Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Kathandira]

There will come a day when our forum members will realize that this Site is a room full of nerds, geeks, and dorks. Not typically the kind of folks with the best social skills. The key to sanity on this Site is not to engage with people who just want to argue. If one wants to simply talk about a show and what they enjoyed about it, they need to exhibit some self control and not reply to people who aim only to fight about insignificant nonsense.

Life Lesson: How to get an annoying person to go away? You simply do not speak to them.

Once they have no one to actually talk to, they leave.

[En Sabah Nur]

The key to sanity on this Site is not to engage with people who just want to argue.

And here lies the reason I simply haven't bothered to talk about S2 of this. Or really anything in this sub-forum, honestly. People here will try their hardest to drag you down into their pit of shit just to argue on a tiny little forum that dies more each day. There is simply no reason to try and have reasonable discussion on this site. The fact its "full of nerds, geeks, and dorks" is largely the problem. You get all the negatives that come with such labels concentrated in such a tiny space. Especially when you add the "gamer" label to all of that. Luckily, there are much bigger spaces available for discussion.

But also because this...

If one wants to simply talk about a show and what they enjoyed about it, they need to exhibit some self control and not reply to people who aim only to fight about insignificant nonsense.

… is putting the blame on anyone that enjoys something. Its their fault for daring to reply back to someone that sought to attack their enjoyment? I don't think so.

You can ignore people all you like, doesn't stop them replying to you, attacking you for daring to like something they don't. No matter how much they say they don't care if you liked something, they'll still make damn sure you know why they don't. Whether they've actually even watched it or not. How about these people respect opinions and actually let people like things without having to tell them they shouldn't because there is "character assassination" going on, or how they "destroyed" Tolkien because they adapted it for "modern audiences"? A phrase we all know has a very specific meaning, but helps them say it without getting infracted.

Imagine a world where people simply moved on from the things they don't like and found things they do like... it'd be bliss.

[Wilian]

Adapting the whole book is insane, but Tokien always saw the Silmarillion has 4 main stories, The story of Beren and Luthien, the story of Tuor and the fall of Gondolin, the story of the sons of Hurin, and the story of Earendil.

Any of these 4 main stories have small versions on the Silmarillion and larger versions, Cristopher Tolkien finished at least 2 of these stories, the story of Tuor and the fall of Gondolin and the story of the sons of Hurin. At least these 2 are easely adaptable to the screen.

Silmarillion could work as anthology serie with reccuring characters over episodes when it makes sense and multiparters for the more fleshed out story arcs.

[Biomega]

Silmarillion could work as anthology serie with reccuring characters over episodes when it makes sense and multiparters for the more fleshed out story arcs.

It doesn't even have to be some kind of special format. While yes The Silmarillion is quite segmented, there is a lot of overlap as well - the titular Silmaril for example keep showing up in various stories. They're a key part of the story of Beren and Luthien and of the story of Eärendil as well, for example. As well as others. Not to mention that Morgoth remains an overarching villain for most of it, too. So it's not like there's no thread running through things, and given the immortality of elves it's not even the case that you need to change all the characters as the story moves over thousands of years.

This could totally be adapted in a more "conventional" format with very few changes. People tend to overstate the difficulty of adapting books like this - it's not that hard. In fact it's usually easier to adapt things that move at a big level, with large narratives that summarize a lot, than it is to adapt books that move at a very small level, with lots of single-character focused inner monologue and so on. Those tend to be the tricky ones, because there's not a lot to work with for the big screen.

[ringpriest]

Same, even being a great Tolkien fan i have zero opinion on the show because i haven't watched it yet, but i'm reading the coments.

I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan. I watched the first season, liked some of the music. I and not and will not be watching the second season (though I am listening to the season 2 soundtrack).

[Kathandira]

And here lies the reason I simply haven't bothered to talk about S2 of this. Or really anything in this sub-forum, honestly. People here will try their hardest to drag you down into their pit of shit just to argue on a tiny little forum that dies more each day. There is simply no reason to try and have reasonable discussion on this site. The fact its "full of nerds, geeks, and dorks" is largely the problem. You get all the negatives that come with such labels concentrated in such a tiny space. Especially when you add the "gamer" label to all of that. Luckily, there are much bigger spaces available for discussion.

But also because this...

… is putting the blame on anyone that enjoys something. Its their fault for daring to reply back to someone that sought to attack their enjoyment? I don't think so.

You can ignore people all you like, doesn't stop them replying to you, attacking you for daring to like something they don't. No matter how much they say they don't care if you liked something, they'll still make damn sure you know why they don't. Whether they've actually even watched it or not. How about these people respect opinions and actually let people like things without having to tell them they shouldn't because there is "character assassination" going on, or how they "destroyed" Tolkien because they adapted it for "modern audiences"? A phrase we all know has a very specific meaning, but helps them say it without getting infracted.

