fuck out

[Kumorii]

So?

If they want to watch so they can shit about the piece of crap it is, what is to you? Instead of telling people to not watch, you can simple not talk to then or ignore then, lmao.

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On the cast, i think only Halbland and the dwarves actors were good.And should be kept, the rest is 100% a re-cast. Remove the hobbits and we can work on it

The guy that played Adar looked more like an elf than every other elf in the show, good for hiim that he peace the fuck out

I think Lloyd Owens Elendil were better than Wickers as Halbrand. I would certainly add him to that list. Bit surprised he isn't in it.

Only bad scene with him were the crying part but that's because of the hilariously bad and comedic cut to him.

Him talking to the horse had more emotion than all other actors not in that list combined through the entire season.

[Triceron]

Given your apparent disdain for S1, I thought it would be obvious. But we all know the real reason you'll watch more, same as way too many of the other posters here, is to complain more. And the whole "argue for the sake of arguing" you keep accusing others of.

That's exactly why we're both here.

What exactly do you think you are doing, Mr. Pot?

Given your disdain of anyone who criticizes the show, you will be here to interject yourself and accuse others for even daring hold a conversation about the show in any negative way

Given the clear and obvious state of the show and this thread, do you really click on the thread expecting people not to be talking shit about the show? And somehow you are surprised that this is still going on?

Don't bullshit a bullshitter. You click on the thread knowing it's gonna be people talking shit, and you gravitate towards it because you are compelled to 'correct' it. And yet nothing you're actually saying would actually accomplish what you want, because you're just... Arguing for the sake of arguing too. You're aware of this, right?

It's funny you're suggesting that people ignore something you don't like, but you can't seem to ignore the same drama that keeps you here. If you want to take your own advice, you can choose to ignore this entire thread when yiu are fully aware that people are talking about it in ways you don't like. Truth is, you're drawn to the bullshit, you just don't seem to recognize it yet.

[Triceron]

Before the rest of the hateful little clown car piles in, I'm just gonna say I'm unfortunately not getting sucked into this shit. But you at least got the above bit right, you're an awfully good bullshitter. And a super defensive one at that. Projection is certainly unbecoming.

Have a nice day, though

LOL

Says the guy who instigated this? I'm fully aware we both are arguing for the sake of arguing. That's all anyone does here really.

I'm sure you're aware you're doing the exact thing you're preaching against. That's why you're peacing out so quickly. You fucked your own reason to respond lol. But don't let me waste the time you could be spending making other pointless bullshit in the She-Hulk thread. Have a nice day too.

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And that’s the point. The show fails so spectacularly at basic things like casting that there’s not really any reason to continue.

I really don't know what they were thinking of when casting for Gil Galad and Celebrimbor. It was odd (though not that odd since this series should have been called "the misadventures of Galadriel")

[Soikona]

You would rather see Tolkien's work turned into a MCU-like franchise with a Aragorn drama and Gandalf series? That was the pitch Netflix gave. Or HBO's pitch that would essentially have remade the Jackson films.Would it be able to out do the Jackson trilogy that is so highly praised here? Somehow I think a lot of the people here wouldn't like what others do as well.

Tbf, Aragorn and Gandalf telling before the events of LOTR sounds very interesting

[Triceron]

Tbf, Aragorn and Gandalf telling before the events of LOTR sounds very interesting

Could have been a possibility too

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...ings-of-power/

"When we first went up for the job, we were told there were literally dozens of other people who were also throwing their hat in the ring, and everyone was coming in with different things," Payne said. "Amazon bought the rights to the trilogy, the appendices, and The Hobbit. They said the field was wide open—any story within that material, you could tell. So you had people pitching the Young Aragon show, or the Gimli spinoff, or other kinds of things."


I remember hearing rumors about it, and interesting to see it was actually confirmed as one of the possibilities.

[rhorle]

Tbf, Aragorn and Gandalf telling before the events of LOTR sounds very interesting

For sure. It would still need to invent its own material though so it likely wouldn't please people unless it met their ideas for the characters. Rings of Power probably would have been better if it was done like that. Have individual/character shows that then come together for the group "avengers" style show. I think only HBO's pitch would have been a disaster since it would always be a 1:1 comparison to the Jackson films.

[Dhrizzle]

For sure. It would still need to invent its own material though so it likely wouldn't please people unless it met their ideas for the characters. Rings of Power probably would have been better if it was done like that. Have individual/character shows that then come together for the group "avengers" style show. I think only HBO's pitch would have been a disaster since it would always be a 1:1 comparison to the Jackson films.

But with several series (I would imagine six, one for each book) they could actually do the novel justice.

Also I think a young Aragorn series could have been great, and it would have given a chance to show Denethor as a great, wise but isolated lord.

[Syegfryed]

And that’s the point. The show fails so spectacularly at basic things like casting that there’s not really any reason to continue.

What amuses me more is, i saw artwork for the show, that they made so they could take base off, the elves there looked like elves, had long hair and all, but things changed along the way, like i mentioned before with the changing of direction.

I think Lloyd Owens Elendil were better than Wickers as Halbrand. I would certainly add him to that list. Bit surprised he isn't in it.

Only bad scene with him were the crying part but that's because of the hilariously bad and comedic cut to him.

Him talking to the horse had more emotion than all other actors not in that list combined through the entire season.

