Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

You said it makes sense and this might be the reason why the show is terrible. I do live in a different world then you, reality.

Saying it makes sense for the show to be shit, because it rip of a shit book, is somehow, defending the author of the shit book?


Literally told the plot is nonsensical, and you said im defending it, you do live in a different world.

[rhorle]

Saying it makes sense for the show to be shit, because it rip of a shit book, is somehow, defending the author of the shit book?

Yes. You've entertained that Amazon actually did rip the show off and have been arguing in favor of that being true in this discussion. You even said you don't know anything about it but still leaned towards Amazon doing it because of how terrible you think the show is. I'm not the one living in a different world here.

[Myradin]

While you could call me a 'hater' of the show, I doubt this guy's case has much merrit.

Actually funnily enough it seems they took his book off of amazon.

[Syegfryed]

Yes. You've entertained that Amazon actually did rip the show off and have been arguing in favor of that being true in this discussion. You even said you don't know anything about it but still leaned towards Amazon doing it because of how terrible you think the show is. I'm not the one living in a different world here.

You can't live in a world where you lost ana rgument right?

I literally say both are shit, i said it would make sense, nowhere im arguing in favor or defending something, stop lying, cause that is what you are doing, blatantly lying attacking an argument i enver made

You in toher hand are defending the show and amazon, like you have being doing for ever.

[rhorle]

You in toher hand are defending the show and amazon, like you have being doing for ever.

If it makes sense that Amazon stole someone else's work then you are defending that idea. You are giving it weight solely because of your hate of the show. Also I don't see why standing up to people's silly hate is a bad thing like you imply. There are a lot of things people say about the show that are not valid and deserve to be called out. You should be doing the same as well but it is always "Have to hate" or your not on the same side. It's not like I've ever said Amazon doesn't have fault.

[SpaghettiMonk]

https://www.theringer.com/tv/2023/4/...richard-madden

Even the Ringer is finally starting to admit there might be a huge problem here. I love the Ringer but I think they got a little too cozy with Amazon in an attempt to profit off RoP the way they did on GoT, so their coverage has been nauseatingly one sided while also mixed in with the occasional interview with the showrunners. Their GoT coverage used to be refreshingly honest and was very negative when the show got bad, but with RoP they seem to have decided to be Amazon’s mouthpiece.

They’re finally starting to admit what is obvious - that lukewarm reviews from critics who don’t recognize how the lore was butchered don’t matter, because a lot of fans absolutely hated it.

[rhorle]

Even the Ringer is finally starting to admit there might be a huge problem here.

You are aware they are talking about Citadel and not Rings of Power, right? This really shows how people are reaching to keep that hate going lol.

[AtomR]

It doesn't need to be in the same time period to rip-off, rings of power fucks all over the place the timeline as well

There isn't a case of "gaining support from haters" they need to prove if it was stolen or not

Imagine "stealing" an established universe, publish an unauthorized book set in that universe, and then complain the owners of the universe stole it from them.

[Rennadrel]

Oh dear, some guy wrote a fanfic 'sequel' to LotR, unauthorised of course, published it on Amazon - and now is suing Amazon and the Tolkien estate, claiming they plagiarised his 'copyrighted' work in RoP.

https://radaronline.com/p/jeff-bezos...amazon-series/

Someone is about to get wrecked.

Considering this dipshit does not own the rights to anything in LOTR and interpretive works does not give you access to copyright protections if the work is interpreted from someone else's creation, he's gonna get crushed in a lawsuit. Amazon doesn't own the rights to anything LOTR either, they are merely licensing segments of the content, so they don't really have a case against the guy because they aren't the rights owners, but the Tolkien estate does.

[s_bushido]

They’re finally starting to admit what is obvious - that lukewarm reviews from critics who don’t recognize how the lore was butchered don’t matter, because a lot of fans absolutely hated it.

That article says literally nothing about the lore of RoP. Because spoiler alert: "the lore" doesn't mean shit when it comes to the success or failure of a script. People wouldn't forgive bad performances and poor pacing just because it got the lore right...and it wouldn't matter how much a production "butchered" the source material if the end product was itself very good anyway. Fucking obviously.

[Biomega]

Fucking obviously.

You SAY that... and yet there's like 50 pages in this thread somewhere of people arguing the exact opposite, as if accuracy to the lore was somehow a sacred formula that would make all things better automatically and without question.

