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    Where are the complaints over gatekeeping 'real fans' coming from? I see this being mentioned time and time again but like... No one has ever said this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Aren't you an educator? Good grief.

    What do the kids say? "Stay mad, bro"?
    You're still "angry" over a TV show that ended months ago lol Sorry if my factual words hurt your inability to just move on.

    My posts are about as contributory as the majority of posts in this thread have been. There is nothing to be gained here. Except an attempted circklejerk from people suffering their self-inflicted misery.
    But you're still here, telling everyone to leave... so no, I would argue these posts are even worse than the posts actually talking about the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Point well proven :-)

    Just checking checking though - you do know the top 15 Nielsen reports isn't just out of 15, right? They track all the shows in that category and just show the top 15. Think of music charts, a song that sits at number 10 in the top ten hasn't come last out of a group of 10 songs, it's also beaten all the other songs that didn't make it I to the top 10.
    The show, quality wise, was SHIT. CRAP. Irredeemable Garbage.

    The fact that some parts were nice or ok (Durin/Elrond, CGI) does not alter the above. Which is clearly my opinion, but i will keep voicing it, anyway, whether you like it or disagree.

    Also, the fact that it hit Nielsen's Top 15 for most minutes viewed in Streaming is an objective fact that noone can deny. ALso that it can be used from Amazon as a leverage for the show's success, should they wish to do so.

    But the latter fact has nothing to do with the former.

    Stop conflating stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Where are the complaints over gatekeeping 'real fans' coming from? I see this being mentioned time and time again but like... No one has ever said this?
    How about we make a deal - we all agree to stop gatekeeping "real fans" and all the haters stop telling us we're maladjusted trolls and that no one should be staying on the thread because it's pointless (as they continue posting on the thread oblivious to the irony)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Everything I said in my initial post is something that was said very few posts before it. While I no longer really participate in the thread much, I still read it. I suggest also reading before replying.


    "Not met an actual fan that actually liked it. Just white knights."

    Real fans didn't like it, in his opinion, anyone that did is just a white knight.


    "no one actually liked the show, most people hated it. Some just liked it because it was pretty, some that say they'll watch it again are only saying that out of spite of anyone that didn't like it."

    Literally claims nobody in the whole world liked it for what it was, that they must have just wanted to pass the time (50 hours...), or it was just pretty to look at. And that anyone that dare suggest they'd rewatch it, is only doing so out of spite, as if nerd rage on the internet actually matters to anyone.


    "Ignore these people that are basically nothing, they might as well be shitty AI created by Amazon to defend something."

    Belittles anyone remotely positive about the series as a "drone" because he cannot fathom someone enjoying it. Has to paint anyone speaking positively as both not human, and related to Amazon. Because who could possibly have anything positive to say about a series that most of these people decided they didn't like before it actually aired, right?

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    And therein lies the hilarity. The "haters" in your mind are those that don't speak negatively toward the series. As a supposed educator, you see the irony here, right?

    This thread would have literally died already if people like you didn't feel the need to come and start talking about how much you hate it again, because you can't stop thinking about it lol
    Didn’t you just say you barely come here cause it’s not that interesting? So you just went back and made a multi quote post quoting 5 different items from multiple pages about something you’re not interested in. Got it.

    You’re like one of those guys who uses hairspray and spends 45 minutes in front of a mirror in order to make their hair look like they don’t care.
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    Well anyway, enough troll feeding, time to get back on topic.

    Here’s an interesting article from 2020:

    https://screenrant.com/most-expensiv...on-per-episode

    Amazon has apparently been spending huge money on tv shows for years. Before this thread I haven’t really heard of any of these except Sneaky Pete and Jack Ryan. They must have lost a huge amount on prime video so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    no matter if it made 15th position in a top 15th that only cover the US views, i know some people like to think that USA is the bellybutton of the world, but isn't, it is a failure of a show.
    So every show of 2022 that didn't get 14 or higher was a failure? The mental gymnastics that you, and others, keep using is hilarious. You say you are only talking about the show to "make fun of it" yet you keep lying to yourself about it at the same time. You can make fun of it and acknowledge its success. It really does show how you are hating just for the sake of it at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    Ignore the drones, they are little better than bad AI made by amazon.
    Pure copium. People that don't hate as you do have to be AI made by Amazon. Lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    do you also know they are only counting streaming only stuff right? thats why House of the dragon isn't there, and is also only counting original stuff, AND only for us numbers, do you also realize that right?
    House of the Dragon would be on the streaming charts. Only it's streaming portion is tracked because it is a top 15 list of streaming shows. Why would you expect non-streaming shows to be tracked? You are essentially complaining that in the Olympics swimming is a failure because they don't include sprinting in medal considerations.

