Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Adamas102]

Rhorle still being Rhorle.

I swear this thread would be buried if not for the overly defensive antics.

I'm sure the perpetually insufferable "critics" would find any excuse to dig it back up. Oh look, there they are complaining about Bombadil's blue clothes not being bright enough and now the entire character is ruined .

[Triceron]

I'm sure the perpetually insufferable "critics" would find any excuse to dig it back up. Oh look, there they are complaining about Bombadil's blue clothes not being bright enough and now the entire character is ruined .

Said the overly defensive white knight who thinks the adaptation is perfectly fine and so should everyone else

[s_bushido]

lol...

"The blue's not bright enough! Character ruined!!!"

Absolutely pathetic. Go back to whining about being forced to see black people.

[bledgor]

Amazon changes the 4,191,121 thing from Tolkien's books "look at these bored biggots, pointing out blue clothes!"

No we are just pointing out another change in a long, LONG, list of changes to the source material, including the adding of Tom (which, yes does include his attire) into a story he wasn't before. Also since literally every character has been massively changed from the source their is no reason to doubt Tom will be changed too (which is ignoring the fact that including him is really bad, as even some of you have admitted the key to Tom was the mystery of him, every bit you include him will take away from that).

The big problem with prequels is that you risk fucking everything that came after (that people loved so much you wanted to create a prequel about).

It honestly baffles me how much defense this show gets, it was MID in the most generous of reviews, and that is if you ignore the literally insane budget of over half a million dollars per a season (it was what 68 million an episode? We could have gotten SIX godzilla zeros with that budget).

[rhorle]

It honestly baffles me how much defense this show gets, it was MID in the most generous of reviews, and that is if you ignore the literally insane budget of over half a million dollars per a season (it was what 68 million an episode? We could have gotten SIX godzilla zeros with that budget).

The thing is people aren't defending the show. They just don't hate it. The hate you and others keep pushing has moved the "center" of the scale you are using. You could have filled these 2 years with stuff you like but instead you keep coming back to something you don't like and will never like.

[rogoth]

The thing is people aren't defending the show. They just don't hate it. The hate you and others keep pushing has moved the "center" of the scale you are using. You could have filled these 2 years with stuff you like but instead you keep coming back to something you don't like and will never like.

I haven't posted in this thread for over 2 years now, and this is my first post back in it, just to point out that because of your defence of this indefensible bullshit, you can't see the irony of your statement here, for millions of us fans of the source material, there is NOTHING we like about this terrible and badly written fan fiction, meaning all that's left is to criticise every single aspect of the shit they got wrong, which is almost the entire summation of the project.

the fact that you still don't get this point after all these years now boggles my mind, you Adamas and the rest are still here pushing this moronic defence and still can't grasp this simple concept.

as to adding tom bombadill to this cesspit of a project, his entire appearance is very well described in the source material, it's borderline impossible to screw up his wardrobe, and yet here we stand, these hacks managed the impossible, they fucked it up, but again we get the usual retorts of 'you're a fascist for saying anything bad about this show' or whatever the buzzword of the day is to try and demonize those criticising this objectively awful project.

[rhorle]

the fact that you still don't get this point after all these years now boggles my mind, you Adamas and the rest are still here pushing this moronic defence and still can't grasp this simple concept.

It is baffling because you don't see how far into hate you have descended and are letting it consume your entire personality in this thread. It isn't that we don't understand what you are trying to say but that we don't hate as you do.