[s_bushido]

You SAY that... and yet there's like 50 pages in this thread somewhere of people arguing the exact opposite, as if accuracy to the lore was somehow a sacred formula that would make all things better automatically and without question.

I know. Why do you think I haven't bothered with this shitshow of a thread (that's somehow still regularly bumped) for months.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Lots of cool guys here posting about how they’re too cool to post in this thread.

[callipygoustp]

Did I mention that I thought the show sucked?

This guy is still spot on!

[Fabinas]

You SAY that... and yet there's like 50 pages in this thread somewhere of people arguing the exact opposite, as if accuracy to the lore was somehow a sacred formula that would make all things better automatically and without question.

Well, that's not accurate. Most people grinded the show for lore butchering, along with subpar direction, pretentious scenario, mediocre or bad performances and poor casting (not talking about the race stuff).

Noone claimed that if it was "lore accurate" this would have been a good show. At any rate, that lore butchering was about misrepresenting characters and their position in the world, the "mithrilgate", plus the condensing of the timeline and the AWFUL ring crafting circumstances.

[Syegfryed]

Imagine "stealing" an established universe, publish an unauthorized book set in that universe, and then complain the owners of the universe stole it from them.

Its morse worse if the owners did in fact steal it

its like robbing a rober, but in this case, you are so fucking bad that you are stealing bad fanfic

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Lots of cool guys here posting about how they’re too cool to post in this thread.

The "im so much better than y'all" syndrome, that have the people who suffer from this constantly have the need to remind others of that, while complaining about complainers, is such a sight.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Well, that's not accurate. Most people grinded the show for lore butchering, along with subpar direction, pretentious scenario, mediocre or bad performances and poor casting (not talking about the race stuff).

Noone claimed that if it was "lore accurate" this would have been a good show. At any rate, that lore butchering was about misrepresenting characters and their position in the world, the "mithrilgate", plus the condensing of the timeline and the AWFUL ring crafting circumstances.

Right. I mean on some level it has to look something like what people expect out of the ip. It doesn’t have to be perfect, but it should somewhat match expectations of customers. This thing didn’t at all.

In addition to the big deals like mithril, it was small things like horribly miscasting Gil-Galad and Celebrimbor, having two dwarves names Durin, just like really small obvious self-owns all over the series.

And while it’s obvious that you need more than book readers to be successful, it doesn’t follow that you can therefore just ignore book readers. The whole thing is just mind boggling.

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The "im so much better than y'all" syndrome, that have the people who suffer from this constantly have the need to remind others of that, while complaining about complainers, is such a sight.

Oh and haha - check out my new sig!

[rhorle]

And while it’s obvious that you need more than book readers to be successful, it doesn’t follow that you can therefore just ignore book readers. The whole thing is just mind boggling.

Doesn't the success of Lord of the Rings media prove that otherwise? Pretty much all Lord of the Rings works ignores the books when they feel like it including Peter Jackson. Shadow of Mordor and its sequel ignore the books. Lord of the Rings online ignores the books when needed including creating their own "lore". Faithfulness isn't as important as you are making it out to be and is just the latest attempt at moving the goal posts in the ever shifting ways to lambast the show.

[Forogil]

In addition to the big deals like mithril, it was small things like horribly miscasting Gil-Galad and Celebrimbor, having two dwarves names Durin, just like really small obvious self-owns all over the series.

Multiple dwarves named Durin is according to the LOTR (although confusing), but since they are sometimes seen as Durin I reborn they should be almost identical (which would make it comically confusing) and also makes it unlikely that they are alive at the same time.

(And I haven't seen this series, since I only had Amazon a short time earlier to watch Good Omens - and 1984; both highly recommended.)

[SpaghettiMonk]

Multiple dwarves named Durin is according to the LOTR (although confusing), but since they are sometimes seen as Durin I reborn they should be almost identical (which would make it comically confusing) and also makes it unlikely that they are alive at the same time.

(And I haven't seen this series, since I only had Amazon a short time earlier to watch Good Omens - and 1984; both highly recommended.)

I don't understand what you're saying here. The idea behind dwarves being named Durin is, as you said, they are supposed to represent Durin reborn, so having the king named Durin and his son also named Durin, as if they are both reincarnations alive at the same time, is lol.