Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Al Gorefiend]

I don’t necessarily agree that it’s an easy win because the source material is thinly developed, basically a broad sketch, and needs filling in. Also there’s the problem of the rights - they are missing important pieces because their rights are incomplete, leading to the nonsensical “you can’t use real lore, but you can make stuff up” approach.

Which loops back to my original gripe with this show before it even became a thing and I was in this threads discussions 400 pages ago. If they can't tell a proper LotR story, but still have all this talent behind the show as it was very pretty looking, why didn't they just not piss everyone off and create their own fantasy story?

And I ask that question rhetorically because we all know the answer: brand recognition, marketing and sales. Which leaves the taste in my mouth this whole thing was more of the same corporate moneygrubbing. Which always attracts counterarguments like "of course they want money, entertainment is a business" which begs the question, where is the line drawn? Are we as audience doomed to forever relive the same IPs over and over again, because nobody wants to come up with new things when the goal is to just make money off what we already have? Has every fantasy IP we will ever see already been made? When will they start targeting videogame fantasy IPs like Elder Scrolls, Warcraft, Warhammer and just do their own things with the lore?

I haven't seen the D&D movie, but coincidentally as its in cinemas right now, is also proving my point. Though I have heard it was very good and more a celebration of D&D so nobody think I'm dissing it please.

[Syegfryed]

I don’t necessarily agree that it’s an easy win because the source material is thinly developed, basically a broad sketch, and needs filling in. Also there’s the problem of the rights - they are missing important pieces because their rights are incomplete, leading to the nonsensical “you can’t use real lore, but you can make stuff up” approach.

Thats why they should have attempt a self contained story, that have no relation whatsoever with the actual story they are talking about.

Which is basically what they try to do, but they shove the second age and distort the canon events.

If they made a self-contained story about some elves overseeing a group of humans, that were going to be attacked by goblins, because a kid found a magic dark sword in old castle left by morgoth followers, and save then, it would be a better story.

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Are we as audience doomed to forever relive the same IPs over and over again, because nobody wants to come up with new things when the goal is to just make money off what we already have? Has every fantasy IP we will ever see already been made? When will they start targeting videogame fantasy IPs like Elder Scrolls, Warcraft, Warhammer and just do their own things with the lore?

I haven't seen the D&D movie, but coincidentally as its in cinemas right now, is also proving my point. Though I have heard it was very good and more a celebration of D&D so nobody think I'm dissing it please.

For your first question, yes. We are forever doomed to rehash things that work(and most of time, ruin then), because they don't want to risk new stuff, because when they do, they rather do their own shit instead of actually adapting then, they fail, and they don't touch the ip again.

For the Second, i dunno, i don't think they did everything, there is a lot of good ips, books and fantasies out there for then to adapt or ruin. Not many have the same power as lord of the rings and harry potter.


For the third, they are already targeting video games, and doing their own thing. they did with warcraft, fucking all to do with the real story, they did with halo, they kinda did with the witcher, Last of Us, resident evil remakes.

D&D is one of the few movies that work, because they had the same intent, make a self-contained story in the universe, a good, simple and enjoyable story, they use elements of the Forgotten realms, they even use some established characters, like the fat red dragon, they use the places there, but its a new story, they were able to do their own thing, without shitting in the establish lore, something people can't do to save their lives

[Al Gorefiend]

Thats why they should have attempt a self contained story, that have no relation whatsoever with the actual story they are talking about.

Which is basically what they try to do, but they shove the second age and distort the canon events.

If they made a self-contained story about some elves overseeing a group of humans, that were going to be attacked by goblins, because a kid found a magic dark sword in old castle left by morgoth followers, and save then, it would be a better story.

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For your first question, yes. We are forever doomed to rehash things that work(and most of time, ruin then), because they don't want to risk new stuff, because when they do, they rather do their own shit instead of actually adapting then, they fail, and they don't touch the ip again.

For the Second, i dunno, i don't think they did everything, there is a lot of good ips, books and fantasies out there for then to adapt or ruin. Not many have the same power as lord of the rings and harry potter.


For the third, they are already targeting video games, and doing their own thing. they did with warcraft, fucking all to do with the real story, they did with halo, they kinda did with the witcher, Last of Us, resident evil remakes.

D&D is one of the few movies that work, because they had the same intent, make a self-contained story in the universe, a good, simple and enjoyable story, they use elements of the Forgotten realms, they even use some established characters, like the fat red dragon, they use the places there, but its a new story, they were able to do their own thing, without shitting in the establish lore, something people can't do to save their lives

You hit it on the head with that last paragraph. Like you said it was just a silly story about a group of people existing within a fictional world. They didn't try to tell epic stories about the history of the world like Rings of Power & Warcraft. People already knew the lore and backstory to these, so they were able to conceptualize a headcanon and set their expectations of the show based on how cool they made it sound in their head. This leaves those movies highly vulnerable to scrutiny and nitpicking because the bar is set to the absolute max when you're creating a world for diehard fans of a fantasy, most times the diehards know the lore BETTER than the writers, so when its wrong its instantly terrible.