[rogoth]

It is baffling because you don't see how far into hate you have descended and are letting it consume your entire personality in this thread. It isn't that we don't understand what you are trying to say but that we don't hate as you do.

and nobody has any issues with that, the part people take issue with is that you have previously as well as others tried to use the same moronic reasoning to defend this shitshow telling people that it's a good show when it's been objectively proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that it's not, it's not a good stand-alone show, it's not a good franchise based show, and it can't even hold a majority viewership because of how bad it turned out to be, all things I and many others said would happen before they even started their textbook woke fan bashing ad campaign for that first season, and everything that critics stated at the time came to pass and then some, but just to reiterate, nobody cares if people like this shit, it's just indicative they have a very low tolerance for the kind of disgusting and horrible media they will consume without questioning it, the point that fans take issue is when those people then try to twist the narrative that it's a good show and that people should like it regardless of the myriad faults it has.

[BigToast]

Hmmm...no surprise here; The Rings Of Power Has Already Botched 1 Iconic Part Of Tolkien's Tom Bombadil

You all are missing the point. Characters in these stories wear the same thing for their entire lives. Don't you remember how Han Solo was wearing the same outfit in The Force Awakens? That wasn't embarrassing at all...

[rhorle]

and nobody has any issues with that

The rest of your post indicates that is a lie. Rings of Power is not objectively a bad show. That alone shows you are not being objective because there are truly awful shows out there. Rings of Power had a 37% (domestic) and 45%(international) completion rate. Arcane, a highly rated show, had a completion rate of 60%. If Rings of Power truly is as terrible as you claim then having a completion rate 15% to 23% below a 9.3/10 show is good, right?

If people didn't care that others like the show then they wouldn't keep coming here to tell those who like the show how wrong or problematic they are.

[panda040]

pretty funny seeing this show flop, knew it would

[rogoth]

The rest of your post indicates that is a lie. Rings of Power is not objectively a bad show. That alone shows you are not being objective because there are truly awful shows out there. Rings of Power had a 37% (domestic) and 45%(international) completion rate. Arcane, a highly rated show, had a completion rate of 60%. If Rings of Power truly is as terrible as you claim then having a completion rate 15% to 23% below a 9.3/10 show is good, right?

If people didn't care that others like the show then they wouldn't keep coming here to tell those who like the show how wrong or problematic they are.

the industry average for a 'good' show is ~55% viewership retention, the reason Arcane was as good as it was, is that it doesn't have a written-in-stone source material it had to stick to, the creators of the show had a very wide scope for things they could make this story about, so there's one glaring difference for starters, not to mention that it's based on a totally different medium, but then why am I surprised that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and expecting things to make sense, it's all you have done in this thread, it's a disingenuous argument at best and you know it, then you have the sheer fucking audacity to ask why a show with a 60% audience completion rate is considered good, but a show that lost more viewers than finished the show is considered bad? the answer upon watching even an ounce of the latter should be obvious in the extreme and yet you keep circle-jerking the same asinine questions ad nauseum.

by every available measurable metric the rings of power was a bad show, this is an irrefutable fact, no amount of 'but you hurt my feelings' bullshit is gonna change that, pretty much every single thing that was criticised prior to the start of the ad campaign for that first season came to pass, nothing was a surprise, and it was as bad as expected, and once the hush money that was paid to the mainstream media outlets ran dry, they actually started posting what they were paid NOT TO POST prior, it's actually pathetic that it took that long for them to stop posting fluff pieces but that's then.

and once again, fans don't care if someone actually likes this shitshow, the issue is when people try to use it as a rod to beat people with claiming it's something that it's not, I don't see how you keep failing to understand this point despite being told in dozens of simple ways even a toddler could understand.

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pretty funny seeing this show flop, knew it would

I genuinely can't wait to see what new memes will be provided from season 2 of 'how to Launder Money bastardising a beloved franchise'.