Imagine a world where people simply moved on from the things they don't like and found things they do like... it'd be bliss.

I hear you, and understand that the onus really doesn't deserve to be placed on the poster. My comment is moresoe pointed at the veterans on this site. Those who should know better by now. A new member will learn to bear the fire and flames on this site on their accord.

[Cherry123]

And so I couldn't watch it in full. God, this is the most bland and boring series I've ever seen in my life. The packing of the series made me fall asleep several times, this is the first series where nothing happened on screen for more than an hour, slow lifeless conversations. Even in the nightmare of my childhood, the series Muñeca Brava, which my sister and mother forced me to watch, there is more action and drama than here.

[Tuor]

I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan. I watched the first season, liked some of the music. I and not and will not be watching the second season (though I am listening to the season 2 soundtrack).

That bad? Hopefully i don't have amazon streaming service. And i'm not planing on subsciving just for a show.

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Silmarillion could work as anthology serie with reccuring characters over episodes when it makes sense and multiparters for the more fleshed out story arcs.

Sadly no one has the movie or TV rights for an adaptation to the screen, i hope this changes.

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This could totally be adapted in a more "conventional" format with very few changes. People tend to overstate the difficulty of adapting books like this - it's not that hard. In fact it's usually easier to adapt things that move at a big level, with large narratives that summarize a lot, than it is to adapt books that move at a very small level, with lots of single-character focused inner monologue and so on. Those tend to be the tricky ones, because there's not a lot to work with for the big screen.

The dificulty of adapting the Silmarillion is on how condensed the story is, i don't see them making a movie of it, perhaps a series, but not a movie.

[Biomega]

The dificulty of adapting the Silmarillion is on how condensed the story is, i don't see them making a movie of it, perhaps a series, but not a movie.

Sure, I suppose that makes sense. But it's not impossible to make a movie out of it. You'd have to get creative and it wouldn't cover everything, but it could be done and it wouldn't even be particularly difficult. Even easier if it's multiple movies. It's not like LotR was a single movie, either. A Silmarillion trilogy? Fairly comfortable project. Probably not a great financial project, but creatively? No problem.

[Triceron]

I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan. I watched the first season, liked some of the music. I and not and will not be watching the second season (though I am listening to the season 2 soundtrack).

I didn't think about listening to the OST, but I did come across the Tom Bombadil song in the ending credits of one ep, and it's actually really good. I'll check out the rest of the OST.

[Syegfryed]

That bad? Hopefully i don't have amazon streaming service. And i'm not planing on subsciving just for a show.

Anything you heard that is bad, its actually much worse, if you don't straight up turn your brain off to watch you will be constantly hammered with shit

First season was genuinely CW levels of nonsense and plotholes, like when 300 horses and 300 men together with resources fit in three small ships and how they ride for a day and arrived at the place they already said they would get in three, and i think it would take even more considering the maps.

This is alsos omething the show doesn't care about, since characters basically teleport where they need to go.

I recoomend watching Season 1 at least, just for the hell of it, with the intention of going to see a comedy, because if you do, you will get some good laughs as how stupid Guyladriel is, how the hobbits are deranged lunatics who not just abandon their people to die, but also can sabotage then, for the same goal, all of this after singing how they don't leave people behind. If that shit isn't satire i don't know what it is.

Sadly no one has the movie or TV rights for an adaptation to the screen, i hope this changes.

Nope, lets prey to god this never happens, if they did this shit with only the appendices, i can't think how worse it would be with the full book.

[Tuor]

Nope, lets prey to god this never happens, if they did this shit with only the appendices, i can't think how worse it would be with the full book.

I think the full adaptation of the Silmarillion might not generate much interest to the general public, but the 4 main stories might, and they all have long versitions besides the shorter ones that come on the silmarillion.

[Ophenia]

This is alsos omething the show doesn't care about, since characters basically teleport where they need to go.

I recoomend watching Season 1 at least, just for the hell of it, with the intention of going to see a comedy, because if you do, you will get some good laughs as how stupid Guyladriel is, how the hobbits are deranged lunatics who not just abandon their people to die, but also can sabotage then, for the same goal, all of this after singing how they don't leave people behind. If that shit isn't satire i don't know what it is.

Haha yeah the Harfoot always bothered me with that nonsense. We leave no one behind ! Until someone is behind, then we can abandon them because fuck'em. They even make the list of the other hobbits they've abandoned along the way in one episode, like wtf. We don't abandon anyone, but let's remember the hundreds of guys who couldn't follow us and who are probably dead now

The best teleport example I've ever seen in any media was when Adar took the key in S01 and fled on a horse, followed by Galadriel... And he's stopped by Halbrand coming from the other direction. Halbrand who happened to be just behind Galadriel when they left. Like where tf do you come from bro ?

