Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

Bad is objective because its the opposite of good..? How do you not forget to pull your pants down before shitting xD

Bad = subjective
Good = subjective

ok fam, now you have to prove your bullshit, prove that Bad is a subjective word, since you are so sure of what you are talking about

That grass is green = objective
That grass has a good colour = subjective
That grass has a bad colour = subjective

And:

Grass as food for humans is BAD = Objective

Ring of power shit is not about if they have good or bad colours, but if its a good show, and it is not, not as a subjective matter, it fail to meet any standards in the areas its supposed to succed, thats just objective facts.

What is subjective is if people like or not, taste is subjective, people can like bad shows and dislike god shows.

I honestly don’t know how to explain this any simpler…

I mean, youa re giving wrong examples and arguing against the wrongs points, you could try to explain in any way and still would be bullshit

- - - Updated - - -

That's what good and bad mean. There is no objective truth of good or bad.

There is, Stating an objective statementsaying there is no objective things is ironic and laughable.

If an actor can't deliver his lines, don't share any emotions and its like robot reading a script, he is objectively, doing a bad job, period, no matter how pseudointellectual try to pretend "he is not a bad actor, because there is no objective, its all subjective!!!", what a joke.

[Syegfryed]

https://www.inverse.com/entertainmen...-writer-strike

They are finishing season 2 without the writers which basically means they are limited on what they can change while shooting. I don’t think it makes much of a difference though - I’m not convinced the guys who wrote “I am good!” and the lines describing why a boat floats and a rock sinks are adding much.

And without scriptwriters, will they still be allowed to just write the script on screen, like when they erased Southlands and wrote Mordor?

Maybe they will get a AI to do the script, it will not make much difference at this point. It might end up being better

[Triceron]

Something like a sitcom I can see being very important, but not sure how it really pans out for a fantasy epic like this where there's going to be far less on-the-spot improvisation involved.

[Syegfryed]

.


Opinions?

Im terrible with second age timeline, so i don't know if the season 1 would be accurate with how the events unfold with the rest, but honestly... it does not sound bad, i find it amusing that the I.A was able to make everything tight within the 5 seasons. And lets be honest, everyone wanted to see the war of the last alliance with Gil-galad, elendil and Isildur, that would be a banger if done right.

The lack of Warrior Guyladriel leading the numenorians and the completely absence of "harfoots" make the outline way superior than the show.

[Veggie50]

ok fam, now you have to prove your bullshit, prove that Bad is a subjective word, since you are so sure of what you are talking about



And:

Grass as food for humans is BAD = Objective

Ring of power shit is not about if they have good or bad colours, but if its a good show, and it is not, not as a subjective matter, it fail to meet any standards in the areas its supposed to succed, thats just objective facts.

What is subjective is if people like or not, taste is subjective, people can like bad shows and dislike god shows.


I mean, youa re giving wrong examples and arguing against the wrongs points, you could try to explain in any way and still would be bullshit

- - - Updated - - -



There is, Stating an objective statementsaying there is no objective things is ironic and laughable.

If an actor can't deliver his lines, don't share any emotions and its like robot reading a script, he is objectively, doing a bad job, period, no matter how pseudointellectual try to pretend "he is not a bad actor, because there is no objective, its all subjective!!!", what a joke.

Sure thing buddy!

“Grass is a bad food for humans” is a subjective statement indeed. It could be countered with “it works well in small amounts as a seasoning” or “i actually do like to chew on grass sometimes, the fiber helps my digestion”.

Mind you I don’t disagree with this statement, but it IS subjective.

An OBJECTIVE statement would be that grass is relatively hard to digest.

Let me know if you need more explanation. Though it’s a but cumbersome, I do believe it’s worth it to invest into dispelling some mistakes.

[Syegfryed]

Sure thing buddy!

“Grass is a bad food for humans” is a subjective statement indeed.

Nope, its not, if you only eat grass you will die, because its bad.

It could be countered

Well, if you distort the argument, and add stuff so it change the whole premise

Is like saying "rings of power show is not bad if you watch while you are blind and deaf"

Let me know if you need more explanation..

Not at all, i learn that i can grab my dog and make a reboot of "I am Legend" from will smith, and it will not be a bad reboot because ItS sUbJeCtIvE

- - - Updated - - -

I asked ChatGPT to list out the major characters in order of importance, and it went:

1. Sauron
2. Elendil
3. Gil-Galad
4. Elrond
5. Galadriel
6. Celebrimbor
7. Isildur
8. Ar-Pharazon
9. Cirdan

I asked if Gandalf should be in the series and it said no. I asked about the Harfoots and it said "While they were not major players in the events of the Second Age, they could potentially make a cameo appearance or be mentioned in the series."

I'm enjoying this immensely.

Well its proved, AI would make a better show than amazon did, they even care more about the lore lmao.