[Veggie50]

the industry average for a 'good' show is ~55% viewership retention, the reason Arcane was as good as it was, is that it doesn't have a written-in-stone source material it had to stick to, the creators of the show had a very wide scope for things they could make this story about, so there's one glaring difference for starters, not to mention that it's based on a totally different medium, but then why am I surprised that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and expecting things to make sense, it's all you have done in this thread, it's a disingenuous argument at best and you know it, then you have the sheer fucking audacity to ask why a show with a 60% audience completion rate is considered good, but a show that lost more viewers than finished the show is considered bad? the answer upon watching even an ounce of the latter should be obvious in the extreme and yet you keep circle-jerking the same asinine questions ad nauseum.

by every available measurable metric the rings of power was a bad show, this is an irrefutable fact, no amount of 'but you hurt my feelings' bullshit is gonna change that, pretty much every single thing that was criticised prior to the start of the ad campaign for that first season came to pass, nothing was a surprise, and it was as bad as expected, and once the hush money that was paid to the mainstream media outlets ran dry, they actually started posting what they were paid NOT TO POST prior, it's actually pathetic that it took that long for them to stop posting fluff pieces but that's then.

and once again, fans don't care if someone actually likes this shitshow, the issue is when people try to use it as a rod to beat people with claiming it's something that it's not, I don't see how you keep failing to understand this point despite being told in dozens of simple ways even a toddler could understand.

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I genuinely can't wait to see what new memes will be provided from season 2 of 'how to Launder Money bastardising a beloved franchise'.

You’re playing jumprope with the question “does viewer retention equate to show quality”.

For RoP: “like obviously, it’s at 55%+ that somethings starting to be good” but then for Arcane “how dare you say arcane isn’t a masterpiece if it only got slightly above that 55% line”.

I mean, to each their own opinion, RoP is faaaaar from perfect, Rorle does not deserve the scorn you’re throwing down here.

[rhorle]

it's a disingenuous argument at best and you know it, then you have the sheer fucking audacity to ask why a show with a 60% audience completion rate is considered good, but a show that lost more viewers than finished the show is considered bad? the answer upon watching even an ounce of the latter should be obvious in the extreme and yet you keep circle-jerking the same asinine questions ad nauseum.

The only circle jerking is coming from yourself. You brought up completion and I provided context for Rings of Power numbers. Shows often don't have high completion rates. Rings of Power also started gaining viewers again in the final few episodes. We've been over this many many times. You, and others, always circle back around to the same things to complain about because that is all you have.

You have to keep rehashing things because you can't let go. You can't move on. You live in the past because you need fuel for all of that hate. It is not an irrefutable fact that Rings of Power was a bad show by every measurable metric. The only one with hurt feelings BS is yourself here for even making a statement like that and expecting to be taken seriously.

[bledgor]

RoP, a show based on one of the most beloved Franchises, with the largest budget for a tv show (and x2 as big as the biggest movies) had a measly 37% retention rate, that isn't good, that isn't okay, that isn't even bad, it is horrible.

[rhorle]

RoP, a show based on one of the most beloved Franchises, with the largest budget for a tv show (and x2 as big as the biggest movies) had a measly 37% retention rate, that isn't good, that isn't okay, that isn't even bad, it is horrible.

It did not have two times the budget of the biggest movies. Star Wars Episode 7 was $447 million, Episode 9 was $416 million, and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom was $432 million. Rings of Power Season 1 has a reported budget of $465 million. The problem isn't that some of your criticize the show but the how you go about it. Lying about the budget is silly.

And no including the cost to buy the rights is not part of the budget of the show.

[Veggie50]

In actual discussion; I am curious what their ideas about Tom Bombadil are. He's (imo) the biggest enigma in the bloody books, without any reasonable answer as to who or what he is. I hope the show does not try answering that question.

[rogoth]

You’re playing jumprope with the question “does viewer retention equate to show quality”.

For RoP: “like obviously, it’s at 55%+ that somethings starting to be good” but then for Arcane “how dare you say arcane isn’t a masterpiece if it only got slightly above that 55% line”.

I mean, to each their own opinion, RoP is faaaaar from perfect, Rorle does not deserve the scorn you’re throwing down here.

