And they're correct, you can tell a coherent story about the creation of the Rings and the fall of Numenor using the information available in LotR and its appendices. What they don't have is rights to anything in the stuff Tolkien never published, at least not without asking to use a specific bit in a specific way, which is probably why anything taken from the Silmarillion or other works is used to cement the series' place in the Legendarium and not as part of the main story.
You could hold a course in "How to misinterpret and change facts to suit your opinions 101".
They have said they have enough to create a show they believe will do justice to Tolkien and the books. Which for me so far, they have. Its not 10/10 but nothing can really compare to Tolkien.
They have never said they wont take liberties (they have said the opposite, that they will) and they have also said they know they dont have all rights so they cant do everything in detail.
So again, you all haters for the show not being 100% correct with the lore must now love it since it's obviously okey as long as they prepare you for it with a statement.
I mean, they ahve the rights to do that, but its clear as day that its obviously they didn't justice, its awful in many ways, and not just because isn't 100%.
They said they would take liberties, yes, but also said they would be faithful, and fi they had question they would go to the book, and its a big fat lie, cause they on purpose change shit because they want to, when it was not necesaryThey have never said they wont take liberties (they have said the opposite, that they will) and they have also said they know they dont have all rights so they cant do everything in detail.
Quite ironic this statement and the previous one, when you start your comment by saying "misinterpret and change facts to suit opinions", hum?So again, you all haters for the show not being 100% correct with the lore must now love it since it's obviously okey as long as they prepare you for it with a statement.![]()
Well regardless of how faithful they originally aimed the series to be, at least they've come out to say they're gonna try to be more faithful in S2.
Payne: “Season one opens with: Who is Galadriel? Where did she come from? What did she suffer? Why is she driven? We’re doing the same thing with Sauron in season two. We’ll fill in all the missing pieces.”
McKay: “Sauron can now just be Sauron. Like Tony Soprano or Walter White. He’s evil, but complexly evil. We felt like if we did that in season one, he’d overshadow everything else. So the first season is like Batman Begins, and the The Dark Knight is the next movie, with Sauron maneuvering out in the open. We’re really excited. Season two has a canonical story. There may well be viewers who are like, ‘This is the story we were hoping to get in season one!’ In season two, we’re giving it to them.”
We'll see where it goes.
Well, there's quite the audacity and arrogance from these hacks, comparing their subpar narratives and heros to iconic, well written and much loved characters and movies like Soprano, WW, and the Nolan Batman movies.
They either have no sense of their total inability to write and guide an at least adequate TV series, or they are totally aware, but lean hard on the "fake it till you make it"/"pretend to be, maybe some idiots will actually believe it".
/spit@Blizzard
The silly thing is they are not comparing Sauron, as described and written by Tolkien, to Walter White.
They are comparing their view of Sauron, which was as transparent, bland and one sided as one scheming villain could be, to multi-layered, well defined and conflicted towards his fall WW. The best antihero ever written, following the path to Hell on the base of the noblest intentions.
/spit@Blizzard
ITs amazing how they ask those questions and barely answer then in the show or just badly answer then. Who is galadriel? a dumb moron, Where did she come from? Valinorrrrrrrrr, ok that is right, Why is she driven? she is retard.
Can't wait to see then doing this again with Sauron! Walter white of middle earth is coming
Oh yes they said it, HAHAMcKay: “Sauron can now just be Sauron. Like Tony Soprano or Walter White.
You already know they are fucking full of shit, they can't be more canonical after what they did in season 1 unless they ditch it completely.He’s evil, but complexly evil. We felt like if we did that in season one, he’d overshadow everything else. So the first season is like Batman Begins, and the The Dark Knight is the next movie, with Sauron maneuvering out in the open. We’re really excited. Season two has a canonical story. There may well be viewers who are like, ‘This is the story we were hoping to get in season one!’ In season two, we’re giving it to them.”
Least they can do si keep the same level of canon, more easter eggs than plot.
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Why would you immediately assume that?
You think that if the showrunners got replaced, it could... only get worse? Why exactly? Because the showrunners are showing some sort of integrity that new guys wouldn't?
To me, new guys could go either way. Could be better, could be worse, we wouldn't know till we see it.
Star Wars with Rian Johnson spiraled it down into a hole. Suicide Squad with James Gunn turned out fantastic. Doesn't exactly mean Rian Johnson is a bad director either, since he made Knives Out and Glass Onion and those were also fantastic films.
I'll have to wait and see what S2 would actually look like, and whether they're gonna factor in some change of direction, or just stick with their guns and do more of the same. It's too early to tell right now when we don't even know if the showrunners are maintaining their same status moving forward (in light of rumors).