After this, it told me it couldn't make jokes about public figures anymore... ah well it was fun while it lasted.

Bezos probably got a notification.

[Veggie50]

Nope, its not, if you only eat grass you will die, because its bad.


Well, if you distort the argument, and add stuff so it change the whole premise

Is like saying "rings of power show is not bad if you watch while you are blind and deaf"



Not at all, i learn that i can grab my dog and make a reboot of "I am Legend" from will smith, and it will not be a bad reboot because ItS sUbJeCtIvE

- - - Updated - - -



Well its proved, AI would make a better show than amazon did, they even care more about the lore lmao.

Bezos probably got a notification.

Exactly, a reboot of I am legend with your dog would be subjectively bad, not objectively. Thank you for finally getting it ^^

[rogoth]

Well assuming all the numbers you stated are correct dragon would have likely have had like 80M watcher for the whole series which would be about double the number you gave for RoP.

And given that some people want to compare them and say one is good and one is bad that’s a fairly big assumed different they could point to.

lets assume those numbers correct, that means that house of the dragon had an ~80% completion rate and ~85% engagement rate, based on the fact that HBO MAX has a subscriber count of under 100m, all 'kenn' here has proven is that he lacks all forms of critical thinking skills, he is happy to disprove his own points unwittingly because of his lack of reading comprehension, and he likes to talk out of his ass to defend the indefensible.

- - - Updated - - -

Sure thing buddy!

“Grass is a bad food for humans” is a subjective statement indeed. It could be countered with “it works well in small amounts as a seasoning” or “i actually do like to chew on grass sometimes, the fiber helps my digestion”.

Mind you I don’t disagree with this statement, but it IS subjective.

An OBJECTIVE statement would be that grass is relatively hard to digest.

Let me know if you need more explanation. Though it’s a but cumbersome, I do believe it’s worth it to invest into dispelling some mistakes.

this tells me you know FUCK ALL about human biology, not only is the example used asinine, but it's biologically impossible for humans to digest grass, making your 'counter points' irrelevant in the extreme.

[Syegfryed]

this tells me you know FUCK ALL about human biology, not only is the example used asinine, but it's biologically impossible for humans to digest grass, making your 'counter points' irrelevant in the extreme.

Not just that,the lignin will make it hard for you to digest other things, it will ruin your teeth and it will cause irritated stomach that can lead to vomit, so, dehytration.

But what do you expect of people who defend this show, he might as well argue its not bad to drink gasoline, or put your hand into fire, because bad is sUbJeCtIvE

[Fabinas]

Here's my ChatGPT-created crown jewel:

ANNATAR:
(smiling) My dear elves, your craft is unmatched. With my guidance, you will reach new heights of excellence. Together, we shall build wonders that will rival the greatest of creations.

ELF APPRENTICE:
(excitedly) We could even build a tower that reaches to the heavens!

CELEBRIMBOR:
(to the apprentice, with a chuckle) I don't think we want to attract the attention of Jeff Bezos just yet.

- - - Updated - - -



I asked ChatGPT to list out the major characters in order of importance, and it went:

1. Sauron
2. Elendil
3. Gil-Galad
4. Elrond
5. Galadriel
6. Celebrimbor
7. Isildur
8. Ar-Pharazon
9. Cirdan

I asked if Gandalf should be in the series and it said no. I asked about the Harfoots and it said "While they were not major players in the events of the Second Age, they could potentially make a cameo appearance or be mentioned in the series."

I'm enjoying this immensely.

- - - Updated - - -

Ok last one I promise:

SAURON: (angrily) I can't believe I lost! Those pesky Elves and their rings!

ONE OF THE NAZGUL: (kneeling before Sauron) My Lord, do not despair. We still have the One Ring.

SAURON: (turning to face the Nazgul) Yes, but it's not enough. We need to find a way to get the other rings back.

Suddenly, a figure appears in a puff of smoke.

SAURON: (surprised) Who are you?

FIGURE: (smiling) Greetings, Lord Sauron. I am Jeff Bezos, the Lord of Amazon.

SAURON: (confused) Amazon?

BEZOS: (nodding) Yes, my Lord. I have heard of your power and I would like to offer my services. With my knowledge of logistics and delivery, we could conquer all of Middle-earth in no time.

SAURON: (intrigued) Hmm, interesting. What do you want in return?

BEZOS: (smiling) Just a small percentage of your power, my Lord. Say, 99%?

SAURON: (angrily) 99%? You dare mock me?

BEZOS: (shrugging) Hey, it's just business.

Sauron raises his hand to strike Bezos, but the figure disappears in another puff of smoke.

SAURON: (grumbling) Curse those mortals and their obsession with profit!

After this, it told me it couldn't make jokes about public figures anymore... ah well it was fun while it lasted.