With the D&D movie its just a band of people who aren't making history or lore of events. Had the Warcraft movie been about a group of 5 people going through an epic quest chain, complete with game references, comedy and cameos of famous NPCs, people would have LOVED. IT. Instead they choose a story all the fans knew about and read, fantastically told it incorrectly or changed things around, and somehow made it a joyless, unsatisfying movie. I haven't watched it since it first came out in theaters, I just remember it being not colorful, dark, no memorable action scenes and melancholy in a boring way.

[Syegfryed]

You hit it on the head with that last paragraph. Like you said it was just a silly story about a group of people existing within a fictional world. They didn't try to tell epic stories about the history of the world like Rings of Power & Warcraft. People already knew the lore and backstory to these, so they were able to conceptualize a headcanon and set their expectations of the show based on how cool they made it sound in their head. This leaves those movies highly vulnerable to scrutiny and nitpicking because the bar is set to the absolute max when you're creating a world for diehard fans of a fantasy, most times the diehards know the lore BETTER than the writers, so when its wrong its instantly terrible.

The gold thing is that, you didn't even need to knew anything from the forgotten realms, or from dnd in deep to know understand and enjoy the movie. They could use names like Neverwinter, that, will mean nothing for you, but you understand is a important place, and you being one Lord is a big deal, if you do know then though, that is even more exicting to catch the the references

With the D&D movie its just a band of people who aren't making history or lore of events. Had the Warcraft movie been about a group of 5 people going through an epic quest chain, complete with game references, comedy and cameos of famous NPCs, people would have LOVED. IT. Instead they choose a story all the fans knew about and read, fantastically told it incorrectly or changed things around, and somehow made it a joyless, unsatisfying movie. I haven't watched it since it first came out in theaters, I just remember it being not colorful, dark, no memorable action scenes and melancholy in a boring way.

I think the warcraft movie could also have worked, if they actually tried to adapt the story of the first war, in a 3 hour movie, not ina 1hour movie.

That would work much better in a tv-show, that blizzard is sleeping on it, a faithful story of that time would make as much buzz as house of the dragon imo, if they make grit and dark.

[rogoth]

I'm also bothered by how these showrunners have no sense of the story. My specific example is Mount Doom - they should be playing up the connection between Sauron and Mount Doom in this series. The story in the lore was basically "original dark lord created mount doom using his bigbad powers, it becomes heart of Sauron's power cause he forges ring there". Sauron is never actually present in any scenes in Lord of the Rings, and Mount Doom occasionally serves as a kind of stand in - the volcano rumbling as a symbol of his power. There's a scene where Sam is having trouble sleeping and Mount Doom rumbles, the chapter ending with "Mount Doom also slept uneasily". It's special, it's almost a character in itself - it's the only place the ring can be destroyed, it explodes massively when the ring is dropped in it, Sam mentions that the ring gets a lot heavier when he is in sight of Mount Doom, he uses it to send out darkness when his armies invade, etc.

Instead they went with "let's make up a sciency explanation for why Mount Doom exists" and Sauron isn't involved in its creation. It was, "orcs can't handle sunlight, so they blotted out the sun by diverting water into Mount Doom so it explodes constantly". Ridiculous. "Mount Doom is created by science" is a less effective story and weakens the main plotline by diverging from it and minimizing Sauron's role. It's really scary that the showrunners can't see that.

i'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point:

the fact they wrote it the way they did and portrayed it the way they did shows just how little they know about the lore and how little the understand the nuances of the lore, it actually epitomises their approach and shows how limited they are in both scope and talent to write a comprehensive piece to explain this portion of the lore.


the showrunners being unable to see through their own bullshit is cemented with this point, it's basically confirmation, (on top of the already long list of other points that also confirm), that these clowns have no clue what the source materials says and have no clue how to interpret that source material properly.

[Triceron]

Yeah it may be based on knowledge gotten from users, but the AI doesn't know much about the show because it doesn't know anything after 2021.

A shame, would be interesting to know what it thinks of RoP in general and what it would do to improve the show and make it Emmy worthy.

[Syegfryed]

i'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point:

the fact they wrote it the way they did and portrayed it the way they did shows just how little they know about the lore and how little the understand the nuances of the lore, it actually epitomises their approach and shows how limited they are in both scope and talent to write a comprehensive piece to explain this portion of the lore.


the showrunners being unable to see through their own bullshit is cemented with this point, it's basically confirmation, (on top of the already long list of other points that also confirm), that these clowns have no clue what the source materials says and have no clue how to interpret that source material properly.

They also don't know shit about anything else.

The storyline makes no sense whatsoever.

The key that open the "gates" for the water is a dark sword made my morgoth....But the elves build that dam, why the elves build a dam that the key was the sword of the enemy?

Cause, clearly, the damn WAS NOT designed to erupt mordor, because the orcs need to build the trenches so the water could flow there, so why the dark sword a thing?