I'm doing nothing of the sort, I'm stating quite clearly that his asinine comparisons have zero merits, and just for the record, this has been going on since this thread began, I dunno if this is something you have been in for a while, but he and a few other well known white knights have been defending this utterly disgusting attempt at fan fiction since it was first announced, it started out with the usual 'you're racist for calling out characters that quite literally have no place in the source material and are shoehorned into this project for box-ticking purposes but you're being racist', then it became a torrent of 'well Tolkien wrote a single paragraph in a letter about this topic so therefore it's canon, you can't refute it' despite it not being in ANY of the actual written works.

that's how about 200 pages went of fans of the source material calling out the terrible inaccuracies of this project and at every turn being told we were bigots/racists/fascists 'insert any other ist/ism here', and then when that failed they started trying to twist things to their narrative and after 2 years of not even looking at this thread, he's still doing it, so I feel like I'm perfectly justified in calling out stupidity when I see it.

as an aside, rings of power couldn't even manage an industry recognised 'ok' level of viewer retention, by all media metrics this project has failed, that's not me saying it's failed, that's the entire industry they are accountable to saying it's failed by the metrics used to measure such things.

the way I measure if a show/movie is a success or not isn't based on this, I measure how successful something is by how many people I can talk to about it before someone says they didn't like it, and in this case of this absolute disgrace of a production, that didn't even reach 1.

not a single person I know personally was able to bring themselves to finish that dross of a first season, and it's of very little surprise to me that it flopped.

also, stop trying to put words in my mouth, I never once said Arcane is a 'masterpiece', I stated that it was a very good show because the story made sense, the characters worked together, and with it being animated it could do things no live action piece could even dream of doing, LOTR has a very set in stone story, and the fact these showrunners fucked it up so badly speaks volumes to their creative bankruptcy and hubris that they thought they could make what is literally the blueprint for all deep fantasy 'better', and what we got was this steaming pile of shite.

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It did not have two times the budget of the biggest movies. Star Wars Episode 7 was $447 million, Episode 9 was $416 million, and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom was $432 million. Rings of Power Season 1 has a reported budget of $465 million. The problem isn't that some of your criticize the show but the how you go about it. Lying about the budget is silly.

And no including the cost to buy the rights is not part of the budget of the show.

without the fucking rights, there is no fucking show, ergo, they are the FOUNDATION of the cost of this project, which, in totality has more than double the budget of even the most expensive movies in existence today, once again you're making an entirely disingenuous argument filled with 'well technically if you only look at season 1 it's actually less than that' strawman bullshit, Amazon paid for an entire project of multiple seasons, that's the total cost of the project, trying to be funny with semantics while your entire MO in this thread, is not and will never be factually accurate. but keep trying, I'm sure it might change eventually if you believe in it hard enough.

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In actual discussion; I am curious what their ideas about Tom Bombadil are. He's (imo) the biggest enigma in the bloody books, without any reasonable answer as to who or what he is. I hope the show does not try answering that question.

he is the Tolkienian version of 'mother nature' and is designed exclusively to be here there and everywhere while being nowhere and nobody at the same time.

he's already dead on arrival because of the childish writing exhibited in that first season, his dialogue is beyond all these hack writers skill COMBINED, it's a pure mark of hubris that they think they can even do the character justice nevermind being shoehorned into this cesspit of a project.

[rhorle]

without the fucking rights, there is no fucking show

Amazon had to pay for the rights even if they didn't make a show. The budget for Season 1 is not the same as rights. If that were the case then any Star Wars TV show or film will have a budget in excess of $4 billion because that is what Disney paid to acquire Star Wars. Even if you include the rights in the budget for season 1 it still isn't 2x.

Either way the person was wrong but instead of allowing for someone who dislikes the show to be wrong you rant and rave about how facts aren't factually accurate.

[Adamas102]

Said the overly defensive white knight who thinks the adaptation is perfectly fine and so should everyone else

Oh yeah, forgot you were also one of those insufferable shitposters.