- - - Updated - - -

"Do you think a story about an elf who was twisted to create the orc race and is trying to protect them would fit well in a story of the second age?"

A snippet of ChatGPT's answer:

"In theory, a character like the one you describe could exist within the framework of Tolkien's world.

That being said, such a character would need to be handled carefully and thoughtfully. The idea of an Elf who is sympathetic to the Orcs is somewhat at odds with the way they are typically portrayed in the lore, as brutal and cruel creatures. It would be important to explore the motivations and backstory of this character in a way that is respectful to Tolkien's vision and doesn't undermine the established lore."

After all that, it seems that Bezos' money invested in ChatGPT would be a far more profitable investment than the pithole Tolkien show he's wasting them currently.

Hell, he could ask for a tailor made version to help him create the show. After that, it's just follow orders.

[Kumorii]

the word Bad isn't exclusively subjective or objective... it's about context.
Why does this convo even exists? Prime example of absurdity coming from MMOC's desire to argue and win at all costs.

Surgery going wrong is BAD!. Bleeding out is BAD. Smoking, Drinking and doing drugs while pregnant is BAD for the baby etc etc.

It's just describes a situation as a negative, be it a subjective view or an objective statement.

[Syegfryed]

As if this thread couldn't get worse,

And you are still here, checking every new post, even more avid that the haters lmao.

- - - Updated - - -

Oh but it's quite fun to illustrate how bonkers the series is:

"Galadriel chasing Sauron could be seen as a departure from the lore established in Tolkien's writings, where Sauron is primarily depicted as a powerful and malevolent being who seeks domination and control over Middle-earth. Additionally, the notion that chasing Sauron could inspire him to become evil again seems to contradict the idea that Sauron is inherently evil and corrupt.

The idea that Gil-Galad would pretend to reward Galadriel in order to get rid of her goes against the themes of loyalty and trust that are prominent in Tolkien's works. Gil-Galad is depicted as a wise and just leader who commands the respect and allegiance of his subjects.

The concept of using mithril as a substitute for the light of Valinor seems like an unlikely or unfeasible solution, as mithril is primarily a precious metal that is prized for its rarity and durability, rather than for any spiritual or magical properties.

Galadriel's decision to jump off the boat to Valinor and run into Sauron seems like a major departure from her character in Tolkien's works. She was known for her wisdom and foresight, and it would be unlikely for her to make such a reckless decision.

It would not be appropriate for Galadriel to spar with seven Numenorean soldiers at once, as it would not be consistent with Tolkien's depiction of her as a powerful and wise Elf, but not one who engages in gratuitous violence or seeks to dominate others. It would be more appropriate to depict Galadriel as a skilled fighter who can hold her own in battle but does not need to resort to excessive force or aggression.

Even in a sparring session, it would not be appropriate for Galadriel to slap a soldier on the butt with her sword. Such behavior would be considered inappropriate and disrespectful, and it would not align with Tolkien's portrayal of Galadriel as a wise and respected leader among her people. It's important to remember that fictional characters, like real people, should be portrayed with respect and dignity, and their actions should align with the values and themes of the story."

Dude, the AI is based as fuck, it understand tolkien more than the showrunners, who, said time and time again they were always "going back to the book"

The bit about jumping to swim miles until reach continent is immensely funny.

[Crazozourus]

And you are still here, checking every new post, even more avid that the haters lmao.

- - - Updated - - -



Dude, the AI is based as fuck, it understand tolkien more than the showrunners, who, said time and time again they were always "going back to the book"

The bit about jumping to swim miles until reach continent is immensely funny.

You don't need AI, the whole premise of creation of the rings in the show makes no sense:

Elves need mithril because, according to the shows' logic, metal contains the light of the Valar. It gains this light from the Silmaril being struck by a lighting. Silmarils, crafted by Feanor using the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion. Their last flower and fruit, containing the same light, were made by the Valar into the Sun and the Moon. Elves just need to go outside, /facepalm.

[rhorle]

They could quite easily just ride the strike out, really, and get things written afterwards. I don't really see them getting anything but an outline written during the strike, that can be later fleshed out by the actual writing team.

Things are already written. Some parts just won't be filmed with the show runners on set as they are part of the WGA and on strike. Writer-producers are barred from participating in any writing-based duties while the strike continues.

June 30th will be a bigger issue as that is when the contract for SAG-AFTRA and the DGA expires. They would likely go on strike as well.

- - - Updated - - -

Elves need mithril because, according to the shows' logic, metal contains the light of the Valar. It gains this light from the Silmaril being struck by a lighting. Silmarils, crafted by Feanor using the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion. Their last flower and fruit, containing the same light, were made by the Valar into the Sun and the Moon. Elves just need to go outside, /facepalm.

"Fading occurred when their fëar consumed their bodies and the body became merely a memory of the fëa". The elves also created the Rings of power to try and prevent the passage of time. Notice how the two elven kingdoms with the rings were "perseved" and hanging on against that fate.