Fucking convoluted awful plot that does not make sense. Besides, by the region, the water would NEVER reach Mount Doom, first it was too far away and upwards, second, the volcano was not pressured, it would not erupt by pouring some water, AND the pyroclastic explosion only selective kill people, cause most of then were just fine How the fuck do you write that a pyroclastic explosion destroy AND burn houses, trees, horses, doesn't affect humans? these guys are crayon eaters, and you have to hear people saying this isn't bad, Holy hell.

[rhorle]

The key that open the "gates" for the water is a dark sword made my morgoth....But the elves build that dam, why the elves build a dam that the key was the sword of the enemy?

The Elves didn't build it.

[bledgor]

LOL that is sooooo fucking bad looking.



Points 1-8 are whatever, could be great could be trash have to see what they do.

Point 9 is where it starts to go off rails, there were only 3 themes, so a forth interuption? what? Also Eru chastises him right there.

Point 10 Gandalfs Maiar name was Olorin, not mithrandir (his Elvish name)

Point 11, lol fuck no, IF you wanted to have someone tempted by Sauron in his agenda, do Saruman, this would at least tie in to his temptation/fall later and lay the groundwork for it.

Point 12 whatever.

Point 13, these are the same people that say Sauron lying about being an envoy of the Maia was too stupid, but having Sauron say he apprencticed under Aule so he could make the dwarven rings? Fuck off, not to mention they already fucked the creation of the rings since the Elven rings (now created first) were the last rings made.

Point 14 So Sauron has a kid now? FUCKING LOL fanfic trash

Point 15 I know quite a few Tolkien nerds, no one was begging for an origin story for Shadowfax, or the history of the Rohirrim horses. I mean I guess I could be sold on this but you already have so much to cover, and IF they have the rights to The Silmarillion you even have more things you can cover, why waste the time/money on this.

Point 16 Confirms the joke that Gandalf is meteor man LOLOLOLOLOL

Point 17 Another thing I don't hate conceptually, but you have to really do right to pull off and I don't have faith.

Point 18/19 If they are even trying to fucking make Bombadil a "reformed" Melkor then they truly should never be allowed to adapt anything ever again, because they will have proven they are incompetent fuck wits.

Point 20 Again a bit late on that with the Elven rings made (and presumably the dwarven rings get made when Sauron goes there).

Over all just continues to confirm Amazon is pretty shit at adaptations, and that while Rafe of Time is a contender, this show is the crown jewel of utter shit.

[rhorle]

Point 14 So Sauron has a kid now? FUCKING LOL fanfic trash

To be fair Tolkien did essentially state (In the Osanwe-kenta and with Melian) that Ainur could conceive and be bound to a form. It would be a small change to have Sauron bound to Halbrand's form because of having a child rather then having the fluid powers of shape shifting. Just like the wizards for example became incarnate for their missions.

It is interesting though how desperate some of you are to hate that you are taking rumors as confirmed information just so you can continue to hate.

[Ihavewaffles]

is there a 2nd season coming? Didn't Amazon fire a ton of people?

[rhorle]

is there a 2nd season coming? Didn't Amazon fire a ton of people?

Season 2 started production around October 2022. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...ng-1235231978/

The most recent layoffs for Prime Studios had the bulk come from Twitch. It really isn't anything out of the ordinary and not something that would send red flags about Rings of Power. A lot of tech-related companies have reduced their workforce as well. https://www.reuters.com/technology/a...on-2024-01-10/

[rhorle]

https://twitter.com/theringsofpower/...13705461350892

Trailer comes out tomorrow likely during Amazon Upfront which starts at 930am edt.

[Ihavewaffles]

Somehow Sauron has returned

[Orby]

groan...

While the show had some stuff I liked (Elrond/Durin/Disa) Every other part of this show was a trainwreck of just dull.

So I am conflicted if I really think its worth continuing to watch. Like Wheels of Time I never bothered with Season 2, cos I felt if I did I would be hate watching. With that said I hated Wheels of Time far more than Rings of Power but they follow a very similar frustration on how I enjoy them :P

so maybe I'll watch maybe I wont. I am not going to make time out of my day to try.

I did enjoy the episode reviews I did on this thread for season 1 though.

[Varodoc]

Out of all the crimes of this show, the most terrible one was not copying Shadows of Mordor and giving us Hot Sauron, exactly as he looked and behaved in the videogame series.





Oh? Will they finally gave us Hot Sauron/Annatar? It only took 1 season and over 2 years.

[Syegfryed]

Halbrand: *puts a wig*

Galadriel and elves: omg, who is this guy?


What a fucking clusterfuck, this seems even more like another generic fantasy show, with a different story, that they had to change the character names to lord of the rings names, so this shit could sell

[Ihavewaffles]

"He worms his way inside your mind and the rest of him slithers in"

wow such poetry...the youtube comments make better lines than these 'writers'...

Halbrand: *puts a wig*

Galadriel and elves: omg, who is this guy?

"You have my Sword"
"And you have my bow"
"AND MY WIG!!"

[Doomchicken]

You know this is going to be absolute garbage when even the shills can't be bothered defending this.

[Syegfryed]

You know this is going to be absolute garbage when even the shills can't be bothered defending this.

Be not afraid, the council will come in due time, they just need to create a new approach for this