    US only doesn't matter because it still shows the show was an overwhelming success in the US. Plenty of things are not world wide hits but are still successful shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    Amazon has apparently been spending huge money on tv shows for years. Before this thread I haven’t really heard of any of these except Sneaky Pete and Jack Ryan. They must have lost a huge amount on prime video so far.
    Why would they have lost money when producing shows with "normal" size budgets? Does every TV company lose money? Besides we know from the leaks that is false because Amazon considers to have made money on a lot of their series based on internal metrics. Netflix does the same thing and has made a profit most of the time. There really is no difference in this regard between Prime Video and Netflix. Netflix has a few 100+ million productions that didn't do well.

    You are blinding yourself to facts here by your desire to hate on the Rings of Power. It isn't a failure just because you didn't like it despite your best efforts to rationalize that.
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    You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Where are the complaints over gatekeeping 'real fans' coming from? I see this being mentioned time and time again but like... No one has ever said this?
    From the last couple pages.

    Saying people aren’t fans because Tolkien isn’t in there portfolio
    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post

    first off, it's categorical fact that these 'superfans' are not in anyway shape or form 'Tolkien fans', not only is their entire portfolio of content devoid of ANYTHING relating to middle earth, in the instance of the 'straight black girl social justice warrior', she put a video on instagram where she was asked the question 'are you gonna watch rings of power?' and she said that she was having too much fun watching house of the dragon and that if she had time/felt like it, she would wait until rings of power had fully released and binge it then, leaving off with: quote: 'rings of power is gonna need to do something special if it's gonna beat house of the dragon hahahahaha'.
    Saying there are no fans who liked the show.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    Personally it’s a great place for me to connect with other Tolkien fans who also hated the show. Haven’t yet met one who truly liked it.

    But it’s gotten sidetracked by the white knights.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    From the last couple pages.

    Saying people aren’t fans because Tolkien isn’t in there portfolio


    Saying there are no fans who liked the show.
    so let me get this straight, you don't need any previous knowledge of the source material, or produce any content on any social media platform surrounding said source material to be considered a 'superfan' of said source material?, well that's good to know, consider me a 'superfan' of *insert any fucking franchise here* even though i might not have ANY KNOWLEDGE of what the actual plot is or the characters therein, because apparently according to you, you don't need any underlying knowledge to be considered a 'superfan' of anything it seems.

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    Anyone have thoughts on Tom Bombadil possibly appearing in season 2?

    I am not completely opposed to him being in the show because there is supposed to be some joy in middle earth, it’s not all rings and dark lords. But I fear he’d be attached to the nonsensical Harfoot story. If he were to interact with the elves and give the chance for the elves to show a bit of joy and lightheartedness, that’d be good. Which, again, is why they need to recast Gil Galad into something remotely approaching the character Tolkien envisioned…

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    so let me get this straight, you don't need any previous knowledge of the source material, or produce any content on any social media platform surrounding said source material to be considered a 'superfan' of said source material?, well that's good to know, consider me a 'superfan' of *insert any fucking franchise here* even though i might not have ANY KNOWLEDGE of what the actual plot is or the characters therein, because apparently according to you, you don't need any underlying knowledge to be considered a 'superfan' of anything it seems.
    Depends on how you want to define “superfan”.

    But to be a fan in “anyway shape or form” no you don’t need to post on social media at all or produce any content even if you are an “influencer”, nor do you need to have any previous knowledge of the Silmarillion to be a fan of Tolkien as you said even in that post they could know about his work through the Jackson movies.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    From the last couple pages.