Doesn't it stand to reason that their fear, and hope, would be attached to a metal that a "legend" indicates could have a special connection to their sacred stuff? It might not actually be true but it was enough to convince them to go through with the plan.

[Fabinas]

As if this thread couldn't get worse, someone discovered ChatGPT. Here I thought the "subjective/objective" discussion was as bad as it could get lol

Anyway, irrationally lingering wankery aside, I wonder just how much they'll have learnt from the first season that will help shape the second (and beyond). Other than things like sets being easier to set up and whatnot, I wonder if S1, and the overall reaction to it, will have changed their approach to the next. And just how much the writers strike will affect things. They could quite easily just ride the strike out, really, and get things written afterwards. I don't really see them getting anything but an outline written during the strike, that can be later fleshed out by the actual writing team. Contrary to what certain posters may think, I doubt they're stupid enough to have full episodes, much less a whole season, written during the strike. Though I'm sure that anything they watch in S2 will be stated to be exactly that, or worse.

That AI is better at writing RoP scripts and is far more intelligent and creative than those hacks that work for Amazon.

It also offers more for discussion than the snide you, pretending to sit on a high moral horse.

[rhorle]

That AI is better at writing RoP scripts and is far more intelligent and creative than those hacks that work for Amazon.

The only reason why the AI is here is because people that hate the show just can't let go. The goal posts moved from "completion rates" to "AI is better". Far more intelligent and creative is subjective and not something that has actually been proven. So get off your own high horse before trying to pretend to be superior here.

[Fabinas]

The only reason why the AI is here is because people that hate the show just can't let go. The goal posts moved from "completion rates" to "AI is better". Far more intelligent and creative is subjective and not something that has actually been proven. So get off your own high horse before trying to pretend to be superior here.

And there you go again with your shit posting.

It's my friggin subjective opinion. No high horse.

If you think AI results posted here are biased because of the questions asked, feel free to try and make it to justify the actual RoP trainwreck we watched.

THEN AND ONLY THEN you will prove those admissions as irrelevant.

[rhorle]

And there you go again with your shit posting.

Ahh. So you get a free pass to do the same. You can call others on a high horse and head behind it being your subjective opinion. You can shit post and attack others. But the moment someone calls you out for doing the same you throw a tantrum. Lol.

We don't know the prompts the user put in to get those results. All AI generative content is inherently biased because it generates based on prompts given.OpenAI has even said that bias that the system shows are bugs and not features as a way to spin flaws in the "learning" of their AI. Do you not know how this stuff works? These admissions are irrelevant because it is just another way to justify and continue the hate of the show by people that can't move on.

[Triceron]

I don't need a moral high horse, my dude. I just sit on my "well-adjusted human adult that moves on from things they dislike

Nah, you've always looked down on people you disagree with here. You actively participate in arguing against people sharing opinions you dislike instead of actually moving on

If you were really well adjusted you wouldn't be hanging around this thread slinging shit with the rest of the shit slingers. This thread has become an echochamber of degeneracy, with the actual topic discussion long past its relevancy, and yet here we all are. All you are saying is you have the will to move on from things you don't like, but you're actions show that you are still drawn participate in shitposting.

There is no discussion here. Crying about what is, and isn't, subjective/objective isn't a discussion related to Rings of Power.

Neither is telling people to stop doing what they want to do here. That's not discussion either and it's just crying about other people crying. If you're gonna shitpost, at least get off your high horse and admit that we're all doing the same thing you're accusing anyone here of. We're all shitposting, we're all actively avoiding any actual discussion if the topic.

Just like I pointed out with Rhorle, neither of you two have actually particpated in an actual topic discussion here in months, because there isn't anything to discuss. And here we all are still. You could at least stop lying to yourself about being well adjusted and actually moving on from things you don't like. You wouldn't be here if this were actually true since you would have realized this thread has literally no real discussion value left to it. It's a trainwreck that you're being drawn to

[Khaza-R]

You don't need AI, the whole premise of creation of the rings in the show makes no sense:

Elves need mithril because, according to the shows' logic, metal contains the light of the Valar. It gains this light from the Silmaril being struck by a lighting. Silmarils, crafted by Feanor using the light of the Two Trees, Laurelin and Telperion. Their last flower and fruit, containing the same light, were made by the Valar into the Sun and the Moon. Elves just need to go outside, /facepalm.

One of the worst and most unnecessary changes in the show for sure. One because its less interesting than the actual lore. And two because it creates all types of continuity problems. For instance, if mithril is overflowing with the light of the Silmarils, then why did Frodo even need Eärendil's Star in the first place? And how was Shelob able to attack him when she's weak to this light? Maybe they'll try to fix this by saying Mithril can be depleted. But seems like an awful corner to write yourself into.