I honestly forgot about him, yeah, he was ok, just had a rly bad script/director, obviously someone TOLD him to cry like that, and its a meme

[Triceron]

What amuses me more is, i saw artwork for the show, that they made so they could take base off, the elves there looked like elves, had long hair and all, but things changed along the way, like i mentioned before with the changing of direction.

"
We're just a few steps away from having short, fat, bearded Elves,' because why not'.

[rhorle]

What amuses me more is, i saw artwork for the show, that they made so they could take base off, the elves there looked like elves, had long hair and all, but things changed along the way, like i mentioned before with the changing of direction.

There wasn't a change of direction and concept art for the show has a few elves with short-hair. Most have long hair just like on the show. You are just selectively picking things that support your bias while ignoring those that don't.

https://www.iamag.co/the-lord-of-the...arousel-374938
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6bEg50

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Owen is just too old to play Elendil. Yes, I know Elendil was very old in the books, being over 300 years old at the time he fought Sauron, but he’s supposed to be a great warrior, and Owen is gonna be in his 60s by the time that scene is actually filmed.

Isn't that around the age the Elendil actor was for the Jackson film? There doesn't seem to be a birthdate associated with him but his wife was born in 1946. So if they were of similar age he would have been 55 in 2001. I also don't see what age has to do with being a great warrior for film. Tom Cruise is 60 and still doing his own stunts. Harrison Ford is 78 and has been doing some of his own stunts. He broke a leg during the recent Star Wars and injured his shoulder during filming for the next Indiana Jones.

Do you think old people can't fight or do choreography? If he wears a helm that covers most of his face it would be easy to have a stunt double if age is really a factor. You do know about stunt doubles, right?

[Logwyn]

When does season 2 come out? I want more of this fantastic series!!!

[Clone]

Just finished season 1 a few days ago, overall not terrible like the internet makes it out to be.

Complaining about inaccuracies from the books is pointless, and really hints at other agendas given that the inaccuracies in the original trilogy and Shadow of Mordor are not met with the same scrutiny.

[Shadowferal]

When does season 2 come out? I want more of this fantastic series!!!

2024..maybe March then, or November. And likely to be a bit different.

[Syegfryed]

Just finished season 1 a few days ago, overall not terrible like the internet makes it out to be.

Complaining about inaccuracies from the books is pointless, and really hints at other agendas given that the inaccuracies in the original trilogy and Shadow of Mordor are not met with the same scrutiny.

If you look close, its more than just "inaccuracies from the books, tis about they fucking up the book and making up their own garbage.

they could have said they were doing something original, unrelated to the books, more about a re-tealing, but they said, "now e are going to be faithful" "when he had doubts back to the book" wand it was a lot of horse shit.

They could have made a good fantasy show, but even at that they failed. If you completely ignore the lore changes, still is a bad show, with a bad protagonist, bad plot, poor dialogue and countless of other shit. Unlike the game that people found enjoyable even with the lore changed, that they didn't pretend it was faithful.

There is also the point that the show cost so much, with such big ip, and they made something like C tier netflix show.

[rogoth]

Just finished season 1 a few days ago, overall not terrible like the internet makes it out to be.

Complaining about inaccuracies from the books is pointless, and really hints at other agendas given that the inaccuracies in the original trilogy and Shadow of Mordor are not met with the same scrutiny.

if that's your take away from watching this steaming pile of dross then that tells me first off you are clueless when it comes to the lore of this world and why many of the bullshit changes made in this show that nobody asked for are so egregious and abhorrent, secondly, it also tells me that you're the perfect mindless idiot that this show is directed at, you are THE demographic for this terrible fanfiction and you are the prime example of the people targeted by this tick boxes infested rubbish.

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Inaccuracies in the PJ films were extremely minor relative to what we got in RoP. Shadow of Mordor is a video game, expectations for lore in video games are always very low.

keep in mind the marketing for shadow of mordor/war were perfectly clear from the outset that they were going to be taking 'creative liberties' with the source material and made people perfectly aware from the outset that it was going to be entirely the developers fabrication loosely based on middle earth and its places/people, this abhorrent mess of a tv show was marketed from the outset as a 'faithful adaptation of the great works of Tolkein', until christopher died and the showrunners/upper management did the uno reverse and created this steaming pile of bullshit with marketing shifting to then become 'based on the works of', there's a difference.

[Clone]

If you look close, its more than just "inaccuracies from the books, tis about they fucking up the book and making up their own garbage.

they could have said they were doing something original, unrelated to the books, more about a re-tealing, but they said, "now e are going to be faithful" "when he had doubts back to the book" wand it was a lot of horse shit.

They could have made a good fantasy show, but even at that they failed. If you completely ignore the lore changes, still is a bad show, with a bad protagonist, bad plot, poor dialogue and countless of other shit. Unlike the game that people found enjoyable even with the lore changed, that they didn't pretend it was faithful.

There is also the point that the show cost so much, with such big ip, and they made something like C tier netflix show.

The show is okay, dialogue is fine.

Inaccuracies in the PJ films were extremely minor relative to what we got in RoP. Shadow of Mordor is a video game, expectations for lore in video games are always very low.

Elves at Helm's Deep is not minor change, and with regards to Shadow of Mordor it's a double standard.