    Saying people aren’t fans because Tolkien isn’t in there portfolio


    Saying there are no fans who liked the show.
    One is a comment about how fake the 'superfans' in the promo were, the other is an anecdote of how a person doesn't personally know people who truly enjoyed the show. I don't see how this results in actively complaining over gatekeeping that isn't actually happening.

    If someone doesn't think the people in the promo were real fans, then that'a their own opinion. If someone doesn't recognize anyone personally having enjoyed the show, that is their own experience. That isn't being broadly applied to anyone here. As I said, I don't see where this gatekeeping is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Yeah, neither of those are comments relating to 'real fans' that would be considered offensive to anyone.

    One is a comment about how fake the 'superfans' in the promo were, the other is an anecdote of how a person doesn't personally know people who truly enjoyed the show. I don't see how this results in actively complaining over gatekeeping that isn't actually happening.
    who said any thing about offence? You asked for examples I provided.

    One is about how the “super fans” and says they aren’t Tolkien fans in “anyway shape or form” because there not posting on social media about his works and the other is about how this thread is great to meet Tolkien fans and how none of said fans liked the show, IE all the posters who liked the show and have been posting about Tolkiens works and how they enjoy them don’t fall into fans.

    Both are gate keeping rather that gate keeping is “offensive” or not.




    Superfan' is specific to what Amazon decided to call their own promo influencers. It isn't a definition that is being applied outside that context, like to any Tolkien fandom or group of fans. How I understand it to be, no one is using Superfan outside thr context of the promo, and all criticisms of Superfans is exclusive to the promo.

    Not sure why anyone would be upset about gatekeeping if it's not happening.
    Amazon says there super fans, others say they aren’t fans at all, people are gonna define “super fans” differently then Amazon who could just means “fans in our promo”.

    That’s why I said it depends on how you define it, to me “super fans” mean nothing, others how ever are clearly upset that Amazon would use the term and apply it to people they don’t see as fans at all.
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    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Everything I said in my initial post is something that was said very few posts before it. While I no longer really participate in the thread much, I still read it. I suggest also reading before replying.
    Maybe that is the problem, you're reading too much into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Amazon says there super fans, others say they aren’t fans at all, people are gonna define “super fans” different the Amazon who could just means “fans in our promo”.

    That’s why I said it depends on how you define it, to keep “super fans” mean nothing others how ever are clearly upset that Amazon would use the term and apply it to people they don’t see as fans at all.
    And I don't see how anyone should have a problem with that regardless. It isn't being applied to people who watch the show who aren't influencers in the promo. The context is solidly placed at Amazon and this promo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    And I don't see how anyone should have a problem with that regardless. It isn't being applied to people who watch the show who aren't influencers in the promo. The context is solidly placed at Amazon and this promo.
    Again I’m just providing examples of gate keeping “real fans” I can’t tell you why people have a problem of it I’m just pointing you to where it happened.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Again I’m just providing examples of gate keeping “real fans” I can’t tell you why people have a problem of it I’m just pointing you to where it happened.
    And I here saying I think they're bad examples considering the comments weren't actually criticisms being taken outside the context of the promo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    And I here saying I think they're bad examples considering the comments weren't actually criticisms being taken outside the context of the promo.
    Rather it’s about the promo or not it’s still gate keeping real fans.


    And the second one isn’t even about the promo it’s about this thread and how out of the fans to connect with in the thread there are none that liked the show.
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    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    And the second one isn’t even about the promo it’s about this thread and how out of the fans to connect with in the thread there are none that liked the show.
    Then that's just ignorance, not censorship.

    Expressing a personal anecdote, even in ignorance, is not a statement on who can or can not enjoy the show.

    You can point out what is being complained about, and I can point out how it has nothing to do with the complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Then that's just ignorance, not censorship.
    No it’s dishonestly and gate keeping.
    Last edited by Lorgar Aurelian; 2023-02-19 at 07:14 PM.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    No it’s dishonestly and hate keeping.
    Which isn't relevant to the complaint, and is something different entirely.

    Are we accepting goalpost shifting now somehow?

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