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Because Witcher season 2 and wheel of time are garbage that suffer the same problem of fucking up the canon/source material, how can they, do something more canonical?
No, i think it can't get better, either stay the same or goes down.You think that if the showrunners got replaced, it could... only get worse? Why exactly? Because the showrunners were already showing some sort of integrity that the new guys wouldn't?
We wouldn't know until we see the results of the upcoming seasons for both.
Amazon has other series which aren't as shit, like the Boys, which also strays from canon and is still pretty damn spectacular with what they're doing. I wouldn't just point at one example of failure and apply it across the board.
I'll give you that RoP and WoT has stepped off the wrong foot, but I wouldn't presume to know that they're just gonna be released as is without any changes. I don't think anyone knows what Amazon's master plan on this is.
It'd be the same if we were talking about the state of WoW. It has its ups and downs in every expansion, unless you're one of those doomsayers who just hang around and say 'every expansion after WOTLK was shit, it only gets worse'.
Thinking things can't get better and saying 'they got replaced with worse people' are two different statements.No, i think it can't get better, either stay the same or goes down.
I'm not arguing what you think. I'm arguing your blatant claim of something that I don't think you can actually verify to be happening. Let's be very clear here. I'm not saying the show will get better or worse, I'm saying we don't know either way. If you're gonna make a claim it will only get worse, then frame it by your own opinion, not making up some statement like 'If the rumors are true it means they got replaced with worse people' as if you actually know the outcome. Just want to clarify how you're stating things is making it sound like you know, and not just you expressing an opinion.
Some of the writers worked on The Sopranos and Breaking Bad so they certainly have a right to compare it to previous work even if it is just for inspiration.
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It is a rumor that they will be replaced or have "quietly" been replaced already by a reduction in role/power. The haters are constantly claiming it is true when there is nothing to substantiate it.
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You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
The thing is, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt, they already shat the sheets, it is safe to assume, things won't go better when they are not bringing better people and especially when don't aknowledge their mistakes
Right, but who wrote the boys isn't writing rings of power, its other peopleAmazon has other series which aren't as shit, like the Boys, which also strays from canon and is still pretty damn spectacular with what they're doing. I wouldn't just point at one example of failure and apply it across the board.
Well, every expansion after MOP is worse than the last, in the lore department at least, exactly because they don't get good writers.It'd be the same if we were talking about the state of WoW. It has its ups and downs in every expansion, unless you're one of those doomsayers who just hang around and say 'every expansion after WOTLK was shit, it only gets worse'.
Then let me clear of what i meant: The rumors imply they will be replaced by the people who did wheel of time and Witcher, if this is true, i don't think the show can get any better, because those two are as bad as rings of power, i think, if that is true, it will end up more of the same.Thinking things can't get better and saying 'they got replaced with worse people' are two different statements.
I'm not arguing what you think. I'm arguing your blatant claim of something that I don't think you can actually verify to be happening.
There is way to make things better, but that require some BIG changes, which how far they are in season 2, i don't expect any.
The thing that bugs me is that the creation of the rings and the manipulation of Sauron leading up to it is what I would've loved to see. But they rushed that into 2 episodes...
So the idea of "we are giving what you want in season 2" is confusing to me. I think people wanted to see this manipulation. Guessing who is Sauron and who is not, would be great to see that.
Maybe they aim to do this with the Men and Dwarves but I don't see how they can do that and it'll be intriguing now when we already have the answers.
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They were being review bombed by racists, and that was after most of the critic reviews came out, so your theory doesn’t make sense.
The problem with something like Rotten Tomatoes is people see an 85% and think the show was beloved. If you look at the actual reviews, most of them just say the show was just ok, and RT counts that as a fresh review.
If I didn’t care about LOTR, I’d probably call the show “just ok” too.
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How do you show manipulation with out showing who is doing the manipulation? Every Tolkien fan wouldn't need to guess if they had a Lord of Gifts because he is a stand out character. I'm not sure watching daily lives would make compelling TV but do understand some people want more of a documentary of Tolkien's work. They would still need to invent story and intrigue which would obviously diverge from the limited canon Tolkien gave of the events.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Walter White was a terrible person from day one. He never had noble intentions. He’s not conflicted. He doesn’t struggle with making the bad decision, he just selfishly makes it. Jesse is the conflicted character, and you are supposed to look at him as a reflection of what a person who isn’t a sociopath (like Walter) would look like if brought down the same road.
WW is the most overrated character in television history, but even if he was great you have wildly misunderstood him if you think he had noble intentions.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
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