[rhorle]

Haha yeah the Harfoot always bothered me with that nonsense. We leave no one behind ! Until someone is behind, then we can abandon them because fuck'em. They even make the list of the other hobbits they've abandoned along the way in one episode, like wtf. We don't abandon anyone, but let's remember the hundreds of guys who couldn't follow us and who are probably dead now

"No man left behind" is a common military phrase. It originates from the Roman Legions if not earlier. Yet they still left people behind when they had to. It implies the Harfoots help until they can't or it endangers the group.

[Ophenia]

"No man left behind" is a common military phrase. It originates from the Roman Legions if not earlier. Yet they still left people behind when they had to. It implies the Harfoots help until they can't or it endangers the group.

In practice it didn't mean shit in S01. The rest of the tribe basically left the injured ones behind on purpose, then didn't even try to wait a single second, despite not being in any sort of danger at any time. They just put them at the back and told them "good luck heh" then did their procession normally

[rhorle]

In practice it didn't mean shit in S01. The rest of the tribe basically left the injured ones behind on purpose, then didn't even try to wait a single second, despite not being in any sort of danger at any time. They just put them at the back and told them "good luck heh" then did their procession normally

They didn't just put them at the back. Nori broke the law. There is an implied history of "issues". An exception was made to give them some mercy. We don't know how often that happens or if Harfoots are normally super strict. Take their wheels and leave them seems to be the capital punishment in their society.

https://traditionsofconflict.substac...arfoots-in-the

That link gives a "academic" take on Harfoots with some real world examples of nomadic cultures .

[BeepBoo]

I dont need to prove anything about the show, facts have already proven the show is good otherwise it wouldnt be rated the same as house of the dragon, opinions are irrelevant, i am not expressing my own opinion, the information available already states the show is as good or slightly better than house of the dragon.

Do you know what an appeal to the masses is? That inherently means anything derived the way you are CANNOT BE fact. It can't even be a good argument. At best, you're left saying "this data shows the show has more viewers" which means... precisely nothing.

[rhorle]

Do you know what an appeal to the masses is? That inherently means anything derived the way you are CANNOT BE fact. It can't even be a good argument. At best, you're left saying "this data shows the show has more viewers" which means... precisely nothing.

Comparing scores from critics is not a poor argument. On RT RoP has a 83% and HotD has an 86%. It can point out hypocrisy if one show is good or "fine" while the other is seen as bad. Of course audience scores differ but those often have lower value because of the inherent bias of review bombs and hate is a greater motivator.

[rogoth]

Comparing scores from critics is not a poor argument. On RT RoP has a 83% and HotD has an 86%. It can point out hypocrisy if one show is good or "fine" while the other is seen as bad. Of course audience scores differ but those often have lower value because of the inherent bias of review bombs and hate is a greater motivator.

every single 'critic' review that is giving positive reviews is a paid-for review, it was made evident from the first season that as soon as the payment stopped or the paid-for period of good press was over, the publications slated the show for being the absolute shitshow that it is, that's point 1.

then there's the deletion of hundreds if not thousands of reviews from IMDB, an Amazon-owned site, where anything that reviews the show badly is deleted, or shadowbanned so it can't be shown on the front page of that particular show and you have to go looking for it, a company that's confident in its show and doesn't care about critics wouldn't go out of its way to silence and censor people who dislike it.

all of this doesn't even take into account the fact that the latest season can't even get positive mainstream media coverage at the moment, with the vast majority of positive paid-for press coming from sites and outlets that are far from mainstream and would in the past have been seen as just niche and low-level media.

that's the level this show is at in terms of media coverage, they never had ANY media relations with mainstream outlets that weren't paid for, and now are relying on niche 'fan sites' and the likes to white knight brigade for them, and I love how you disingenuously try to argue about review bombing from people who 'hate the show' when there were plenty of white knights also review bombing the reviews pages with 5* reviews using single line reviews such as 'i really liked it, looks good' or similar, if you're gonna try an argue people review bombed it, at least have the fucking decency to also portray the toxic positivity that exists from those who will literally gargle anything put in front of them that puts 'the message' on a pedestal.

[BeepBoo]

Comparing scores from critics is not a poor argument. On RT RoP has a 83% and HotD has an 86%. It can point out hypocrisy if one show is good or "fine" while the other is seen as bad. Of course audience scores differ but those often have lower value because of the inherent bias of review bombs and hate is a greater motivator.

If someone thinks something is ugly, they're entirely in the right and entitled to, no matter how many people disagree with them. That's how this works. All art is subjective in its ENTIRETY. Just because everyone else thinks something is good doesn't mean the person is wrong for thinking it's bad. It also doesn't make it a fact that it's good just because a majority feel it is.

I'm not about to get into this whole -you try to justify why you think something is objectively anything while the entire topic in-and-of-itself is subjective and you attempt to use a lot of poor form logical fallacies to justify why you think said subjective things can be "objectively" rated as "better"- again. All I'm saying on the matter with you is right here.